saraconor Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 There is something wrong with creatures feed timing, on x3 speed they feed much slower then x1 Cause of this, sometimes they can't eat their 100 kcal per cycle, and start starving with full feeder O_o I thing starving pufts in hi-pressured dirty oxygen is the same reason, creatures just do not hawe enough time to feed, starving is faster. Dev's, can you compensate this? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 File a bug. You seem to have good evidence for the devs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saraconor Posted August 20, 2022 Author Share Posted August 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Gurgel said: File a bug. You seem to have good evidence for the devs. This is no bug, but issue in game mechanics Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharraShimada Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 33 minutes ago, saraconor said: This is no bug, but issue in game mechanics So its a bug. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lich46 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 This is no bug. The more the number of existing critters, the longer they get stuck. This may be designed to relieve CPU0's stress, especially at 3x speed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranoze Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, network_flows said: The more the number of existing critters, the longer they get stuck. He use the same amount of critters in both picture, 1 pacu. This is a bug. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lich46 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Tranoze said: He use the same amount of critters in both picture, 1 pacu. This is a bug. I mean the total number of critters over the map. If you clear the map, the pacu will eat quicker. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranoze Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Just now, network_flows said: I mean the total number of critters over the map. If you clear the map, the pacu will eat quicker. Have you watch the main post video? He basically record the same setup, which basically in the whole map the amount of critters remain the same, and even though, in x3 speed, the pacu eat slower than the x1 speed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jann5s Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 @Tranoze, of course we watched the video, such statements seem to do more harm then good. The point here is that oni is deliberately reducing the number of cpu cycles spent on creatures when fps suffers. This leads to this behavior either when you have many creatures at low speed or few creatures at high speed. So in a way, the observed behavior is by design and thus not a bug. Nevertheless, I'm quite sure that the devs want to minimize the discrepancy. Obviously, in an ideal world both simulation speeds should give the same results. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saraconor Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jann5s said: @Tranoze, of course we watched the video, such statements seem to do more harm then good. The point here is that oni is deliberately reducing the number of cpu cycles spent on creatures when fps suffers. This leads to this behavior either when you have many creatures at low speed or few creatures at high speed. So in a way, the observed behavior is by design and thus not a bug. Nevertheless, I'm quite sure that the devs want to minimize the discrepancy. Obviously, in an ideal world both simulation speeds should give the same results. Indeed, so i hope devs can compensate this with boost kcal per eating depend of time speed, or something of that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakura_sk Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 If a designed behavior leads to two different results, how is that not a bug? Also a video may show the problem but doesn't really help. A save file and full pc specs may help more. That is why a bug tracker exists where you can upload all info and describe the problem. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saraconor Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 There it is, i made new experiment with different count of critters. For correct, i clear all other critters on asteroid. This means big farms get more unstable than more you hawe critters. This is sad. So if i have farm with 200 pacu, 150 hatch, 200 pufts, some dreccons etc, then all they must starve cause there is issues in game mechanic or what, you expect farm must contain 2-10 creatures and no more?, devs can you comment this please? May be has a way to avoid that "checking all critters" every time after feeding? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lich46 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 17 hours ago, Tranoze said: Have you watch the main post video? He basically record the same setup, which basically in the whole map the amount of critters remain the same, and even though, in x3 speed, the pacu eat slower than the x1 speed. Sorry I didn't mention that. The stuck time I mean is REAL-WORLD time, not in-game time. Suppose your CPU can only handle(or status check) a certain number of critters every sec, but there are N critters on the map. It takes real-world time to complete the loop for all critters. If real-world delay is denoted as t=f(N), then in-game delay is ~n*f(N) at nx-speed, or 0 when paused. This may account for the result. To decrease in-game delay, you can reduce N(kill critters) or reduce n(switch to 1x game speed) 11 hours ago, saraconor said: There it is, i made new experiment with different count of critters. For correct, i clear all other critters on asteroid. This means big farms get more unstable than more you hawe critters. This is sad. So if i have farm with 200 pacu, 150 hatch, 200 pufts, some dreccons etc, then all they must starve cause there is issues in game mechanic or what, you expect farm must contain 2-10 creatures and no more?, devs can you comment this please? May be has a way to avoid that "checking all critters" every time after feeding? No, starving only happens to frequent eaters like pufts and algae-fed pacu. Hatchs, dreckos and seed-fed pacus eat much more each time and at a lower frequency, they should not suffer from starving. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 and now the big question, what is your fps at 1x and 3x speed as at 3x speed fps usually drops, and that makes also times longer more about timings issues info you can find here Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saraconor Posted August 22, 2022 Author Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, gabberworld said: and now the big question, what is your fps at 1x and 3x speed as at 3x speed fps usually drops, and that makes also times longer more about timings issues info you can find here I have 80 fps on 1x and 60 fps on 3x speed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1595352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 On 8/21/2022 at 9:23 AM, saraconor said: There it is, i made new experiment with different count of critters. For correct, i clear all other critters on asteroid. This means big farms get more unstable than more you hawe critters. This is sad. So if i have farm with 200 pacu, 150 hatch, 200 pufts, some dreccons etc, then all they must starve cause there is issues in game mechanic or what, you expect farm must contain 2-10 creatures and no more?, devs can you comment this please? May be has a way to avoid that "checking all critters" every time after feeding? What your experiment proves is that the code is optimized to skip processing in order to allow for useful game play. Back before Spaced Out, you could slow your machine to a crawl by having too many critters in your farm. Also, when you run at faster speeds, it means that there are more processing ticks per second, which can quickly bottleneck the CPU/RAM pipeline. The solution, then, is to skip some tasks once a certain bandwidth threshold is reached. There is an archived post somewhere that I wrote a long time ago, showing how open-room hydrogen/oxygen generation would affect game play vs doing the same thing in a closed room where there was less dispersal of the gasses and heat. On 8/22/2022 at 1:57 AM, gabberworld said: and now the big question, what is your fps at 1x and 3x speed as at 3x speed fps usually drops, and that makes also times longer more about timings issues info you can find here Cool. I hadn't seen a recent one since the debug code was removed. Thanks for pointing this out. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1596666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 by the way issue can be also inside the fish feeder. because game needs tell also for fish if there is food to eat or not. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/142727-strange-timing/#findComment-1596685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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