[Suggestion] Renewable seeds for berry bushes, grass tufts and saplings

[goatt]

For sake of renewing berry bushes and grass tufts, (sapling aren't that important bc twiggy tree). We have more game content than before to work with. The secondary goal is to make it more incentive to kill less popular mini bosses more than once.

- berry seeds dropped from the lord of fruit fly. I think it makes sense fruit fly lord drops 2 berry seeds since she's "fruit" fly lord. It also makes it more incentive for those who don't farm to fight her.

- grass seeds dropped from ewecus (sheep). Or alternatively, dropped by killing goats that are fed with grass. This allows to create a goat+gecko farm or goat+grass farm to farm extra grass tufts. (Goats eating grass is like gobblers eating berries off ground or off bushes). Seeds drop rate can be properly adjusted according to goat's respawn rate in herd.

- or alternatively, berry seeds and grass seeds can be found in sunken chests (because previous colonizers had sunken their ship with alien plant seeds in it such as grass seeds and berry seeds).

- maybe add an restriction that those seeds can only be planted on farm at first time unless wormwood.

- you can eat the berry seeds, not grass seeds.

- sapling seeds. can't think of anything.

[PetulantPansy]

It'd be great if grass geckos dropped tufts upon death. There's a ton of grass tufts in each world but outside of a very specific set of parameters in the spawn area, the overall number of tufts only goes down as the world ages. 

[SuperDonuts]

Failed quote: sapling seeds. can't think of anything.

Chopping a small tree could have a low chance (5%) of dropping them. It would make a reason to do it.

[goatt]

1 hour ago, SuperDonuts said:

Chopping a small tree could have a low chance (5%) of dropping them.

I was thinking about 1.33%, same rate as treeguards

[SinancoTheBest]

I'd just love a limited resource replenishing sea treasure like the following one added:  

[ArubaroBeefalo]

maybe the mandrake forest can get some love and become a real magical forest where live spreads giving the perk of being a place which has an special regrowth mechanic where all kind of plants respawn after certain time similar to how works the portal in endless world but also adding alive mandrakes and every kind of berry bush

[SuperDonuts]

4 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

maybe the mandrake forest can get some love and become a real magical forest where live spreads giving the perk of being a place which has an special regrowth mechanic where all kind of plants respawn after certain time similar to how works the portal in endless world but also adding alive mandrakes and every kind of berry bush

It should come with a cost or a quest / boss fight late game oriented. But the idea is nice.

[Mantispidae]

Grass geckos/ Grass gators should both have the ability to drop grass tufts. The geckos can have a low rate, and the gators a higher one to reflect their increased difficulty in finding and farming. Since grass geckos can actively replace grass tufts over time, having them have a low chance to 'refund' that or even potentially increase the number of grass tufts in the world with a bit of luck would be a good system. It's limited, but still gives players at least something to work with.

Berry seeds from Lord of Fruit Fly isn't a bad idea, maybe berry bushes themselves could have a small chance to provide a sprig (some plants can be replanted from just a cut of an existing plant) on harvest at a low rate (equal or less than the stone fruit) so an existing number of them kept safe could replicate at a slow rate.

Im fine with saplings mostly because twiggy trees do exist and reliably provide the same resources, even though saplings are largely preferred. 

[MondayNight]

What are you people doing to your worlds to remain without any Berry Bushes, Saplings and Grass Tufts?!? Seriously!

In all my >6k h of pub game-plays never have I encountered a world devoided of such resources. Never! Not even KLei official pubs infested by griefers have this issue. In Endless they re-spawn even if some theoretical griefer would roam land and burn each-and-every such bush (also a griefer doing so would be pretty mental and an epitome of ineffectiveness - there are hundreds of Berry/Saplings/Tufts per world, Forest & Cave shards alike), and Survival worlds don't survive for long (plus, in Survival, they are "re-supplied" around Gate). All that remains are personal Survival worlds some people may play for very long time and in a very inefficient manner to have all above-mentioned resources destroyed: either careless Summer trips all over map, faulty farms prone to fires, or actively using those resources as fuel for whatever reason. To which point is not a KLei renewability problem but a player's game-play one. Not to mention Sunken Chests loot table already is poor, having another "garbage" variant will only exacerbate this particular treasures' matter.

