Gashzer Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 People have been suggesting to make the umbralla a light source or walking cane replacement. I think this is a bad idea, the umbralla doesnt look like any sort of light emitting item and it looks like it would slow you down carrying it not speed u up. What it does look like is a long ass pike. Klei could you give it the "spear jab" animation that the fencing sword has, boost its attack range to that of whips like alarming clock and give it 11 regular damage plus 40 planar damage for a total of 51 damage. This would make it more useful as a hand slot item during acid rain plus gives it its own unique role as a slow long range weapon that isnt too strong but is strong enough to use as a nice day to day weapon for non-boss encounters. I believe it repairs itself in acid rain too?.. i hope this effect stays. Keep up the good work Klei! Edit: it has a cool red lightning effect maybe it could do electric damage instead of planar Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 ++++ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Gashzer said: I believe it repairs itself in acid rain too?.. i hope this effect stays. I honestly can't tell most of the time if the umbralla is doing this Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, gamehun20 said: I honestly can't tell most of the time if the umbralla is doing this After watching the YouTube video, I can say that yes, it is being repaired, but as soon as I get home, I will check it 100% Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Creatorofswamps said: After watching the video on YouTube, I can say that yes, but as soon as I get home I will check it 100% It does it but for whatever reason really slowly Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted June 3, 2023 Author Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, gamehun20 said: It does it but for whatever reason really slowly Yeah lets buff that effect up a good bit if using it as a weapon lowers durability! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waitdire Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I believe that a shadow umbrella strike should send small creatures into the shadow dimension. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kur0u Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Would be great if it had some interaction with the ink mob trio, if acid rain would start only when you burn the miasma the fight and the rain wouldn't be so bad (As I felt it's pretty damn easy), giving it another layer of difficulty, a nice use for the umbralla as you'd be both protected and you could fight back. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted June 4, 2023 Author Share Posted June 4, 2023 Be cool if the umbralla absorbed lightning and became in an "overcharged" state like old wx gaining extra electric damage for a limited time and restoring durability. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted June 4, 2023 Author Share Posted June 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, Satan_ said: I think the umbralla should damage the player for striking opponents. Practice non violence in the survival game. It would be even more challenging! Hmm i wonder whos alt account this is? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 What if umbralla should be alternative lazy explorer? If not void walking might as well as a repairable warping item Oh or maybe umbralla could be a deployable larger palm leaf hut! To protect self and friends from acid while combatting an enemy while it keeps itself from being smashed down. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted June 4, 2023 Author Share Posted June 4, 2023 42 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said: What if umbralla should be alternative lazy explorer? If not void walking might as well as a repairable warping item A few modifications to wagstaffs teleport umbrella could work as a baseline. If it acted like wortox's map teleport there would need to be a pretty hefty cost to not overshadow his perk. Like a big health loss of 20-100 hp depending how far you teleport. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 57 minutes ago, Gashzer said: A few modifications to wagstaffs teleport umbrella could work as a baseline. If it acted like wortox's map teleport there would need to be a pretty hefty cost to not overshadow his perk. Like a big health loss of 20-100 hp depending how far you teleport. Or teleporting you to one of the existing gateways in the world aka atrium, spawns, sealed portal... Some kind of ingame world travel network. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I agree that it should be a Weapon, but I ALSO Agree it should have a Built in Speed Boost & I can provide some pretty solid evidence to back up WHY it should.  look at how shadows (and Charlie possessed by shadows..) slither and slink like fast moving snakes- If that isn’t justification for giving the Umbralla Speed Boost IDK what is. Speed+Spear+Umbrella seems to be on par with the BS Hammer which is a Hammer+Pickaxe+Weapon. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted June 4, 2023 Author Share Posted June 4, 2023 55 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: Snip Nah the cool slithering speed boost you want would be better suited to the scythe, the scythe looks like a slick wee terrorbeak and everything. Making the umbralla a deployable shield against acid rain and/or a long range pike weapon would better suit its huge size when opened or long length with a spear tip when not opened. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 22 hours ago, Gashzer said: Nah the cool slithering speed boost you want would be better suited to the scythe, the scythe looks like a slick wee terrorbeak and everything. Making the umbralla a deployable shield against acid rain and/or a long range pike weapon would better suit its huge size when opened or long length with a spear tip when not opened. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil K Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Amazing idea!!! Please Klei, we need other classes of weapon, and spears are a great choice Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1638837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 1:17 AM, Lil K said: Amazing idea!!! Please Klei, we need other classes of weapon, and spears are a great choice + Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1639912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 50 minutes ago, Creatorofswamps said: + Its never going to happen Mr swampy.... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1639922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Its never going to happen Mr swampy.... He has a spear tip, I saw on the forum that in the game code he should deal 34 damage like a spear. Therefore, I will believe and hope that this will happen Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1639928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, Creatorofswamps said: He has a spear tip, I saw on the forum that in the game code he should deal 34 damage like a spear. Therefore, I will believe and hope that this will happen If anyone can confirm this with the code part then i would be thankful because so far i haven't seen anything like this Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1639931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornete Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, gamehun20 said: If anyone can confirm this with the code part then i would be thankful because so far i haven't seen anything like this I think people are leaning too much into acting like it's a bug, in reality it's just a cut/unused feature. There is no bug preventing the damage value being used, it simply wasn't added and was left as a variable. Would like to see it used though! The problem before with acid rain was being left out of a weapon with only umbralla protecting against acid rain, though that's changed now. The fencing animation + longer range unironically doesn't look too bad, the up and down views aren't pretty however. They can easily apply some edits though, if the umbrella closed when attacking I think it would be quite on point! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1639933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Hornete said: I think people are leaning too much into acting like it's a bug, in reality it's just a cut/unused feature. There is no bug preventing the damage value being used, it simply wasn't added and was left as a variable. Would like to see it used though! The problem before with acid rain was being left out of a weapon with only umbralla protecting against acid rain, though that's changed now. The fencing animation + longer range unironically doesn't look too bad, the up and down views aren't pretty however. They can easily apply some edits though, if the umbrella closed when attacking I think it would be quite on point! Yeah that umbrella needs to be closed also what is the nopunch tag on umbrellas? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1639936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornete Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, gamehun20 said: Yeah that umbrella needs to be closed also what is the nopunch tag on umbrellas? "nopunch" is a special case tag to make it so that the hand held equipped doesnt do the punch animation. This case is needed for when a hand held doesnt have the weapon component, which is the umbrella! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1639937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, Hornete said: "nopunch" is a special case tag to make it so that the hand held equipped doesnt do the punch animation. This case is needed for when a hand held doesnt have the weapon component, which is the umbrella! Ah neat Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/148117-umbralla-should-be-a-long-range-weapon-not-a-light-source-or-speed-boost/#findComment-1639938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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