EthanTheMime Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 I've had this question on my mind for a while, and, with the approach to this system introduced in the current beta, I decided to pull the trigger on this thread. Which characters are picking which alignment, and why? For me, Wormwood and Maxwell immediately came to mind, and it does seem like these characters will be locked into their alignments. I do want to ask this question both in and out of the context of the game, though. For example, I'm sure Maxwell will be a shadow-locked character, but I also think that Wilson, a character already revealed to be undetermined, would probably lean towards Lunar. He takes a clear interest in Wagstaff and is even shown to be cooperating with him in private. Then again, the end of his last short (with Wilson's realization that Wagstaff might not be exactly who he lets on) might complicate that notion. What do you guys think? I also want to apologize in advance if someone has already made a thread of this nature--I couldn't find anything, but I'm also not the best at navigating these forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardin25 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Most likely thing is that all characters will have a canon alignment, maybe characters in lunar content shorts go will align themselves with the moon (Wilson and Wigfrid) and vice versa (Maxwell, Wicker and Winona for the shadow side) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webberer Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 4 hours ago, EthanTheMime said: He takes a clear interest in Wagstaff and is even shown to be cooperating with him in private. Have you consider the possibility that he cooperated with Wagstuff only because he wants to get out, not because he wants to choose a specific side. And I am not sure Wagstuff is moon side, he may did some research on celestial things but that doesn’t mean he choose the moon side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 20 minutes ago, webberer said: not sure Wagstuff is moon side, he may did some research on celestial things but that doesn’t mean he choose the moon side. He's the one that's mentioned when picking Lunar skills and selecting the Lunar affinity, much like how Charlie is mentioned when picking Shadow affinity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelewar Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Wilson, Wormwood, Woodie, Wigfrid, Wolfgang definitely seem more lunar to me Shadow will probably be Maxwell, Willow, Wendy, Winona, WX-78, and Wanda Wicker I can see going either way.. in her short she isn't the secret library room pretty lunar themed even if it does contain documents on shadow creatures? Pretty much everyone else we know too little about to figure out which way they'd pick. Wes might get no alignment just for shits and giggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n.apollyon Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 13 hours ago, Skelewar said: Wendy, Winona, WX-78 I think Wendy would be more lunar aligned. She doesn't use nightmare fuel in her crafts--aside from Abigail's flower which I'll guess was her deal to be in the constant, to be with Abigail once again--and ghosts come out on a full moon. Winona and WX were under Wagstaff. I could see Winona working for him again if he promises to be able to save Charlie. I think WX would be interested in the mutations cause by the moon, just because his thoughts are evil doesn't mean he is already shadow. Lunar vs Shadow isnt Good vs Bad, they're both forces with a distinct goals which are both harmful for the constants survivors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chincer Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Wendy will side with whoever she things can help bring her sister back, she will side with the shadows until Abigail herself convince her to get away from her uncle and side with the moon. WX hates wagstaff but will side with the moon to backstab him. Winona can't help but side with her sister. Wurt and wortox can go either way to be honest, they are from the constant itself. Wanda is a tricky one, she uses a lot of shadow magic and yet the nightmares are hunting her to get their part of the deal she made, which we don't know what even is. So she might side with the moon just to get from her devil's deal or whatever she did to get her clock magic. Walter is so oblivious he might side with the shadow lady just to help her so who knows. Willow is already working for Maxwell so she will go team shadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 wilson was on the shadow throne, wich explains the understanding of shadows to a bit more extend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emkonr Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 I love thinking about this, but in a context of the characters taking in pros and cons. Like Wolfgang, for example: "Shadows made Wolfgang MIGHTY in the first place... But Moon makes the nights bright and not so scary... Oh, if only I could ask my babushka!" It's a fun daydream, but not exactly useful here, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanTheMime Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 On 7/10/2023 at 4:44 PM, Echsrick said: wilson was on the shadow throne, wich explains the understanding of shadows to a bit more extend i have always wanted to see wilson's slight connection to the shadow throne and