Dont nerf wx78

[Copyafriend]

I just want to mention, that if we get lowered to 100 of each stat, we’d be losing a third of our stats.

which i think is good overall, progression of strength and all that.

but we need to have enough circuit slots to actually be reasonably strong post upgrades while still retaining a level of freedom. 

therefore i would argue that one extra slot is not worth a third of our maximum stats. Im contradicting my original statement on the matter, as I originally said that i would sacrifice the stats for one extra slots, but ive thought about it more and come to a different conclusion.

eight feels fair. If we lose a third of our stats, we should at least get 33% more slots.(assuming a small of each stat will be added costing 1 each) We wouldn’t be able to get exactly 150 without a net negative, but it would still push us to make choices on what we want. Some people will just go maximum speed plus whatever is left over but frankly theres no stopping them, you would have to cap the speed to stop them, because nothing would be good enough to compete. At least this way we can all use the six slot combos and choose one stat to upgrade really well, or two to upgrade modestly. 
 

i was shooting for nine before, but thats mostly because i like odd numbers to encourage the use of weird combos. But seven is too restrictive if we lose our stats, and overall would just feel like a nerf to wx.

[Random Guy000]

100 stats would just be very annoying both in terms of gameplay and balancing, please dont do that

[Baark0]

the worst feeling for me would to have my favourite character needlessly nerfed because people on the internet are trying to balance a pve survival sandbox game like a competitive moba

[ArubaroBeefalo]

34 minutes ago, Baark0 said:

the worst feeling for me would to have my favourite character needlessly nerfed because people on the internet are trying to balance a pve survival sandbox game like a competitive moba

? nobody tries to balance in that way, just make things interesting...

[Cvmoote]

His stats are average and that's fine. No need to nerf him

[Mike23Ua]

What I don’t get is why Wolfgang was hit with so many changes, complete removal of speed.. gaining might being a literal workout, losing might being easy to do, not removing the suffering moments of vulnerability in between stage transformations..

MEANWHILE we got Funny Robot with infinite night vision going Vroom around the map.. Am I just not getting it or something?

Wolfgang got hit with some balance nerfs so then why wouldn’t WX? I don’t want any character (including Wendy or Wanda) to be too strong.. they need to have a decent balance we can’t compare old WX to new WX because Old WX was broken.. instead..

We need to compare New WX to Reworked Wolfgang.. and then Reworked again, (and again..) Wolfgang- Now Wolf is in a decent spot.. but we shouldn’t want any single character Over/Under performing.

In the end though, my opinion probably doesn’t matter, I just hope WX doesn’t end up becoming the only character people pick because why pick anyone else..?

[maradyne]

I'd really like to see this, actually. More focus on that feeling of progression as you play longer with him; it's what made gear vacuum WX appealing...before multiplayer happened and made that feel kind of yikes.

[Copyafriend]

46 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

 

In the end though, my opinion probably doesn’t matter, I just hope WX doesn’t end up becoming the only character people pick because why pick anyone else..?

He wont be, because right now, at this current moment, hes slightly undertuned. He’s fun because freedom of choice and all, but when we have characters that can teleport across the map or soul hop and drop healing like a millionaire drops hundred dollar bills, or transform into a weremoose and do endgame weapons of damage with endgame weapons of damage resistance (59 and 90%) WHILE having night vision, or do double damage, or cook meals that lets any player do from  2ishx damage to 3ishx damage(warlys spiced electric jelly) or summoning an aoe minion that heals itself and is stronger than 50% of the normal enemies all on its own, or summons what is effectively a tree guard to protect you while insane or... i think i made my point. Wxs BIG upgrades, the stuff you’re acting like a big deal, is speed and the ability to see in the dark, literally just what he had before the rework. He got nerfed. But also buffed because its reliable now. But he’s not overpowered. A lantern is two ropes and some light bulbs, glowing or seeing in the dark is powerful and useful. But it does not make him overpowered. Nothing about his kit is THAT GOOD.

[Left 4 Sharkb8]

4 hours ago, Copyafriend said:

Some people will just go maximum speed plus whatever is left over but frankly theres no stopping them, you would have to cap the speed to stop them, because nothing would be good enough to compete. 

I mean changing the number of slots won't really affect the use of speed past 3 of the 2.0 circuits because of diminishing returns. 4 Acceleration 2.0 Circuits would give you 55% bonus speed, and 3 of them gives you 50%... 

 

The only reason I'd want more circuit slots (which I don't) would be more electrification circuits, because Bee Queen must feel the highest order of pain imaginable.

[goblinball]

2 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

just make things interesting...

How in any way does reducing stats to 100 each make anything more interesting or fun? I’m all for adding an extra slot, maybe 2 if you wanna be generous, but you are severely underestimating how annoying having base 100 stats will be.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

7 minutes ago, goblinball said:

How in any way does reducing stats to 100 each make anything more interesting or fun? I’m all for adding an extra slot, maybe 2 if you wanna be generous, but you are severely underestimating how annoying having base 100 stats will be.

because why i would pick any stat module if im already playing as wilson? im more in the downside route but if they won't add any interesting downside maybe having DS stats would be more interesting than wilson with addons

just my preference, you dont have to like it..

[ALCRD]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

MEANWHILE we got Funny Robot with infinite night vision going Vroom around the map.. Am I just not getting it or something?

It's simple:

Machine > Human

There is no strength in flesh, only weakness.

[00petar00]

4 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

What I don’t get is why Wolfgang was hit with so many changes, complete removal of speed.. gaining might being a literal workout, losing might being easy to do, not removing the suffering moments of vulnerability in between stage transformations..

MEANWHILE we got Funny Robot with infinite night vision going Vroom around the map.. Am I just not getting it or something?

Wolfgang got hit with some balance nerfs so then why wouldn’t WX? I don’t want any character (including Wendy or Wanda) to be too strong.. they need to have a decent balance we can’t compare old WX to new WX because Old WX was broken.. instead..

We need to compare New WX to Reworked Wolfgang.. and then Reworked again, (and again..) Wolfgang- Now Wolf is in a decent spot.. but we shouldn’t want any single character Over/Under performing.

In the end though, my opinion probably doesn’t matter, I just hope WX doesn’t end up becoming the only character people pick because why pick anyone else..?

WX-78 was severely nerfed if you consider how he was when he was overcharged permanently by Wickerbottom with end is nigh. While he has accessibility to his own power now and isn't reliant on her anymore, so this was a really good change, i still think he needs some small buffs/tuning and i don't think he should be as strong as he was before, as that was just too much.

While speed is one of the best stats in the game, there's no reason not to have characters that have some perks around it.

While there should be balance between characters, it shouldn't be be balanced like a MOBA, some character's perks will always seem weaker, there's no reason to nerf all characters to match that. 

If you are planning to play for hundreds of days on a single world, there's really no reason to pick anyone else except Wanda, the only reason she isn't more popular is because she is a DLC character and not everyone has her.