Please continue to touch up characters that need it :)

[Stonetribe]

Wasn't quite sure whether to put this here or in general discussion, but amidst all this WX-78 discussion I just wanted to express my appreciation for the Wurt improvements. I've hardly even touched the character myself, but seeing Klei addressing some of these long standing issues for a character who's release has since come and gone out of the blue like this just makes me so happy and I really hope that they consider giving a little extra love to some other characters that could use it.

I'm sure that Winona would be most folk's first choice in terms of who's in most need for extra attention with maybe Walter coming in second, but personally I feel like Willow is considerably underwhelming compared to most other characters and it kind of baffles me with how rarely it's brought up. I mean don't get me wrong, her refresh was of course a massive improvement compared to the almost sorry state that she was in prior, but as time has gone on and more characters have been refreshed and released, I really feel like she's been left in the dust even though this is mainly a pve game and it isn't that important in the grand scheme of things. Am I just part of a small minority and am vastly underestimating how useful she can be? I'm genuinely curious if there's a consensus on this because it's been slowly driving me crazy for quite a while now.

[Masked Koopa]

I think willow is just generally unexciting enough to where people are not as invested in her being more than she currently is. The people who play her seem to be happy enough with her as she is, while pretty much every wurt player ever was gonna agree that there were some things that were in dire need of a touch-up.

[Ohan]

I dont play as willow a lot but i when i do i always have a lot fun particularly in pubs. Its true shes quite a simple character when u compare her to a monstrosity like wanda  but she still has her charms and i think shes one of the best picks for a beginner because of how tough she is. 

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Bernie protects against nightmares, standing on top burning trees covers winter with ease, slower to overheat and reduced damage from overheating covers summer, and her lighter is a handy backup light source for emergencies or when twigs and grass have all been picked in pubs and can be used to cook mushrooms and meat while exploring. 

that being said Bernie’s follower mechanics are really bad. He doesnt seem to be tethered to her like other followers. Jumping through wormholes, going down to the caves or simply outpacing him on a road means he gets left behind and u have to go back to find him. This is something that should be fixed asap. 

theres also the issue that BERNIE! becomes unusable in enlightenment areas. 

other than that willow’s character potential is mainly held back by how meh fire as a mechanic is in dst. Her immunity to fire damage would ideally mean she could use it in combat but most of the time thats not very practical least of all because most mobs that die while on fire drop ashes instead of their normal loot… 

i think a lot of people were hoping for Willow to get some new firey perks with her refresh but that didnt happen. Even though her cinematic introduced a really badass part of her character where shes at her strongest at low sanity, shown in the way she blew up the storage closet she was locked in when she got cornered by a terror beak. 

developing that idea of being strongest at low sanity further in the game and somehow involving fire would be awesome and really unique i think. 

[ShadowDuelist]

I was just talking about this how some characters, as the game and the other characters get changed, others slowly become redundant.

Take for example Woodie. Woodie by the time his rework showed was an amazing character, probably one of the best and many even claimed he was OP, even though it has a fair difficulty to use the wereforms right.

Ever since YOTB the utility of the goose for example has been drastically reduced since his speed is not really great to be used as a transport method: you’d always do better just using a beefalo. You can still explore the ocean quickly in the first few days, and find the island, but as sailing becomes better and easier for everyone (specially for characters like Wolfgang) that perk is slowly becoming overall stale. The goose is now a very early game thing, (and probably not even worth then) After that point you are sort of wasting time if you keep using it. Nightvision is likewise not something to write home about now with WX’s nightvision being super cheap to make in day 2 and without any con, as Woodie has.

And last but not least, as soon as the moonstorm is a thing, Woodie becomes pretty much unplayable. 
Transforming every night when the game is so advanced is not an advantage at all: you may use it for beavering a few days, but there will come a point when you want to do things and you will be interrupted for 1-2 minutes every single day, while also being super dangerous (specially during fights)

The recent change of his idols not spoiling was an amazing change, but still not good enough to compensate his problems. 
 

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If it was up to me I’d increase the movement speed of the goose to 1.55, give the beaver water immunity, give all the wereforms some new perk when exposed to direct full moon, and maybe give Woodie some late game way to prevent full moons turning him even if it still leaves him with some added con, like increased hunger during full moons for example.

