Eye of Terror/Twins of Terror is detrimental to numbers of the concurrent playerbase.

[Mike23Ua]

22 minutes ago, lenship2 said:

you can fuel the terrarium at any time unless its empty mike

didn’t they patch it so you had to first kill the EoT before you could place NM fuel into it & then wait till the little tree inside respawns to summon twins?

I know on Xbox at least that you couldn’t even get a button prompt to insert NM until you’ve first removed the tiny tree. And you had to be standing like right next to the dropped onto the ground terrarium to socket the fuel into it.

Note: I’ve never tried to socket it into it from my inventory.. only Dropped on Ground.

[_zwb]

18 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

didn’t they patch it so you had to first kill the EoT before you could place NM fuel into it & then wait till the little tree inside respawns to summon twins?

They patched being able to give fuel to terrarium without the tree, which would then cause it to enter crimson tree state. You don't need to kill regular version to summon twins

[Mysterious box]

The eye's spawning mechanic is fine sure it can be annoying when it doesn't spawn where you want it to but team coordination can fix that and it's not actually a threat to anyone who knows how to move lacking the common sense to run from a boss you don't think you can beat is not the game's fault it's the player's. The only change it could probably use assuming it still happens is that it shouldn't be allowed to spawn on boats.

[ShadowLuna]

I have summoned ToT on day 1 using Maxwell's 6 initial nightmare fuel. It's 100% doable.

[Nnumber3]

2 hours ago, chirsg said:

OP is right. OP is ALWAYS right. 

It's unlikely you will spawn twins day 1, but if you manage to sink your sanity down to nightmares spawning, you can kill a nightmare creature with the humble axe and fuel the terrarium if you find it.

 

I'm 99% sure Maxwell spawns in with nightmare fuel, but I don't play Maxwell, so who knows. It's forever going to be a mystery and no one will ever uncover the truth. 

Translator's note: Everything in bold, italic red text is hyperbole. 

Sir, calm down

What does that mean, "OP is always right" that's false and way more dangerous than what Mike said, just a simple error as a bug used to allow you to do that, 1 point to mike and 0 points to you.

and why are you speaking in 3rd person? your OP, Original poster, just say "I" and "always right" is still a very Toxic thing to say.

like... you CAN do twins on day 1 but who on earth have actually seen someone do that? You said it yourself its unlikely but like, it's possible to fight the shadow pieces day 1 and kill every1 around you, it's that unlikely to happen

like torch's exist, you going to start ranting on how torch's is detrimental to concurrent player base now?

You even gave a translator note yet not on the 1 of the most toxic things I have heard in a while.

People have said that it should target the person who activated it, which is right, but can definitely still grief a server with that, just grab terraim and NF and activate it in base with you in it and run, yet who on earth would do that when so many griefing things exist.

Btw why the terraria hate? 

And people are not sitting ducks usually, they can run.

[chirsg]

17 minutes ago, Nnumber3 said:

And people are not sitting ducks usually, they can run.

I see you, and I raise you a boat. 

 

17 minutes ago, Nnumber3 said:

like torch's exist, you going to start ranting on how torch's is detrimental to concurrent player base now?

 

Torches cause destruction in your immediate area. Twins destroy bases on the other side of the map

 

19 minutes ago, Nnumber3 said:

like... you CAN do twins on day 1 but who on earth have actually seen someone do that? You said it yourself its unlikely but like, it's possible to fight the shadow pieces day 1 and kill every1 around you, it's that unlikely to happen

 

I never said 'do'

The implication is someone can spawn twins on day 1 to kill other players.

besides, day 1 terror cluster is a problem mostly for eye of terror. It's definitely a problem for newer players to get killed randomly to a boss summoned that wasn't their fault.

 

27 minutes ago, Nnumber3 said:

Btw why the terraria hate? 

 

For changing choices in design that have stayed static for 7 years in game and offering extremely little solution and utter contempt for the parties that expressed their concerns. 

 

 

I don't think I'm as toxic as you think I am, sir. 

I look out for the newer players. 

I want this playerbase to expand because I understand better than every single other person in the whole entire planet that this game is not for everyone.

