small list of things that i think should be shadow/lunar aligned

[lenship2]

shadow alignment:

mobs:

- beardlord (?)

- beardling (?)

- charlie (night monster)

- shadow splumonkey

- woven shadow

- retinazor

- spazmatism

- bernie (?)

- prickly stagehand

- acid infused batilisk

items:

- houndius shootius (placed)

- thulecite wall (placed)

- dreadstone wall (placed)

lunar alignment:

mobs:

- crustashine (?)

- moon moth

- mush gnome

items:

- moonrock wall (placed)

 

if any of these are actually aligned, or if you have feedback, pls let me know

[Sacco]

i don't think werepigs should be lunar aligned.

i know that pigs become werepigs when it's a full moon, but i just think this is something not correlated to the alignment, probably because you know, men have always talked about other men becoming werewolfs under a full moon because it's a full moon.

So i just think this is just the"werewolf" form for pigs.

If werepigs would be lunar aligned so nightmare werepig would be too, and that doesn't make any sense.

[grm9]

Item alignments aren't a thing, did you mean increasing their damage or absorption against lunar/shadow creatures? That seems to be exclusive to rift stuff and is mentioned in the code as a bonus specifically for the lunarplant (brightshade)/voidcloth (void/shadow reaper) bonus instead of an alignment bonus.

[Maxil20]

1 hour ago, lenship2 said:

- pick/axe

- houndius shootius (placed)

- thulecite wall (placed)

I slightly disagree on these 3 in particular. Most ruins items are made with both a combination of nightmare fuel and thulecite, which likely it what causes them to be shadow aligned. However, these 3 are special in that they don’t use nightmare fuel whatsoever in their recipes. Considering the archives show that thulecite was used in combination with moonrock, I would find it safe to say that thulecite is moreso used as a base material which doesn’t have an alignment, but just innately is used much more often with nightmare fuel because of how well it meshes, but is not required to be used in this way.

The houndius is a bit more tricky to justify because the guardian itself becomes shadow aligned during the fight and the houndius heavily relies on projectile magic, but since the horn it drops is “undamaged” and the guardian is not innately shadow aligned at the start of the fight (along with deerclops not being so whatsoever either), I could see it not having an alignment either. The walls and pick/axe also don’t really have anything special or “magic based” that would give them shadow alignment, it’s simply a tool and some walls.

[grm9]

6 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

pick/axe also don’t really have anything special or “magic based”

It boosts Maxwell's clones like other shadow items.

[Maxil20]

5 minutes ago, grm9 said:

It boosts Maxwell's clones like other shadow items.

Oh huh, I didn’t know that actually, so I guess that would make sense to be shadow aligned then. 

[lenship2]

31 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

Most ruins items are made with both a combination of nightmare fuel and thulecite, which likely it what causes them to be shadow aligned. However, these 3 are special in that they don’t use nightmare fuel whatsoever in their recipes.

a few of the character quotes for thulecite implies it naturally has nightmare fuel, so i thought that having all thulecite items having shadow alignment was fitting

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

Item alignments aren't a thing, did you mean increasing their damage or absorption against lunar/shadow creatures? That seems to be exclusive to rift stuff and is mentioned in the code as a bonus specifically for the lunarplant (brightshade)/voidcloth (void/shadow reaper) bonus instead of an alignment bonus.

ohh

are there any pre-rift items other than the glass cutter/axe that have alignment bonuses?

i think itd be thematically fitting to add the multipliers to existing 'aligned' items

[-Variant]

2 hours ago, lenship2 said:

- thulecite club

- thulecite crown

- thulecite armor

- pick/axe

Not sure about this. Thulecite is a conductor material, it conducts both Lunar and Shadow Magic, it's not tied to either one.

Maxwell can gain buffs from using it but I don't think that'd limit it to shadow stuff.
Also I'm not exactly sure what this means, either. Item alignments aren't a thing, unless you mean something else.

[Jakepeng99]

I dont agree on making items havr alignments.

 

Also to add to the list, power monkeys should be lunar aligned.

[lenship2]

12 minutes ago, -Variant said:

Also I'm not exactly sure what this means, either. Item alignments aren't a thing, unless you mean something else.

just a misunderstanding of how the damage bonuses from rift gears works 

[GelatinousCube]

7 hours ago, lenship2 said:

 

- glass cutter (technically aligned, but doesn't have any of the damage modifiers)

I thought glass cutter did more damage to shadows?

[-Variant]

1 minute ago, GelatinousCube said:

I thought glass cutter did more damage to shadows?

Takes less durability, nothing about damage though.

[GelatinousCube]

1 minute ago, -Variant said:

Takes less durability, nothing about damage though.

Damn seriously? Before brightshade sword I always used to use glass cutters against shadows when I could. 