Another example is Wortox. Wortox is a decent character, but as time goes on his flaws show more and more: he can’t tell who needs healing and who doesn’t, he can’t heal or teleport beefalos (which nowadays it doesn’t make any sense not to, since the bell teleports the beeefalo to you anyway) he can’t heal active followers, etc. There are many small things that could be capitalized into making him a much better support character with late game uses, that he currently lacks.

TL;DR: I too hope that slowly but steadily with each new update, as new mechanics are introduced, the devs check some of the mechanics of characters that got left behind.

[Left 4 Sharkb8]

3 hours ago, Masked Koopa said:

I think willow is just generally unexciting enough to where people are not as invested in her being more than she currently is. The people who play her seem to be happy enough with her as she is, while pretty much every wurt player ever was gonna agree that there were some things that were in dire need of a touch-up.

I think Willow is generally pretty alright. BERNIE! absolutely does provide some excitement and intrigue, but I think most people are simply against playing Willow due to her lack of very significant perks outside of Bernie, along with the social stigma that surrounds Willow players in public servers. I'm generally fine with where she is at the moment in all honesty, but I just don't play her a whole lot, as she's more there for when I want a simpler experience (This game kinda has a lot of simple characters...)

[Owlrust]

Warly could use some love too. Something just for himself that sets him apart from the other survivors and doesn't solidify his place as a Winona 2.0

[Mike23Ua]

I think Klei should focus on reworking the final three characters, and then maybe circling back around to touch them all up.

Klei knows that people enjoy character reworks, new characters and ports of existing dlc characters- AND if they ceased to do those kind of things, they would have to offer up some sort of other content to replace it..

I know there will someday defiantly come a day when DST stops getting updates- However… with the game not even a few weeks old on Nintendo Switch- those updates aren’t likely to stop any time soon.

And Minecraft has been around for 10+ years, continually getting free updates, I’m hoping the DS franchise can pull that same magic.

Id love to see for example: Wormwood getting new Plant Mobs to interact with in future content updates, and maybe a volcano like biome where Willows fire immunity and Wigfrids Fireproof scroll actually get some use.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 hour ago, Owlrust said:

Warly could use some love too. Something just for himself that sets him apart from the other survivors and doesn't solidify his place as a Winona 2.0

winona doesnt have interesting things, just an annoying hunger drain everytime you make a rope and few catapults in certain spots while warly has a wide variety of perks in the form of dishes and an interesting downside to play with

maybe he could get extended time on his buffs but i will be sad if klei ends up trivializing his downside (which isnt that hard with how much tools he has: extra damage, extra armor, extra healing with salt...) just to make happy people that cant accept that some players uses him as a tool instead of having fun with him

[Owlrust]

1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

some players

*Most players*

Tbh, Warly really has nothing for himself. Everyone can have his food bundled, and other characters get buffs, abilities, or special items that give them unique personal perks unaccessible to other characters. Winona and Warly have identities as swap characters and as tools for other characters because anyone can have their perks.

Walter has his Slingshot, Willow has Bernie, Wendy has Abigail, Maxwell has his puppets, Wortox has his souls, Wurt has Craftmerms, Wickerbottom has her books, Webber has Spiders, Wigfrid has songs, Wolfgang has strength and dumbbells, Wanda has shard-swapping teleports, Wormwood has farming, and WX has their extremely powerful circuits.

Warly can cook on the go, but that's about it, and it's rarely more useful than cooking at base, that's why you often see bases where portable crockpots line the kitchen alongside normal crockpots. He can cook faster over a fire, but so can Walter and Willow, and Willow can even cook on the go with her lighter. He gets less benefits from repeated foods. His food can just be bundled in bulk for other players. And the Chef Pouch is very under-powered compared to other preserving options. His downsides are really interesting, but that's really all he has, downsides. His best perk is letting other characters use his recipes for the characters they actually want to play, I don't even mean that in a sarcastic way that's just the flat-out truth.

Nothing wrong with a challenge character if they're at least fun to play, Wanda is both and she's played very often. At this point Warly is just a tool. I would wager the only people who main Warly, myself included, only play him for admiration of his aesthetic and concept rather than his utility. 

It's not fair for me to criticize if I'm not going to at least offer some ideas or solutions that would make him stand out as his own character. He could:

- Use a razor to slice 1x meat into 2x morsels for better cooking.

- Get an extra serving of food whenever he cooks from his portable crockpot to share with other players.

- Make the Chef Pouch better and exclusive to him to make transporting ingredients and foods much better than in an Insulated Pack.

- Reheat/Recook foods to restore some freshness.