I am the most gracious, humble and empathetic person in the world and due to these qualities, facets of the game are simply unfair to those that are just getting into the game, namely instances that impede on them due to the choices of other players.
Translator's note again: The portions bold, italic and highlighted in red are extreme and exaggerated hyperbole.

Things that kill you in game which are unfair should be addressed. It's not up to me, you or other disgruntled parties to change it, but klei. All I can do is open up a discussion that says random eye cluster spawns are really bad for players in general, but they old or new. 

 

33 minutes ago, Nnumber3 said:

You even gave a translator note yet not on the 1 of the most toxic things I have heard in a while.

 

:Please read the translator's note once more.

[Master_NiX]

Speaking of random spawns.

Here's a hilarious situation to change to mood of this topic.

6 players on the server. We plan on activating the prism. Everyone is at the base, except for woodie, who is traveling the ocean via boat.

We activate the prism during evening, but didnt notice it was full moon.

Woodie gets transformed into beaver, and the eye spawn at him.

1/6 chance for that, and it caused the player to lose his "sanity" completely.

[Cheggf]

on day 1 u can diggy nmf out of graves or kill nightmares in the ruins if you get insane world gen

[Nnumber3]

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

I see you, and I raise you a boat. 

Yea, that's why I said the twins and eye of terror should focus on the person who touched it.

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

Torches cause destruction in your immediate area. Twins destroy bases on the other side of the map

What's stopping them from traveling to a base and burning it down? normally there's 1 central point of base, PK or Oasis, they go there and burn it in publics, which these eye related events occur.

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

I never said 'do'

The implication is someone can spawn twins on day 1 to kill other players.

besides, day 1 terror cluster is a problem mostly for eye of terror. It's definitely a problem for newer players to get killed randomly to a boss summoned that wasn't their fault.

Yea, It CAN happen, that's what I said, with the implication you can summon the shadow pieces day 1 comparison. Here is another: someone leading deer clops directly to base or a newbie not knowing what the growling means while there at base. I suppose that lowers player counts according to your logic more then the eye?

And for the normal eye, if there still not trying to learn the controls they can just run, it not that hard to dodge it. Move in any direction not towards it or straight ahead of it when it does a sick backflip, then it dashs at 0.00000008 speed.

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

For changing choices in design that have stayed static for 7 years in game and offering extremely little solution and utter contempt for the parties that expressed their concerns. 

What are you Talking about? Don't think any of that happened.

Can you Specify the update?

I have a bad feeling your talking about the throwing class removal...

before I talk about it I would prefer you specify your gripes, as i only started playing after the 1.4 update, and i suspect hyperbole on the last part, and its not red, italic, or bolded!

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

I don't think I'm as toxic as you think I am, sir. 

I look out for the newer players.

Yet I see no Argument about my point of WHY I think your being toxic, and I

am taking your silence about it as admission, pls correct me if I'm wrong.

1 hour ago, Nnumber3 said:

OP is right. OP is ALWAYS right. 

Like I said That these specific words, i will quote it if you don't get it are T.O.X.I.C, which is above.

 saying you're always right is toxic. And its not Red, Italic's, or Bold!

I heard some drama also in some other posts you were in but I'm not a part of it so I won't comment as i don't have the whole information and this topic is not about that.

 

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

Things that kill you in game which are unfair should be addressed. It's not up to me, you or other disgruntled parties to change it, but klei. All I can do is open up a discussion that says random eye cluster spawns are really bad for players in general, but they old or new. 

 

Thats why I said it should be changed, where you to busy rage texting to read?

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

Please read the translator's note once more

The Translator's note thing is a bit... Demeaning, as it makes me feel that you think we are too stupid to recognize your genius with obvious sarcasm, like no one does it but you. 

Pls be non-toxic and read my points.

[goblinball]

2 hours ago, Nnumber3 said:

What are you Talking about? Don't think any of that happened.

Can you Specify the update?