Edit: knew about takes less durability but thought it did extra damage too.

[BalkanCockroach]

5 hours ago, -Variant said:

Not sure about this. Thulecite is a conductor material, it conducts both Lunar and Shadow Magic, it's not tied to either one.

Maxwell can gain buffs from using it but I don't think that'd limit it to shadow stuff.
Also I'm not exactly sure what this means, either. Item alignments aren't a thing, unless you mean something else.

"That captivating dark fuel is concentrated in these stones" -Wagstaff 

But maybe it is a conductor since the new spark ark is used by containing lunar energy. shame you can't craft moon infused thulecite club.

[Arcwell]

5 hours ago, lenship2 said:

are there any pre-rift items other than the glass cutter/axe that have alignment bonuses?

Currently the only example of this is dreadstone armor/helm, both of which give 10% shadow resist. Interestingly this does not stack to 25% with 2 pieces like the brightshade and void sets do. If you wear both pieces, you end up with 19% shadow resist because they're multiplicative.

Also: glass cutter and glass axe don't check for the shadow_aligned tag, they have a separate list of tags they pull from. These are: shadow (nightmare creatures and shadelings), shadowminion (Maxwell's minions), shadowchesspiece, stalker, stalkerminion (woven shadows), and shadowthrall (ink blights. For whatever reason glass axe doesn't count this tag but glass cutter does). For example, glass cutter will drain less durability when attacking a woven shadow, which isn't shadow_aligned, but will drain normal durability when attacking Nightmare Werepig, who is shadow_aligned.

[-Variant]

19 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

But maybe it is a conductor since the new spark ark is used by containing lunar energy. shame you can't craft moon infused thulecite club.

Yea! Check out all the Archives stuff, and the Ancient Murals. The white art depicted in them is Lunar energy, as seen with the Archives using Lunar and Thule, and the Tragic Torch consuming the Gestalts.

[lenship2]

1 hour ago, -Variant said:

Yea! Check out all the Archives stuff, and the Ancient Murals. The white art depicted in them is Lunar energy, as seen with the Archives using Lunar and Thule, and the Tragic Torch consuming the Gestalts.

just the mere fact that most of the archive statues drop moonstone instead of gems/fuel is really interesting!

[Dragonboooorn]

8 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Also to add to the list, power monkeys should be lunar aligned.

why though? Arent they from the other realm, and not affected by "Moons" power really?

Wagstaff made unstable portal from which sand start pulling and then monke themself arrived?

 

[Waoling]

13 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

I dont agree on making items havr alignments.

 

Also to add to the list, power monkeys should be lunar aligned.

Powder Monkey shouldn't be lunae aligned, they just come from a portal using lunar energy, but other than that, nothing about them is lunar like.

[Spino43]

6 hours ago, Dragonboooorn said:

why though? Arent they from the other realm, and not affected by "Moons" power really?

Wagstaff made unstable portal from which sand start pulling and then monke themself arrived?

 

Agreed. They don't seem to be related to the altar in any way. They aren't mutated/possessed by moon, they don't seem to worship the moon either, and no eqiupments/ items/ plants from them suggest they are using lunar magic either.

[Jakepeng99]

9 hours ago, Dragonboooorn said:

why though? Arent they from the other realm, and not affected by "Moons" power really?

Wagstaff made unstable portal from which sand start pulling and then monke themself arrived?

 

They are part of the moon-quay.

[Dextops]

1 hour ago, Jakepeng99 said:

They are part of the moon-quay.

Pretty sure “moon-quay” is nothing but a pun for monkey, they have almost no connection to the moon.

[BalkanCockroach]

13 minutes ago, Dextops said:

Pretty sure “moon-quay” is nothing but a pun for monkey, they have almost no connection to the moon.

They are blue.

10 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

They are blue.

Also since they are in the constant cause of Wagstaff and we see monke in Wagstaffs lab. Would it be too big of a stretch to say he experimented on the monkeys with moon stuff that turned them blue. I mean he yoinked the altars power he probably experimented with it too.

[Waoling]

1 hour ago, BalkanCockroach said:

They are blue.

Also since they are in the constant cause of Wagstaff and we see monke in Wagstaffs lab. Would it be too big of a stretch to say he experimented on the monkeys with moon stuff that turned them blue. I mean he yoinked the altars power he probably experimented with it too.

I say that too much of a stretch, it could just as likely for the monkey to be from another dimension, that isn't earth.

[BalkanCockroach]

7 minutes ago, Waoling said:

I say that too much of a stretch, it could just as likely for the monkey to be from another dimension, that isn't earth.

But Wagsussy made the portal and the portal was a failure as we can see from the explosion in the trailer. And wagstaff has only been in 2 dimensions earth and constant. (Don't say hamlet that's clearly in constant).