charlie be expanded upon, i don't think i'm alone in that one either On 7/7/2023 at 1:53 PM, webberer said: Have you consider the possibility that he cooperated with Wagstuff only because he wants to get out, not because he wants to choose a specific side. And I am not sure Wagstuff is moon side, he may did some research on celestial things but that doesn’t mean he choose the moon side. I do think that Wilson has a certain fascination with Wagstaff on the basis that he's an actually successful scientist. This seems somewhat reflected in the shorts as well as his quotes for the Grainy Transmission, with Wilson considering him "a fellow man of science" and even trying to feign awareness of his tools--maybe to impress him--or maybe just his usual wannabe antics. He does seem eager to help him, but, like I said, I think he's much more conflicted after finding the PR-76 blueprints in Wagstaff's stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demon3000 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Both sides will have their own leader. Maxwell for Shadow, and Wilson for Moon. Willow will be on the side of the moon team, but in the past she has already worked with Max. Wolfgang too, but his power is the gift of the shadows. I hope that he is more afraid. But Wendy will be on the side of the shadows because of her sister. She fears losing her more than shadows and death. Wx-78 will play on both sides, but at any moment he can betray. Also i feeling that he will choose Max because of his strong hatred for Wagstaff and his plans. Wickerbottom take moon side. She needs knowledge, shadow magic scares her. Wes also take moon, he remembers his prison in DS. Woody take moon, because he wanted to be cured of the curse. Wigfrid I don't know, but he take Shadow, Constant is the place of her dreams, she wanted to get here and Max help her. Webber take moon, Max has already deceived him once, despite his friendliness. Winona also as WX, will play on both sides. She wants her sister back and will accept any help. But for another characters, I don't know. P.S. Sorry for my Google Translate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenship2 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 55 minutes ago, demon3000 said: Willow will be on the side of the moon team, but in the past she has already worked with Max. why? willow seems like a perfect shadow candidate, with bernie only working with insanity and her entire thematic being a fire in the shadows 55 minutes ago, demon3000 said: Wx-78 will play on both sides, but at any moment he can betray. Also i feeling that he will choose Max because of his strong hatred for Wagstaff and his plans. wx would really wanna do the lunar side as evidenced by their quotes, but they seem to be unsuccessful negotiating with the moon and they hate wagstaff too much to wanna do a lunar affinity 55 minutes ago, demon3000 said: Wickerbottom take moon side. She needs knowledge, shadow magic scares her. wickerbottom doesnt seem like the type to be scared like that, and all her books run off of shadow magic anyways 55 minutes ago, demon3000 said: Wigfrid I don't know, but he take Shadow, Constant is the place of her dreams, she wanted to get here and Max help her. wigfrid thinks all the shadow magic is related to loki (who she hates), while she thinks lunar stuff is related to mani (who she praises). 56 minutes ago, demon3000 said: Winona also as WX, will play on both sides. She wants her sister back and will accept any help. winona literally only worked for wagstaff and went into the constant purely for her sister, she would prioritize helping charlie over wagstaff imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonboooorn Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Its a shame Maxwell wont be able to pick lunar side, hes got the best Moon bound drip fr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I think it would be interesting if Webber’s sides pick different sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryz Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Well, here are my ideas. Spoiler - Lunar Alignments. Wilson: he's helping wagstaff. Wigfrid: she has always mentioned his friends as allies and that he will always be there to help and defend them. Webber: is a little boy and I doubt he has evil in his mind. Woormwood: well, he comes from the moon. Woodie: the moon recently cured him of his curse on his skill tree. Wicker: has studied the shadows but never for a bad purposes or maybe just for knowledge. Warly: I doubt he wants to be on the side of the shadows, I don't think that's what his mother taught him. Walter: like Webber, is a child, in addition to the fact that evil creatures do not scare him, so he would easily be against him. - Neutral or IDK Wanda: she have seen too many timelines and she know the same thing will happen over and over again, maybe with slight variations, so I doubt she want to take any side, maybe in some timelines, sometimes she choose the side of the shadows or lunar without any success. Wes: personally I don't know if he would take any side, from what I understand he is a character who likes to avoid problems, although he is brave and if he had to choose a side, it would be that of the moon (well, remember that Maxwell caught him and maybe now he wants revenge). Wonkey: Mmm Monkey. - Shadow Alignments. Willow: she is pure evil, plus she has worked for maxwell and maybe she knows that if they manage to