Walter is the "pineapple on pizza" of Don't Starve characters.

[kroban]

Walter was the first character I joined with in DST, and hes one of my mains . Hes definitely a "low tier" character and feels really left behind. In fact I would even go as far as to say he is as hard, if not harder, to play than Wes.

And I agree, he gets some undeserved hate, mainly because "effectiveness" in doing something is somehow the single most important thing for some people in this game. So characters that ARE a challenge get treated as trash or that "you are just trolling, right?". Some people just plain criticize Walter without giving him a try, mainly because of the "Walter with perma 0 sanity" meme that most people find when someone is trying to play with him for the first hours.

And its weird because, Walter really benefits from the late game and has some awesome "tricks" that makes him fun to play:

- Lamb's campfire with a Walter telling stories gives a huge boost in sanity.

- The crown helps a lot with his sanity issues and adds damage to the slingshot.

- With slingshot and marbles/cursed rounds he can easily kill a lot of shades from a safe distance.

- With shade helm you can literally walk the entire time in the darkness without losing sanity.

Also most of his negative traits can be solved by just mounting a beefalo.

IMO? Walter really needs an update because yeah, hes really far behind compared to other characters. Like, a faster slingshot, a fighter Woby, etc would be REALLY appreciated.

But the people complaining about Walter players? Skill issue. Walter is a CHALLENGE character, and hes an extremely fun character to play with once you get used to his huge negative traits. Its funny how you can lose the entirety of the sanity in 1 attack, which forces you to be careful unlike any other characters. He is a character that forces the player to be better, and I think hating on a character only because hes hard to play is laughable when its mostly coming from people that main ridiculous characters like Wolfgang that are by definition the "easy mode" of the game (his "scared of darkness" trait is a joke, 2.25x damage with barely any work, more speed, huge health-sanity-hunger pools, etc).

 

[Fufuji]

6 minutes ago, Brago-sama said:

Pinapple pizza is so 10 years ago

You guys have not lived (or might not afterwards) until you've tried baked beans and scrambled eggs pizza

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I shouldn't have clicked the reveal button. Please someone perform an amnesia magic on me I don't want to live with this nightmare for the rest of my life.

[Captain_Rage]

1 hour ago, Cheggf said:

The tomato sauce is a fruit.

WOLF PEACH!

[lenship2]

1 hour ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Wanda is not a glass cannon. 

mfw 37.5 health for damage that doesn't even come close to post-skill tree wolfgang

maxwell has 75 health and is arguably better than her in combat, and wolfgang has 200 health with objectively higher damage, even with infinite night armour as old wanda you only get 750 effective health (maxwell gets 1500 and wolfgang 4000) with only one source of healing that isn't stackable and is really easily cancelable by being hit or taking damage over time. unless you have your entire inventory full of ageless watches (which means no room for extra night armours removing the chance for a full 750 effective health), healing as wanda is somewhat difficult. imo she might not seem like a glass cannon, but compared to literally every other character she's the most fragile in the game (though admittedly her young and middle age damage is pretty high all things considered but still fall victim to the aforementioned negative perks)

i will not stand for this wanda slander when wolfgang and maxwell exists

[Jakepeng99]

3 minutes ago, lenship2 said:

mfw 37.5 health for damage that doesn't even come close to post-skill tree wolfgang

maxwell has 75 health and is arguably better than her in combat, and wolfgang has 200 health with objectively higher damage, even with infinite night armour as old wanda you only get 750 effective health (maxwell gets 1500 and wolfgang 4000) with only one source of healing that isn't stackable and is really easily cancelable by being hit or taking damage over time. unless you have your entire inventory full of ageless watches (which means no room for extra night armours removing the chance for a full 750 effective health), healing as wanda is somewhat difficult. imo she might not seem like a glass cannon, but compared to literally every other character she's the most fragile in the game (though admittedly her young and middle age damage is pretty high all things considered but still fall victim to the aforementioned negative perks)

i will not stand for this wanda slander when wolfgang and maxwell exists

You can choose when she is a glass cannon, which removes the downside of being a glass cannon. You can stay in middle aged form and still deal 98 damage which is very powerful. Often damage Wanda she takes is an advantage until she is 65 years old. Getting alot of healing watches aint that hard either once you obtain the celestial portal.