- Get a larger variety of spices that use accessible materials such as Cactus Flesh, Pigskin, Monster Meat, Reeds, etc to justify keeping the Grinding Mill and Portable Seasoner on his person. With many options you would benefit from having a Warly on your team.

- Or maybe even bring back his increased bonus to crockpot foods.

I don't expect any of this to make it in-game, and I definitely don't blame anyone for how Warly is, but I just wanted to show that there's a lot he could do that would make him stand-out as his own character instead of just a swap. He just needs a little love.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

16 minutes ago, Owlrust said:

- Get a larger variety of spices that use accessible materials such as Cactus Flesh, Pigskin, Monster Meat, Reeds, etc to justify keeping the Grinding Mill and Portable Seasoner on his person. With many options you would benefit from having a Warly on your team.

that is something we saw with the addition of salt and we can expect more spice coming with future materials or atleast we can hope that like how we can expect new future warly exclusive dishes with the addition of new ingredients. The more variety the better

16 minutes ago, Owlrust said:

- Or maybe even bring back his increased bonus to crockpot foods.

 

i dont see the need of this...

16 minutes ago, Owlrust said:

- Make the Chef Pouch better and exclusive to him to make transporting ingredients and foods much better than in an Insulated Pack.

maybe it could be a head slot "backpack" item which would fit aesthetically and would help with his ingredients and dishes, honestly, the only """"problem"""" warly has is inventory management if the player wanna take advantage of all his buffs and dishes without killing BQ (that in other hand is one of the easies characters to kill her by just pressing F in spring with jelly+garlic spice applied in other dish...) 

 

16 minutes ago, Owlrust said:

Tbh, Warly really has nothing for himself.

the ability of making every time he wishes his dishes instead of mass farming food to mass cook them and change to another character. As i said, could be cool to have extended buff timers for those who care about how """most players""" play

and dont forget, warly has something really cool and fun for himself: his unique downside which makes playing with him unique instead of being another wilson clon with steroids which is how will end up with things like bonus stats from crockpots (which i will never understand when he doesnt even need much healing in most fights cuz his dishes and spices...)

 

warly is one of the most interesting characters, will be a shame to ruin him just because "other people exploit portal". i would ever prefer a nerf in the portal (i dont use it outside of counted occasions) than nerfing his downside

[Stonetribe]

10 hours ago, Ohan said:

that being said Bernie’s follower mechanics are really bad. He doesnt seem to be tethered to her like other followers. Jumping through wormholes, going down to the caves or simply outpacing him on a road means he gets left behind and u have to go back to find him. This is something that should be fixed asap.

Yeah, I know that most people at least agree that Bernie's a bit janky. Really hope that they get around to being able to pocket him while he's hulked out. I'd also really like it if he had his own health meter like Abigail does and if we could use a sewing kit on him while he's still active. That could let us save inventory space from carrying multiple bears at the risk of being vulnerable to shadows if you fail to patch him up in time.

 

10 hours ago, Ohan said:

i think a lot of people were hoping for Willow to get some new firey perks with her refresh but that didnt happen. Even though her cinematic introduced a really badass part of her character where shes at her strongest at low sanity, shown in the way she blew up the storage closet she was locked in when she got cornered by a terror beak. 

It really is a damn shame that Willow's fire related perks have taken a backseat to the bear, especially with how one track minded 80% of her quotes are. As much as I hate to admit it though, it's probably for the best. Not saying that more fire perks couldn't be executed well, but encouraging players to frequently make use of a  mechanic that's as destructive as it is is bound to cause problems in a multiplayer game like this. Although, I've always thought that it'd be great if WIllow was entirely immune to overheating instead of just slightly, and now that WX can achieve the same thing (albeit with giving up circuit slots of course) I want it even more now.

 

8 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said:

The recent change of his idols not spoiling was an amazing change, but still not good enough to compensate his problems

Having the Kitschy Idols not spoil anymore really does make accessing Woodie's transformations a lot more convenient and I kind of wish that Willow could get a similar improvement with Bernie. I know that it isn't hard to carry a few green caps with you and you don't even have to worry about eating them when they start to go stale and spoiled, but I was considering what it'd be like if you could just immediately drop your sanity to zero and summon Bernie at will. It could executed by equipping him in the hand slot and clicking on Willow like with how Wolfgang uses his dumbells. Maybe it could even have a cute little animation where she swings him around by his tiny little bear arms before dropping him on the ground where said bear arms proceed to become considerably less tiny. I guess that might make her too good at gathering nightmare fuel though, so yeah I dunno, just wanted to share it anyways.

