Should Winona get another update?

[Gashzer]

2 hours ago, maxwell_winters said:

That is not what everyone is saying. No one is saying that she's weak. People want an update for her because she's boring and not versatile compared to other characters.

Trusty tape is extremely convenient for repairing thermal stones or clothes (or bernie!). And her faster building speed is nice for mass producing boards or cut stones. Her spotlights are aesthetically pleasing to use. And her catapults are very very very very very very very very powerful. The only thing Winona needs are new skins for her crafts so they can fit aesthetically into different types of base designs.

I tend to have a catapult and gen precrafted to use whenever... then hammer it when im done.. u lose in a few rocks and twigs but its easy enough to recraft on the go. That allows a nice defensive option for fighting hound waves/splumonkeys/spiders when out an about cause even one catapult is pretty dam decent for killing hordes of weak mobs.

Winona has alot more substance to her perks than Wendy does! Wendy is boring as f to use. Only 2 of Wendys ectopotions are actually useful (damage buff and healing) the rest are useless. Atleast you get the dopamine hit from seeing the raw power of catapults as a reward for your grinding.

 

 

[maxwell_winters]

35 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

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My point still stands. No one questions her power, but being powerful doesn't always mean being fun.

[Gashzer]

18 minutes ago, maxwell_winters said:

My point still stands. No one questions her power, but being powerful doesn't always mean being fun.

By this logic we need to revise wolfgang too haha

[Mysterious box]

5 hours ago, Gashzer said:

By this logic we need to revise wolfgang too haha

Tbf he is pretty boring in my opinion.

[maxwell_winters]

Just now, Mysterious box said:

Tbf he is pretty boring in my opinion.

The only time he interested me was during March 2022 QoL when they gave him a solid skill-based downside. However, they reverted it and Wolfgang has returned to the list of character I never touch. 

[Mike23Ua]

14 minutes ago, maxwell_winters said:

The only time he interested me was during March 2022 QoL when they gave him a solid skill-based downside. However, they reverted it and Wolfgang has returned to the list of character I never touch. 

Skill based downsides like that should be reserved from some higher difficulty game mode, the characters themselves should be simple enough to pick up, play and enjoy.. then (under an optional higher difficulty setting) crazy downsides like that can exist for them.

The intention is so that anyone of any skill level can play and enjoy any character, but if you want the “Harsh crippling downsides” you can toggle it on under an optional mode.

What is easily doable on PC with a Keyboard/Mouse may be only “slightly” do-able using a controller, if it’s do-able at all. 

Personally I rarely ever play as old age Wanda, because a single spike of lag can cause her to die to one Beefalo.

None of this has anything to with Winona though- I’m just stating Wolfgang didn’t need to be a Wanda Reskin..

As far as Winona Herself goes- I want her to get the toolbox she’s seen using in several shorts, and the welders tool/mask, THESE ITEMS DEFINE WHO/WHAT WINONA IS.. 

So for to get crazy Wagstaff inventions and contraptions is unfitting, she’s NOT some genius level scientist, she’s simply a hard working factory gal. Maybe she’s learned a “few” of Wagstaff gadgets, but she won’t know things like teleportation with Telebrella & it’s ridiculous for anyone to even suggest she get such a thing.

Winona needs to center on what she’s showin in her cinematics as being able to do- and that’s being a handy woman with plenty of tools for each job. Building & Repairing should be her main perks..

So I’d give her a Welders Tool & Workers Wench to repair burned structures with. (Like upgrading pearls hermit home) she can “Repair” broken stuff.

Trusty Duct Tape already repairs Boat Leaks, Thermal Stones & Bernie Dolls.. but This chick should be more of a Handy Repair Woman than Klei is letting her be..

All of her kit focuses on stupid Batsignal lights, Rock Catapults, Crazy Jewels powered contraptions.. and that’s not the Winona we have seen portrayed in any of Klei’s animated shorts.

[sudoku]

On 4/23/2023 at 4:49 PM, maxwell_winters said:

If all reworks had been of the same quality, no one would have asked for the second round. I don't see threats about revising WX or Wendy, for example. It's always Willow, Woodie and Winona. 

 

[Skoppiato]

if "another update" means some tweaks to Winona (and other characters, of course) then i'm in.

