Beefalo recipes underwhelming

[kaTome]

I like the idea of the new beefalo crockpot recipes, but I'm overall underwhelmed, and unlikely to use them.

The beefalo treats recipe requires me to have forget me lots, which I really don't ever have. Having a forget me lots farm requires a lot of maintenance, and I really would rather be spending my time going off on adventures (with my beefalo!)

In terms of the hunger value for taming a beefalo: The beefalo feed effectively halves the number of sticks I need to feed my beefalo when I'm taming it. However, I can't quite mass produce feed in the same way I can mass gather sticks because the dish has a spoilage time. It also doesn't necessarily save me on anything because the time I would have spent gathering sticks I'm now just spending cooking at the crockpot, so its kind of a wash there. Overall, I will probably just keep feeding beefalo sticks when I'm taming it.

In terms of health, I usually just make a stop at the blue mushroom biome before I do anything dangerous with my beefalo and 2-3 blue mushrooms gets me the same health as the new beefalo treats. These dishes would need to have at least a 40 day spoilage time in order for me to be interested in using it for beefalo health.

 

 

[Primalflower]

I've already tamed a pudgy beefalo with use of solely beefalo feed without even having to ride it at all, as a seasoned beefalo tamer, I can say beefalo feed works wonderfully for what its meant to do. The spoilage time looks scary at first,  but it really isn't that big of a deal in practice at all. You can make like, 10-15 or even like 20 at a time and go through them perfectly well.

I think the forget me lots recipe makes a lot of sense at a health/hunger food for beefalo. It sounds like a lot of work to have forget me lots, but, like, keep in mind, its a good idea to have a farm at all while playing this game. So I don't think its out of the question or all that out of the way for the player. I wouldn't think it as the 'main beefalo food', but it works well.

[kaTome]

Farming is rarely worth it, and I say this as a wurt main. I have several worlds in which I killed every boss and never planted a single seed.

And when I do farm, it's for giants, not for forget me lots.

[lowercase skye]

9 minutes ago, marlamade said:

Farming is rarely worth it, and I say this as a wurt main.

Farming is incredibly worth it, this is an absolutely absurd statement.

[ScottHansen]

I really like to see that different players have vastly different play styles.

[Owlrust]

37 minutes ago, ScottHansen said:

I really like to see that different players have vastly different play styles.

It's like watching the survivors argue about whether they should start a farm or not.

Edit: Nice new pfp by the way, I totally missed that you changed it to the end-result of the egg

[WhackE]

2 hours ago, ScottHansen said:

I really like to see that different players have vastly different play styles.

Well, well, well looks like ScotchHansen figured out the dilemma.  

Looks like we're not all clones.

[loopuleasa]

5 hours ago, marlamade said:

beefalo crockpot recipes, I'm overall underwhelmed, and unlikely to use them.

You don't know what you're talking about.

The new beefalo recipes are 1x dragonpies, and 2x dragonpies for some twigs and fillers.

The recipes will literally carry the hunger taming method, plus cheap boof healing from now on.

 

Previously only starvation ride taming was meta.

[Thieverpedia]

How do a bunch of sticks in a pot spoil, again?

[loopuleasa]

7 minutes ago, Thieverpedia said:

How do a bunch of sticks in a pot spoil, again?

Sticks are biodegradable.

I remember hiking through a forest once, I have touched grass that faithful day...

[ShadowDuelist]

13 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

Sticks are biodegradable.

Real horse food you make combining different grasses and straws lasts a really long time though, compared to human food. I know in this game realisM on that it’s not it’s selling point, a bacon and eggs plate is still fresh and edible after placing it in a backpack next to manure for 8 days… but still.

I think it could last longer than normal food. Not a huge deal though.

[Akecza]

Sticks recipe is great for taming beefalo, but the other one have a major problem.

Using beefalo for fighting is my favourite thing to do. I don't have to be bothered to make weapons and armor, instead have to leave fight every once in a while to heal my beef. You would think dragonpies are the best food source for that - cheap and heal a lot - but they have a major downside for this exact purpose, which is their food value. Beefalo takes ton of time to chew one pie and after 4 or 5 it's overfed. Now I can't heal it any more or I risk lowering its obedience.