escape the constant she would lose the only place where she can be herself setting things on fire and the closest thing to a family. Wolfgang: he will love his friends very much, but I have always thought that he loves his strength more, maybe he is more afraid of losing his strength than his friends. Wendy: We all know that wendy would take the side of the shadows, because of Maxwell and Abigail. Maxwell: Well, charlie hehe. Winona: she would help her sister without thinking, although to be honest, I feel that she would be more on the side of the moon to be able to recover her as she was before, but for now a shadow winona could be quite good. WX-78: wants to take revenge on wagstaff and is evil since the empathy module was destroyed. Wortox: personally I feel that he would fit more on the shadow side, since he gets his power from souls, possibly he wants more power for himself. Wurt: the only thing that occurred to me is that she wants the power of the shadows to conquer the constant and defeat the kingdom of the pigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Winona wouldn't be shadow aligned. She wants to save her sister, not enable the power that ties her to the constant. To save charlie, her best bet would be to put her eggs in the Wagstaff basket. She loves her sister enough to not enable her affiliation with shadow magic Maxwell loves her, but in the simp sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demon3000 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 13 hours ago, lenship2 said: why? willow seems like a perfect shadow candidate, with bernie only working with insanity and her entire thematic being a fire in the shadows I think too so. But she doesn't like Max, Shadows and Contant. She have back home, so i think max cheated on her. 13 hours ago, lenship2 said: wickerbottom doesnt seem like the type to be scared like that, and all her books run off of shadow magic anyway I just remembered her quote about the Umbra and Shadow Manipulator. 13 hours ago, lenship2 said: wigfrid thinks all the shadow magic is related to loki (who she hates), while she thinks lunar stuff is related to mani (who she praises). I agree with you. I just thought that out of all the characters, she is the only one who does not want to leave Constant, and therefore will choose the side of Max and the shadows, because he granted her wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 8 hours ago, Kryz said: Well, here are my ideas. Hide contents - Lunar Alignments. Wilson: he's helping wagstaff. Wigfrid: she has always mentioned his friends as allies and that he will always be there to help and defend them. Webber: is a little boy and I doubt he has evil in his mind. Woormwood: well, he comes from the moon. Woodie: the moon recently cured him of his curse on his skill tree. Wicker: has studied the shadows but never for a bad purposes or maybe just for knowledge. Warly: I doubt he wants to be on the side of the shadows, I don't think that's what his mother taught him. Walter: like Webber, is a child, in addition to the fact that evil creatures do not scare him, so he would easily be against him. - Neutral or IDK Wanda: she have seen too many timelines and she know the same thing will happen over and over again, maybe with slight variations, so I doubt she want to take any side, maybe in some timelines, sometimes she choose the side of the shadows or lunar without any success. Wes: personally I don't know if he would take any side, from what I understand he is a character who likes to avoid problems, although he is brave and if he had to choose a side, it would be that of the moon (well, remember that Maxwell caught him and maybe now he wants revenge). Wonkey: Mmm Monkey. - Shadow Alignments. Willow: she is pure evil, plus she has worked for maxwell and maybe she knows that if they manage to escape the constant she would lose the only place where she can be herself setting things on fire and the closest thing to a family. Wolfgang: he will love his friends very much, but I have always thought that he loves his strength more, maybe he is more afraid of losing his strength than his friends. Wendy: We all know that wendy would take the side of the shadows, because of Maxwell and Abigail. Maxwell: Well, charlie hehe. Winona: she would help her sister without thinking, although to be honest, I feel that she would be more on the side of the moon to be able to recover her as she was before, but for now a shadow winona could be quite good. WX-78: wants to take revenge on wagstaff and is evil since the empathy module was destroyed. Wortox: personally I feel that he would fit more on the shadow side, since he gets his power from souls, possibly he wants more power for himself. Wurt: the only thing that occurred to me is that she wants the power of the shadows to conquer the constant and defeat the kingdom of the pigs. Something to keep in mind is the moon isn't really a force of good and the survivors should be aware of this fact by the time they're making these choices so I'm not sure good or evil natures should decide this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanTheMime Posted July 15 Author Share Posted July 15 11 hours ago, Mysterious box said: the moon isn't really a force of good 100% but it is funny how little the moonbound skins reflect this in comparison to the triumphant ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamePlayer42 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 