[Creatorofswamps]

2 hours ago, NoodlemanNed said:

walter doesnt deserve the hate, we should make fun of wurt instead

 

[Dextops]

3 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

You can choose when she is a glass cannon, which removes the downside of being a glass cannon. You can stay in middle aged form and still deal 98 damage which is very powerful. Often damage Wanda she takes is an advantage until she is 65 years old. Getting alot of healing watches aint that hard either once you obtain the celestial portal.

Also add on that with armor she’s even less of a glass cannon. When you can tank a lot of hits pretty easily you shouldn’t be considered a glass cannon 

[Mysterious box]

2 hours ago, _zwb said:

I played Walter and he's just boring to play as

Not trying to antagonize but what aspect of him do you find boring to play as? 

[lenship2]

13 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

You can choose when she is a glass cannon, which removes the downside of being a glass cannon. You can stay in middle aged form and still deal 98 damage which is very powerful. Often damage Wanda she takes is an advantage until she is 65 years old. Getting alot of healing watches aint that hard either once you obtain the celestial portal.

honestly true, wanda's middle age is kinda op, but in terms of maximizing dps and being effective wanda is still really fragile compared to everyone else, and even staying middle aged turns your health into maxwell. ageless were never really that hard to amass, my point was they're just kinda objectively bad at healing compared to any other option in the game (when used in combat), especially being non-stackable

13 hours ago, Dextops said:

Also add on that with armor she’s even less of a glass cannon. When you can tank a lot of hits pretty easily you shouldn’t be considered a glass cannon 

you can only tank 10 dragonfly hits as wanda with infinite night armour while wolfgang can tank 13 hits with cheaper football helmets and log suits and still having a higher dps (he can tank 53 hits with infinite marble armour/night armour lol). again, compared to literally every other character she's very very fragile, making her old form by definition a glass cannon

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, Shosuko said:

idgi I don't see Walter hate.  There is certainly criticism of his kit being all over the place, or him being unrewarding to play but I'd say those are more attacks on Klei for designing him as is rather than attacks on Walter.

I really like the idea of Walter.  Being immune to insanity auras while you're full health, losing sanity when you lose damage - imo this is a very entertaining game hook that sets up a lot of fun play based around just this element of his mechanics.  Very similar to how Wanda works as a glass cannon, its just Walter is all glass no cannon lol  Like all the whiners who think Wanda just doesn't need Alarming Clock well look at Walter and that is what you'd get lol.

I do think Walter needs a bit of love.  The slingshot is a bit too niche and low damage, although we have new setups with the mannequins and BS plants that he can exploit.

Personally I think it's 50/50 it's very clear despite most people claiming otherwise when it brought up that the majority of the player base hates impactful downsides and Walter's is arguably one of the most impactful in that area. But the other half of it is that Walter doesn't have a powerful perk as many players would be willing to somewhat overlook his downside if the payoff outweighed his downside.

[_zwb]

4 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Not trying to antagonize but what aspect of him do you find boring to play as? 

Lack of unique play style, just as bland as Wilson. His perks are handy in some situations, but not impactful enough to make you play in a different way.

[abrocator]

Walter does have that nice perk where he has no sanity drain from dusk and night.

...oh wait Maxwell exists. Never mind.

He can also kill birds and make tents. And be a worse beefalo player compared to Wendy and Maxwell.

[Dextops]

4 minutes ago, lenship2 said:

you can only tank 10 dragonfly hits as wanda with infinite night armour while wolfgang can tank 13 hits with cheaper football helmets and log suits and still having a higher dps (he cant tank 53 hits with infinite marble armour/night armour lol). again, compared to literally every other character she's very very fragile, making her old form by definition a glass cannon

That isn’t enough to be a glass cannon, it’s more like an old steel cannon starting to rust a bit.

[Brago-sama]

5 minutes ago, abrocator said:

He can also kill birds and make tents.

He doesnt even have that lol. The most useful feather color early on (black, for wigfrids songs and wicker books) is easily attained by dropping a meat in the desert and killing vultures

Tents.... could start a whole library section on everyones opinions on tents. At least its portable and shareable i suppose

[abrocator]

1 minute ago, Brago-sama said:

Tents.... could start a whole library section on everyones opinions on tents. At least its portable and shareable i suppose

Cheap healing for Wormwood.