Beefalo treats would be amazing, no matter the cost, if it healed 60 while only giving 15-ish hunger. In the current state they are unusable. Take it from someone who tames a beefalo in the first or second year.

 

 

EDIT: Also yeah, 4 sticks in a bowl shouldn't spoil, just for the sake of immersion.

[JazzyGames]

9 hours ago, marlamade said:

Farming is rarely worth it,

I apologize for going off-topic but I would love to hear more about your playstyle as a Wurt main. Do you forage for food or just utilize non-farm plot food?

[kaTome]

15 minutes ago, JazzyGames said:

I apologize for going off-topic but I would love to hear more about your playstyle as a Wurt main. Do you forage for food or just utilize non-farm plot food?

Kelp, kelp and more kelp :P

[JazzyGames]

1 minute ago, marlamade said:

Kelp, kelp and more kelp :P

What about healing?

[kaTome]

salves until i have enough scaly friends to kill bq

[loopuleasa]

1 hour ago, marlamade said:

salves until i have enough scaly friends to kill bq

You sure you are wurt Martin and not wormwood Martin? 

Edit: yes, my phone corrected "main" to Martin so here we are 

[NoodlemanNed]

i think the current dishes are fine since we didnt really have an earlygame hunger option for beefalos, but i think it would be cool if there was a dish that increased domestication by a small amount. Maybe you make it expensive or limit its uses like the brush, but being able to go out of your way to tame a beefalo faster seems like a fun option thats currently limited to only the brush.

[kaTome]

36 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

You sure you are wurt Main and not wormwood Main?

::Checks scales:: yup

 

34 minutes ago, NoodlemanNed said:

i think the current dishes are fine since we didnt really have an earlygame hunger option for beefalos, but i think it would be cool if there was a dish that increased domestication by a small amount. Maybe you make it expensive or limit its uses like the brush, but being able to go out of your way to tame a beefalo faster seems like a fun option thats currently limited to only the brush.

That is really intriguing. Depending on how it's implemented, that might make farming worth it

[Mr_Vol]

My beefalos lives off a diet of lightbubs and fighting while being tamed. Having the stick crock-pot meal in my pocket for a boss fight (like AG in the first 20 days of taming) means I don't have to keep jumping off to feed him to keep his obedience up. I'll still be using blue caps or trailmix for his healing.

Edit: OH and truly thank you for making it so raw birchnuts can be used to make trailmix. 

[abrocator]

I’d rather get some new salt lick structure that lasts forever. That way I can have a stable of beefalos. Including a pudgy one.

But just taming a pudgy one isn’t worth the nitre cost.

[loopuleasa]

51 minutes ago, abrocator said:

I’d rather get some new salt lick structure that lasts forever. That way I can have a stable of beefalos. Including a pudgy one.

But just taming a pudgy one isn’t worth the nitre cost.

Yeah, beefalos right now are not place and forget.

I lost two beefalos to time in my megaworld already.

 

Pudgy beefalos however should have some combat capabilities, for example have armor reduction.

Because look at him, and all that kinetically absorbing pudginess.

[ApoIIo]

On 10/4/2022 at 6:16 AM, sylvia wander o said:

Farming is incredibly worth it, this is an absolutely absurd statement.

farming is but one way to keep your health/hunger/sanity in check, but there's a plethora of different options that may be preferable, all with their own benefits.

e.g. honey farms are absurdly time-efficient source of food with no further maintenance needed beyond harvesting whensoever you wish, with the added bonus of lasting an entire year without the need to rebundle when insulated.
werepig farms yield obnoxious amounts of meat AND pigskin on a cooldown of 4 days.
volt goat farms also yield a ton of meat but also volt goat horns on the side, which make what's probably the only not depressingly underpowered warly recipe.

if you're more about adventuring and much less about hanging at base, decorating or so on, then farming becomes much more unpreferable. i'll plant stuff, leave base and by the time i'm back they've rotted 4 times over, whereas the honey's all ready to pick. honey also has the advantage of not needing to bundle/rebundle, which is great on the go.

i'd give farming more favors here for benefits exclusive to itself, but warly's spices and more or less most his recipes just seem horribly undertuned for their cost atm. picking up a cold thermal from snow chester and occasionally sewing it back together is just a lot less upkeep than spending entire winters mining ice and growing asparagus, just so i can stay cool while slaving away at pepper/dfruit the entire summer. hooray...