It’s just because they changed the block blending OP was using in a build iirc 

despite accent blocks which mimic the old blending being added in that same update…

 

edit im sorry this caused a rude argument I just wanted to flex my awesome memory : (

[Spirit Glow]

9 hours ago, Wonz said:

Doing this without warning is griefing. It's not justifiable. 

never said anything about doing it with no warning not sure where thats coming from

[Nnumber3]

33 minutes ago, goblinball said:

It’s just because they changed the block blending OP was using in a build iirc 

despite accent blocks which mimic the old blending being added in that same update…

Hah ah ha ha ha ha, how amusing and petty!  Nothing wrong with the actual game.

Checks out with the type of person he seems to be.

You a part of the terraria community to know this? Cool!

 

 

[chirsg]

1 hour ago, goblinball said:

despite accent blocks which mimic the old blending being added in that same update…

Not for all blocks, such as sandstone slab, every single gemspark blocks and I could probably go on if I looked it up. 

3 minutes ago, Nnumber3 said:

Checks out with the type of person he seems to be.

 

I've collected myself yet another detractor. I played the game literally just to build and I spent 3 years on a build that was ruined overnight due to the update. 

Yes. Thanks for the judgement, Klei forum member. 

[Nnumber3]

17 minutes ago, chirsg said:

Not for all blocks, such as sandstone slab, every single gemspark blocks and I could probably go on if I looked it up. 

I've collected myself yet another detractor. I play the game literally just to build and I spent 3 years on a build that was ruined overnight due to the update. 

Yes. Thanks for the judgement, Klei forum member. 

Perhaps drop your superiority complex and be nontoxic? you talked to yourself in third person and said whatever you said is right!

Think that would help.

Have you considered, maybe, as you got new visuals, you can make NEW builds with it, if what you're saying is true for some blocks, which I somewhat doubt?

wow terraria got a change to help the visuals but as it clashed with your build, so you don't like it, as the developers cater to your microscopic needs as you believe whatever you say is right, to appease your build senses (how far ago was this update?) Can you link proof of their "utter Contempt" as i doubt they were that rude, or rude at all.

This is a DST forum however, so I won't be responding to terraria drama anymore.

 

Your translator note by the way did not cover the toxic parts I have said, so don't quote it as a joke.

[chirsg]

3 minutes ago, Nnumber3 said:

 

I could stop arguing now, but I'll just throw out a blanket about the design philosophy choices of terraria doing what it did. 7 years a feature stayed static and reliable. MANY builds took advantage of accents. It wasn't a small change and I think you fail to see that it undid years of my builds. 

I'm put off and I don't need you to convince me that my concerns are downplayed. I wasn't alone in this in the beginning and I've moved on from terraria and no longer play it. 

I can't wish upon them the failure of relogic, but I don't wish them well by any means at all.

 

The same cannot be said about Klei and DST.

I want this game to be all it can be and more. That's why I'm on the forums.

 

Why I didn't put the discussion about the terror cluster on suggestions is because this is not a suggestion to change random spawns. It's a straight out criticism based on all the problems I've encountered with the mechanic, that quite frankly, I personally don't struggle with, but it kills my own enjoyment if players die as a result of me attempting a summon.

 

I won't quit the game over this, but I won't pull punches and hide my sentiment that this is bad design.

 

I don't want something to happen in development that puts me off this game and if I were more involved in the terraria forums, perhaps I could have made suggestions to reflect on the perspective of changing the status quo held for 7 whole years.

 

I love this game and every single thing I say here is a result of the passion I have for it. 

 

Klei actually listens to proper suggestions. ReLogic does not. 

I'm done speaking to you. 

[lenship2]

here before award

[Nnumber3]

You Know that update you quit over is like 5 years old, so much stuff got added to HELP YOU WITH YOU ISSUE AND DEVOLOPERS LISTENING TO FEEDBACK

I put far too much effort and research into this...

@chirsg

I am now responding via meme from now on in this thread

[CameoAppearance]

On 9/27/2023 at 8:58 AM, chirsg said:

Griefing doesn't need to be on purpose. 

Yes it does??? If it's not on purpose it's not griefing, it's just playing badly.

[Cheggf]

Griefing is intentionally causing grief to people. It requires a motive, like killing someone not being murder if it was an accident. Then it can be something else like manslaughter.