[Jakepeng99]

15 minutes ago, lenship2 said:

honestly true, wanda's middle age is kinda op, but in terms of maximizing dps and being effective wanda is still really fragile compared to everyone else, and even staying middle aged turns your health into maxwell. ageless were never really that hard to amass, my point was they're just kinda objectively bad at healing compared to any other option in the game (when used in combat), especially being non-stackable

you can only tank 10 dragonfly hits as wanda with infinite night armour while wolfgang can tank 13 hits with cheaper football helmets and log suits and still having a higher dps (he cant tank 53 hits with infinite marble armour/night armour lol). again, compared to literally every other character she's very very fragile, making her old form by definition a glass cannon

95% of the time Wanda has more dps due to her range with her easily refuelable and safee weapon, Wanda dying to 10 hits to d fly vs Wolfgang in 13 doesn't matter since healing makes health cap not that useful. I am not saying she is a bad, but she is not really a glass cannon. Also i remembered she has that watch that gives her infinite eye frames so you can never get hit.

[_zwb]

16 minutes ago, Dextops said:

That isn’t enough to be a glass cannon, it’s more like an old steel cannon starting to rust a bit.

What's your definition of glass cannon then?

[Dextops]

10 minutes ago, _zwb said:

What's your definition of glass cannon then?

someone that can't just tank 10 hits from a hard hitting boss, and requires some actual skill or anything really. Wanda has basically no risk of anything if you know what you're doing at all, the only people who'd see her as a glass cannon/high skill in my eyes are people not too good at combat yet. 

im going to be honest i don't even know if a glass cannon character could work just due to how much armor protects you from hits.

[lenship2]

6 minutes ago, Dextops said:

im going to be honest i don't even know if a glass cannon character could work just due to how much armor protects you from hits.

yea, wanda's really the closest we can get to a glass cannon in this very game with very high armour resistances

i genuinely wouldn't mind some type of amour nerf that isn't planar damage, lowering every percentage by 20 or something (or even implement damage vulnerabilities to characters and items while keeping base armour stats)

[abrocator]

17 minutes ago, Dextops said:

someone that can't just tank 10 hits from a hard hitting boss, and requires some actual skill or anything really. Wanda has basically no risk of anything if you know what you're doing at all, the only people who'd see her as a glass cannon/high skill in my eyes are people not too good at combat yet. 

im going to be honest i don't even know if a glass cannon character could work just due to how much armor protects you from hits.

It's a simple enough question. Just tell us how few hits someone with the highest damage reduction armor would survive in order to be classified as a "glass cannon". Fair warning though if your number is low I will silently judge you as being bad at the game.

[_zwb]

8 minutes ago, Dextops said:

someone that can't just tank 10 hits from a hard hitting boss

Is that even possible in DS/T considering the high protection you get, look at fighting games like terraria, the armour gives so little protection in comparison (but dying isn't nearly as punishing). However without armour DST characters are suddenly true glass cannons, you'd die to spiders in8 hits without armour, that's never a thing in fighting games.

14 minutes ago, Dextops said:

requires some actual skill or anything really

This game isn't really skill based....

 

16 minutes ago, Dextops said:

no risk of anything if you know what you're doing at all

That's true for any character, and feels like "just don't get hit", if you know what you're doing nothing will ever be a threat.

[lenship2]

3 minutes ago, abrocator said:

It's a simple enough question. Just tell us how few hits someone with the highest damage reduction armor would survive in order to be classified as a "glass cannon". Fair warning though if your number is low I will silently judge you as being bad at the game though.

old wanda can only tank 2 dragonfly hits with a infinite football helmet/log suit 

[Dextops]

Just now, abrocator said:

It's a simple enough question. Just tell us how few hits someone with the highest damage reduction armor would survive in order to be classified as a "glass cannon". Fair warning though if your number is low I will silently judge you as being bad at the game though.

they should survive negative 5 hits meaning that if you get hit once you and 4 other people will die. If you're not with anybody you will need 5 revives to come back

[abrocator]

1 minute ago, lenship2 said:

wanda can only tank 2 dragonfly hits with a football helmet/log suit 

Only 80% damage reduction.

[Dextops]

Just now, _zwb said:

This game isn't really skill based....

it definitely is, just that wanda doesn't take any more or less skill than any other character really. The game requires skill, the characters don't because if you are skillful at the game characters upsides and downsides won't matter as much really.