[Pumking7]

9 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Take for example Woodie. Woodie by the time his rework showed was an amazing character, probably one of the best and many even claimed he was OP, even though it has a fair difficulty to use the wereforms right.

I do remember a time when his abilities felt really fresh and versatile, and were fun to play with. However as time went on it kind of became clear that each wereforms niche was annoying to activate early game, but not rewarding enough late game to use regularly. This along with the fact that Lucy has no real connection to his playstyle anymore, and how moonstorms are just awful for him.

So I have been thinking about to solve all these problems at once, and I thought as a lumberjack could Woodie use his skills to create totem poles/wood effigies to either induce/ward off his were powers. There could be one effigy made of living logs, boards and monster meat, and when interacting with the structure it would let goose be faster, beaver be more efficient, and moose be allowed to regen, for about a day or so. The other one I was thinking of could be made of charged moonglass, boards, and moon blossoms, and when interacted with it would allow woodie to be immune to full moons during moonstorms for about 2 days. 

This would solve many of Woodie's problems during mid-late game, and make Lucy purposeful again (give her more quotes too)

 

6 hours ago, Owlrust said:

Warly could use some love too. Something just for himself that sets him apart from the other survivors and doesn't solidify his place as a Winona 2.0

My problem with Warly is how his dishes either have specific niches that are only useful in certain scenarios, or give subpar stats for the ingredients needed. Since all characters can use the crockpot the same way Warly can, it doesn't benefit the team to have the fancy red crockpot for it's 25% faster cooking speed. I wish Warly could receive more dishes that would be cheap and help the team early, or allow him to make efficient dishes when crockpots aren't available. This makes Warly's chef dishes help the team early, and not be needed as a switch character as often, for why would you switch to make slightly better pierogi, when pierogi can be made super easily later game.

 

3 hours ago, Owlrust said:

Use a razor to slice 1x meat into 2x morsels for better cooking... etc

I really like these suggestions you gave him, really defines his position as a chef better for the only culinary talent he has cooking food faster, is taken by Willow and Walter who haven't spent a single day in the kitchen.

[ShadowDuelist]

1 hour ago, Stonetribe said:

I was considering what it'd be like if you could just immediately drop your sanity to zero and summon Bernie at will

Some Willow mains at my server just hoard glommer goop from day 11 and on. Goop lowers your sanity to zero almost instantly and also heals Willow by a bunch. It doesn't spoil either.

[Cheggf]

12 hours ago, Owlrust said:

Warly could use some love too. Something just for himself that sets him apart from the other survivors and doesn't solidify his place as a Winona 2.0

Him having doubled duration on food effects would be really fun and decently useful, but not this super powerful thing. It would enable him to better use some of his dishes like fish cordon bleu and vgcf. I've always wanted him to have this more than anything else.

It would also be a nice little qol if he could combine garlic and pepper spices making a chef's spice which is just both of their effects.

8 hours ago, Owlrust said:

Use a razor to slice 1x meat into 2x morsels for better cooking.

Get a larger variety of spices that use accessible materials such as Cactus Flesh, Pigskin, Monster Meat, Reeds, etc to justify keeping the Grinding Mill and Portable Seasoner on his person. With many options you would benefit from having a Warly on your team.

These sound really fun. That morsel one would tie in especially well with his repeat downside.

[Masked Koopa]

11 hours ago, Owlrust said:

or to slice 1x meat into 2x morsels for better cooking.

- Get an extra serving of food whenever he cooks from his portable crockpot to share with other players.

- Make the Chef Pouch better and exclusive to him to make transporting ingredients and foods much better than in an Insulated Pack.

- Reheat/Recook foods to restore some freshness.

- Get a larger variety of spices that use accessible materials such as Cactus Flesh, Pigskin, Monster Meat, Reeds, etc to justify keeping the Grinding Mill and Portable Seasoner on his person. With many options you would benefit from having a Warly on your team.

- Or maybe even bring back his increased bonus to crockpot foods.

I don't really have a strong take on warly either way but a lot of these don't sound like they'll really fix the issues people are claiming right now. Slicing meat, extra servings, reheating food. more spices - all of these wouldn't really move the needle from warly being used as a swap character for cooking. Maybe they'd make playing him more enjoyable in the early game or w/e, but they're hardly resolutions to the issues people are bringing up.