[Dragonboooorn]

In some of QoL updates, yes.

But instead of making finally content updates for once you want re－refresh? Heck no, Im tired of having 80% of the updates as reworks and other 10% as seasonal events

[Creatorofswamps]

Just give her a toolbox that will work like a staff with a green gemstone but only destroy structures

[maxwell_winters]

5 hours ago, sudoku said:

 

They want to remove Jimmy because they don't want WX to be "a follower character". I'm lost for words

[Spino43]

Just give her more things to craft and help with doing everyday chores.

A machine that auto tills (and maybe harvest too?)

A special kind of mech armor that only she can use that are for combat purposes (basically weaker version of Living Artifact from Hamlet)

A "tool bag" item that she can craft and only she can use it, that allows her to dismantle any structure with full material refund, one use only.

Give her the ability to also dismantle craftable items (including armor/weapons) on Science/alchemy machines, which will help solving the 1% problem.

Regarding to her quick craft mechanic. I think to change it so that, you start off with normal speed, but the more you do a certain task (crafting/chopping/mining,...) your work speed gets faster and faster, but your hunger also starts draining faster.

Just a few ideas that may never gets put in game, but I wanna share it.

[Brago-sama]

Everyones saying toolbag so ill just add that the tool bag should have a secondary use of removing WXs circuts with no durability loss to the circuts durability as somewhat of a callback to his short

 

Since we kinda lost the synergy of wx and lightning book, itd be nice to have a new useful character to character interaction

[Mr. Surreal]

10 hours ago, maxwell_winters said:

They want to remove Jimmy because they don't want WX to be "a follower character". I'm lost for words

That’s not all I suggested though. I thought to incorporate Jimmy’s abilities into WX, not just remove Jimmy.

[cybers2001]

More mechanical structures would be great. I'm also still hoping for a power pole structure that can extend the range of her generators (I envision it similar to the carrat waypoint structure, where it has a circle that extends from other waypoints that are within its radius)

[LinknAllie]

She should stay a mid character.  I hate her and want her players to suffer as I have.

[Lyserus]

People are sliently agreed with me in the post without commenting 

[Fufuji]

Apparently some of the long-reworked chars have been struggling fighting planar mobs and bosses like CK, the Twins, etc. I am longing for the update when all of the chars can choose to join Lunar or Shadow side, which will grant them unique abilities and hopefully rebalance the chars. 

[Copyafriend]

I think she needs at least one more structure (two is pitiful, the generators do NOT count) and a way to turn them on and off at a minimum. 
Ideally id get some basic logic sensors like nighttime enemy nearby (and any other sensors based on what the other machines are)

If there were portable machines id love it if they were weaker rickety collapsible ones that have individual fuel.

winona is just violently uninteresting, at least wolfgang is good for rushing bosses. Winona can set up farms, but the farm is always “catapults around a generator shooting at a mob spawner” it isnt even interesting or fun to build.

[lenship2]

i wish winona could have structures based around logic-gates and automation, itd really sell into her 'engineering' character and would make her extremely fun to play as for those who like sandbox engineering games

[RealPanda]

I'm gonna be honest... I completely forgot winona existed in the game, never in my time while playing have I encountered a winona main, hell I don't even rememeber when was the last time I saw a winona.

[webberer]

On 4/24/2023 at 4:00 AM, Shosuko said:

idk, too much focus on the craft and swap potential, which I don't think is a problem.  Any character can be craft and swap, and imo trying to hit that with a hammer won't make people play her.  I'd rather focus on the parts of her kit that aren't smooth - the parts that negatively impact players who already DO pick to just play as her.

For me it ultimately comes down to the fact that her kit lacks any early game application.  The generators, catapults, and crafting speed perk are all great things after you've played for ~100 days, but before that its not really that great.  People always accuse her of being a pick/swap character, but she just has nothing to do early game even if you do pick her.

I've suggested this before - I think she should have some more early game focused structures she can build that focus on resource production which will synergize with her reaching her end game builds.  Things like a chainsaw that helps level trees, and a thumper to produce minerals, etc.  She should also receive more / better automation tools.

YEAH, I think you post a point here, that Winona could have more perks on automation like ONI. For example, Winona could have a refinement machine that could craft stuff without anyone being around, you put logs into it and wait fot a while, it gives you boards, etc.