Masked Koopa Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Instead of giving her a speed boost while on marsh turf, why not give her a speed boost if she is wet? It would be nice to have a reason to try to stay wet as an amphibian like her, and give her a reason to hunt mosquitoes in the swamp for water balloons. The marsh turf speed boost is also way less useful now that cobblestones are so insanely cheap. Perhaps she could gain wetness from being on marsh turf so being inside the swamp still gives her a passive speed boost. It would also make her more consistent with other merms, since they notably have a very high walk speed when compared to pigs or bunnies, and are also always wet. Right now it feels like she has a tolerance to being wet rather than actively enjoying it. I'd also suggest wormwood perhaps be given something like HP or sanity regeneration since he should presumably also enjoy being watered. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Speaking of enjoying wetness. I would give her immunity to freezing from being wet. She enjoys playing in the rain naked but can literally die when exposed to it for too long without any thermal protection. Which makes no sense in my opinion given her biology. Tho i guess asking for a humanoid fish/amphibian to not be able freeze to death from rain might be too overpowered and balance breaking. /s Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leo920101 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 but wurt is always wet however the wetness is she has the tag of "moist" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroite Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Craft a boat Mount plank and jump off the boat (remember that Wurt doesnt have any health or inventory penality) ???? PROFIT !!! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamboyant wolf Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 sounds intresting, would possibly make Fashion melon and ice hat more useful as well Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 6 hours ago, ALCRD said: Which makes no sense in my opinion given her biology. Tho i guess asking for a humanoid fish/amphibian to not be able freeze to death from rain might be too overpowered and balance breaking. /s it does make sense since amphibious are cold blood animals and water absorbs a lot of heat (for that we sweat when overheat) and for that a lot of species of amphibious invernate (they have antifreeze in their blood) until cold ends, or simply die and the next generation take place wurt only needs to carry cold protection for few days Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopuleasa Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 fast while wet gang Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: it does make sense since amphibious are cold blood animals and water absorbs a lot of heat (for that we sweat when overheat) and for that a lot of species of amphibious invernate (they have antifreeze in their blood) until cold ends, or simply die and the next generation take place wurt only needs to carry cold protection for few days They only need that for winter weather when its very cold for them to handle. Amphibians do not die or feel any discomfort during Autumn and Spring season rain and temperatures from what i recall. In fact during such weather its when they come out often. I encountered a lot of frogs on my grandpas yard in my childhood years during such days. Wurt does sadly suffer in such weather when she in my opinion shouldn't given her biology. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, ALCRD said: They only need that for winter weather when its very cold for them to handle. Amphibians do not die or feel any discomfort during Autumn and Spring season rain and temperatures from what i recall. In fact during such weather its when they come out often. I encountered a lot of frogs on my grandpas yard in my childhood years during such days. Wurt does sadly suffer in such weather when she in my opinion shouldn't given her biology. as i said, until the cold ends, after they arent affected. Same with wurt, you only need thermal protection for arround the first 3 spring days Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: as i said, until the cold ends, after they arent affected. Same with wurt, you only need thermal protection for arround the first 3 spring days Huh? She freezes when fully wet not just in first 3 days of Spring from what i recall. I died on a pub as Wurt because of this once. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, ALCRD said: Huh? She freezes when fully wet not just in 3 days of early spring from what i recall. I died on a pub as Wurt because of this once. no at all. Only in the first days like every other character. Wetness reduces your temperature a little so when spring starts you can freeze cuz you are near the threshold of being freeze which is crosed by the wetness i can guarantee you that wurt doesnt freeze by wetness but by low temperature+wetness which only affects the very first days of spring. My springs are at 100 wetness all the time, even i started to clean the ruins+fw in spring to take advantage of morning star damage lol Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: no at all. Only in the first days like every other character. Wetness reduces your temperature a little so when spring starts you can freeze cuz you are near the threshold of being freeze which is crosed by the wetness i can guarantee you that wurt doesnt freeze by wetness but by low temperature+wetness which only affects the very first days of spring. My springs are at 100 wetness all the time, even i started to clean the ruins+fw in spring to take advantage of morning star damage lol Hmm maybe it was corrected or i remembered it wrong the latter more likely but i could have sworn it was like mid spring when i froze to death from rain. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Just now, ALCRD said: Hmm maybe it was corrected or i remembered it wrong the latter more likely but i could have sworn it was like mid spring when i froze to death from rain. they didnt change anything about it as far as i remember maybe a polar star/endothermic fire near or was early spring? because i think the caves have lower temperature than the surface and even there you cant freeze cuz wetness outside of very early spring and very late autumn+heavy rain, so impossible to freeze in the surface outside of these periods of time Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodlemanNed Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Going fast when wet would also transition nicely into giving wurt the ability to swim... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 16 hours ago, Masked Koopa said: Instead of giving her a speed boost while on marsh turf, why not give her a speed boost if she is wet? It would be nice to have a reason to try to stay wet as an amphibian like her, and give her a reason to hunt mosquitoes in the swamp for water balloons. The marsh turf speed boost is also way less useful now that cobblestones are so insanely cheap. Perhaps she could gain wetness from being on marsh turf so being inside the swamp still gives her a passive speed boost. It would also make her more consistent with other merms, since they notably have a very high walk speed when compared to pigs or bunnies, and are also always wet. Right now it feels like she has a tolerance to being wet rather than actively enjoying it. I'd also suggest wormwood perhaps be given something like HP or sanity regeneration since he should presumably also enjoy being watered. Honestly I would love this and while i don't think it'd be overpowered I would understand if we don't get it. She is starting to build up a lot of upsides. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1561985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Koopa Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Mysterious box said: Honestly I would love this and while i don't think it'd be overpowered I would understand if we don't get it. She is starting to build up a lot of upsides. While that's true I think people are quite accepting of her upsides since a lot of them require a fair amount of setup to attain + being a herbivore is a pretty big downside given how powerful so many sources of meat are. Either way this one is more of a compensation for the de-facto nerf of her marsh turf via cobblestones being made so cheap, Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1562173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Masked Koopa said: While that's true I think people are quite accepting of her upsides since a lot of them require a fair amount of setup to attain + being a herbivore is a pretty big downside given how powerful so many sources of meat are. Either way this one is more of a compensation for the de-facto nerf of her marsh turf via cobblestones being made so cheap, While strong meat based dishes are more easily accessible(at first) there do exist foods for her that are on par with their meat counterparts and while she still needs to find the swamp first and is nerfed hard in winter(respawns) I like the merm changes are pretty powerful on their own for someone who hasn't gotten the powers of the king yet. That being said I'll repeat I'm not against her getting bonuses from keeping wet in fact I'm all for it as it would be a very interesting and unique mechanic I'd love to see expanded on. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1562221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seero Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 22 hours ago, ALCRD said: Which makes no sense in my opinion given her biology. You sure? Amphibians are cold blooded would it be safe to say that Merms are cold blooded too? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1562229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 42 minutes ago, Seero said: You sure? Amphibians are cold blooded would it be safe to say that Merms are cold blooded too? Read the follow-up posts for an answer to that question. So i don't have to repeat or re-quote myself Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1562244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyroisshy Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 I'd rather see a new character designed around keeping wetness high. Modded characters like Womp the abyssal already prove the design of good when wet and bad when dry is fun, and I want to see Klei take a crack at it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1562294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Koopa Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, pyroisshy said: I'd rather see a new character designed around keeping wetness high. Modded characters like Womp the abyssal already prove the design of good when wet and bad when dry is fun, and I want to see Klei take a crack at it. While I do think it's an interesting concept, it would be a little difficult to justify that not being the character who is both an amphibian (known for needing moist skin pretty much at all times) and a member of a species where one of their traits is being literally always wet. I also don't foresee them adding too many more non-human characters since I get the impression people feel there are getting to be too many between WX, Webber (to a degree), Wortox, Wurt and Wormwood. And I don't see them adding a human who always wants to remain wet. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1562311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 7 hours ago, Masked Koopa said: being a herbivore is a pretty big downside *was since rwys farms isnt that big of a deal Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1562326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 7 hours ago, pyroisshy said: I'd rather see a new character designed around keeping wetness high. Modded characters like Womp the abyssal already prove the design of good when wet and bad when dry is fun, and I want to see Klei take a crack at it. Considering the merm always wet thing this would be a weird choice to overlook Wurt on at least in my opinion. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1562373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toroic Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 On 4/22/2022 at 8:11 AM, ArubaroBeefalo said: they didnt change anything about it as far as i remember maybe a polar star/endothermic fire near or was early spring? because i think the caves have lower temperature than the surface and even there you cant freeze cuz wetness outside of very early spring and very late autumn+heavy rain, so impossible to freeze in the surface outside of these periods of time Testing yesterday I was able to freeze as wurt pretty early into autumn with full wetness (5 days or less) You're correct though that with the amount of wetness she normally accumulates from rain you can ignore it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1562397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Toros said: Testing yesterday I was able to freeze as wurt pretty early into autumn with full wetness (5 days or less) really? hmm kinda weird because early autumn is just few days after summer so the temperature should be higher Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139499-give-wurt-a-speed-boost-while-wet/#findComment-1562400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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