On 7/10/2023 at 8:03 AM, n.apollyon said: I think Wendy would be more lunar aligned. She doesn't use nightmare fuel in her crafts--aside from Abigail's flower which I'll guess was her deal to be in the constant, to be with Abigail once again--and ghosts come out on a full moon. Winona and WX were under Wagstaff. I could see Winona working for him again if he promises to be able to save Charlie. I think WX would be interested in the mutations cause by the moon, just because his thoughts are evil doesn't mean he is already shadow. Lunar vs Shadow isnt Good vs Bad, they're both forces with a distinct goals which are both harmful for the constants survivors. moreso the constant itself, as its being used as a grounds of warfare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daszkal Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 On 7/14/2023 at 6:30 AM, Kryz said: Well, here are my ideas. Reveal hidden contents - Lunar Alignments. Wilson: he's helping wagstaff. Wigfrid: she has always mentioned his friends as allies and that he will always be there to help and defend them. Webber: is a little boy and I doubt he has evil in his mind. Woormwood: well, he comes from the moon. Woodie: the moon recently cured him of his curse on his skill tree. Wicker: has studied the shadows but never for a bad purposes or maybe just for knowledge. Warly: I doubt he wants to be on the side of the shadows, I don't think that's what his mother taught him. Walter: like Webber, is a child, in addition to the fact that evil creatures do not scare him, so he would easily be against him. - Neutral or IDK Wanda: she have seen too many timelines and she know the same thing will happen over and over again, maybe with slight variations, so I doubt she want to take any side, maybe in some timelines, sometimes she choose the side of the shadows or lunar without any success. Wes: personally I don't know if he would take any side, from what I understand he is a character who likes to avoid problems, although he is brave and if he had to choose a side, it would be that of the moon (well, remember that Maxwell caught him and maybe now he wants revenge). Wonkey: Mmm Monkey. - Shadow Alignments. Willow: she is pure evil, plus she has worked for maxwell and maybe she knows that if they manage to escape the constant she would lose the only place where she can be herself setting things on fire and the closest thing to a family. Wolfgang: he will love his friends very much, but I have always thought that he loves his strength more, maybe he is more afraid of losing his strength than his friends. Wendy: We all know that wendy would take the side of the shadows, because of Maxwell and Abigail. Maxwell: Well, charlie hehe. Winona: she would help her sister without thinking, although to be honest, I feel that she would be more on the side of the moon to be able to recover her as she was before, but for now a shadow winona could be quite good. WX-78: wants to take revenge on wagstaff and is evil since the empathy module was destroyed. Wortox: personally I feel that he would fit more on the shadow side, since he gets his power from souls, possibly he wants more power for himself. Wurt: the only thing that occurred to me is that she wants the power of the shadows to conquer the constant and defeat the kingdom of the pigs. Aren't Wurt and Wendy, also Children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryz Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 8 minutes ago, Daszkal said: Aren't Wurt and Wendy, also Children? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanTheMime Posted July 16 Author Share Posted July 16 On 7/14/2023 at 11:44 AM, demon3000 said: I think too so. But she doesn't like Max, Shadows and Contant. She have back home, so i think max cheated on her. willow did make a deal with maxwell--she could generously be considered a shadow aligned character already by proxy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daszkal Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 14 hours ago, Kryz said: yes Then why you put them on the "Bad" side, if Children are supposed to be Innocent and Good? Wendy maybe helping her Uncle but that doesn't make her "Evil", and Wurt is just as innocent minded as Webber and Walter, she has no intentions of World Conquest, she just wants to protect her Family and to live the life of the Fairytale Kingdoms she mostly likely read in books just like any Little Girl strives for. Spoiler *Smash Mouth - All Star Starts Playing* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 2 hours ago, Daszkal said: Then why you put them on the "Bad" side, if Children are supposed to be Innocent and Good? Wendy maybe helping her Uncle but that doesn't make her "Evil", and Wurt is just as innocent minded as Webber and Walter, she has no intentions of World Conquest, she just wants to protect her Family and to live the life of the Fairytale Kingdoms she mostly likely read in books just like any Little Girl strives for. I don’t think there is a good side And Wendy has every reason to be shadow 1.Maxwells her uncle 2. She’s a dark person 3. To make more of Abigail’s flowers(you know the very thing that allows her to bring the spirit of the person she loves most to reside i the land of the living) is basically the evil flower version of a mourning glory witch is a flower that has nightmare fuel in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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