[Qairon]

I think the steamed twigs are a massive step in the right direction for the niche users like me who love to rush taming. As someone who primarily plays in the public Klei servers, I always felt collecting lightbulbs, which was the most considerate resource to collect instead of hoarding twigs from the drove of other players that come and go, for a rush to keep obedience up for riding, was counter-profit to what I want to be doing while taming (running around as a courier of sorts helping gather for the main base, while setting up multiple other boss rushes in the meanwhile).

Having all that hunger for the beefalo to burn for super cheap means I can be OFF my beefalo for a few minutes to do things that need to be on foot, like gathering, working on base and chopping, and still having his tame stat increase reliably. To add to this, I main Warly, so I probably won't be able to speak to the spoilage consequences of the steamy twigs since I can make them on the go, however I do agree that shouldn't be a thing. But they seem to last so long that you can easily make them at a base or random crock between biomes you know you will be traveling to, as a sort of pitstop, and be good for quite a few days.

Before this, I practically had to be glued to my beefalo's backside lmao. The only time I'm off him was just to feed him the bare minimum so he can be ridden again, starving his poor horns off while running at 30 M/PH to wherever I please.

Yeah. It was basically animal abuse. But it was efficient abuse!

EDIT: Did some testing for people that like to look at numbers before they're convinced of efficiency and whatnot.

Feeding a beefalo 4 sticks is equivalent to 55 seconds of them monching before they're starved, assuming they were zero hunger.

Steamed twigs is 2 minutes and 35 seconds (!!) before you have to do ANYTHING for them to be building up the tame process. That's you being able to mine an entire mosaic meteor field, or get a stack or two of logs with base chopping speed, or just chill for a second without having to micromanage your big hairy toddler for a bit lol. Of course, don't get complacent in feeding him 4-5 other small things for the day so he doesn't buck the saddle.

I'm hyped as heck for this update for this alone, if you didn't notice already.

[ApoIIo]

10 hours ago, Gramugazy said:

I think the steamed twigs are a massive step in the right direction for the niche users like me who love to rush taming. As someone who primarily plays in the public Klei servers, I always felt collecting lightbulbs, which was the most considerate resource to collect instead of hoarding twigs from the drove of other players that come and go, for a rush to keep obedience up for riding, was counter-profit to what I want to be doing while taming (running around as a courier of sorts helping gather for the main base, while setting up multiple other boss rushes in the meanwhile).

Having all that hunger for the beefalo to burn for super cheap means I can be OFF my beefalo for a few minutes to do things that need to be on foot, like gathering, working on base and chopping, and still having his tame stat increase reliably. To add to this, I main Warly, so I probably won't be able to speak to the spoilage consequences of the steamy twigs since I can make them on the go, however I do agree that shouldn't be a thing. But they seem to last so long that you can easily make them at a base or random crock between biomes you know you will be traveling to, as a sort of pitstop, and be good for quite a few days.

Before this, I practically had to be glued to my beefalo's backside lmao. The only time I'm off him was just to feed him the bare minimum so he can be ridden again, starving his poor horns off while running at 30 M/PH to wherever I please.

Yeah. It was basically animal abuse. But it was efficient abuse!

EDIT: Did some testing for people that like to look at numbers before they're convinced of efficiency and whatnot.

Feeding a beefalo 4 sticks is equivalent to 55 seconds of them monching before they're starved, assuming they were zero hunger.

Steamed twigs is 2 minutes and 35 seconds (!!) before you have to do ANYTHING for them to be building up the tame process. That's you being able to mine an entire mosaic meteor field, or get a stack or two of logs with base chopping speed, or just chill for a second without having to micromanage your big hairy toddler for a bit lol. Of course, don't get complacent in feeding him 4-5 other small things for the day so he doesn't buck the saddle.

I'm hyped as heck for this update for this alone, if you didn't notice already.

The only glaring issues for steamed twigs is needing to use a crockpot which I don't really make in the first year, and that they spoil. Which is silly given it's 4 sticks in a pot. Unless they changed that and I'm unaware?