 

But regarding Species Seedlings, yeah, that wouldn't step on any loot or mechanics' "toes" I reckon.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

51 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

What are you people doing to your worlds to remain without any Berry Bushes, Saplings and Grass Tufts?!? Seriously!

you still dont get the point. Is to have more for decoration, not because we lose them...

[MondayNight]

3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

you still dont get the point. Is to have more for decoration, not because we lose them...

How much you can decorate to need more of the hundreds of mentioned Bushes per world?

Also how many Mega-basers you believe there are in all bulk player-base to justify KLei into making new mechanics to address their "1st world" problem specifically? More-so since, as a Mega-baser on your private personal server (pubs can't handle them no matter how powerful their data centers are, and the communities out there atm that have tried it can attest), you can just "c_spawn("dug_berrybush",100)" all day, any day?!

[ArubaroBeefalo]

30 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

How much you can decorate to need more of the hundreds of mentioned Bushes per world?

Also how many Mega-basers you believe there are in all bulk player-base to justify KLei into making new mechanics to address their "1st world" problem specifically? More-so since, as a Mega-baser on your private personal server (pubs can't handle them no matter how powerful their data centers are, and the communities out there atm that have tried it can attest), you can just "c_spawn("dug_berrybush",100)" all day, any day?!

i need thousands or millions, ok?

enough mega-basers to justify adding a moon-late-game-boss that provides us with infinity light in one of the biggest updates of the last year as example of how profitable is for  Klei to improve the base-building-experience of their costumers

also spawning things via console commands is not engaging, is cheating and is annoying because later you post a screenshot in the shrines-and-base-decorations thread and certain user without nothing better-to-do comes to annoy saying things like "these bases arent legit" even if nobody who participate in that topic cares

We suggest and Klei decides like how they decided to add filters to help the bulk player-base even if no one suggest that or how someone suggest deconstructing beequeen hat to get honeycombs to be used in other user suggestion like was using honeycombs refined as wax to keep giant veggies as decorative statues forever

 

[MondayNight]

11 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i need thousands or millions, ok?

Your PC won't be able to handle that many entities on screen (will have seconds-long delays for every taken action or straight-up freeze the game). It just proves you haven't tried that, only hyperbole for the sake of it. And is not ok, neither.

 

11 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

enough mega-basers to justify adding a moon-late-game-boss that provides us with infinity light in one of the biggest updates of the last year as example of how profitable is for  Klei to improve the base-building-experience of their costumers

Lunar Arc ("Return of Them"), as any other arc, was supposed to have an end-content boss. Likewise, Enlightened Crown deconstruction came more as a subsequent reword for CC take-down since the singular loot was met by most with mixed reactions. It was a compensation. More-so, people in general wanted infinite light sources for bases, not "mega-basers" in particular; hence KLei going the route of having infinite Shards light was a fair choice in general. Mega-base players are in fact in a tiny minority. Catering to them with particular updates/mechanics? KLei's choice of well-spent-time.. or not. And only they can quantify the payout.

 

11 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

also spawning things via console commands is not engaging, is cheating and is annoying because later you post a screenshot in the shrines-and-base-decorations thread and certain user without nothing better-to-do comes to annoy saying things like "these bases arent legit" even if nobody who participate in that topic cares

We suggest and Klei decides like how they decided to add filters to help the bulk player-base even if no one suggest that or how someone suggest deconstructing beequeen hat to get honeycombs to be used in other user suggestion like was using honeycombs refined as wax to keep giant veggies as decorative statues forever

Yeah, I get it you're annoyed by my comments on those particular posts from a long time ago, of spawned-in elements, but that's you. That's your way of reacting, of feeling down-or-annoyed someone criticized your-or-others (you like) work for whatever reason. It's ok, and it shouldn't deter you (or others) from doing so - using console - in future. Criticism and detractors will always be. If you can't handle certain opposition, like with my case, is simple: hover over my avatar and you'll be presented with the "Ignore User" option, as I wrote in past. Abuse it in regards to anyone that irks your fancies for imperative peace-of-mind. No need to be passive-aggressive and/or parody one's way of text formatting and line of thinking just because you don't seem to have a better grasp of your dislike options or interacting ways.

Remains to be seen what the effect of new Crafting UI will be in bulk player-base, with said rather-confusing filters (with strange duplicates - Morning Star in Light par example), extra clicks, big size etc. From what I saw on various Discord servers... mixed reactions. Same for suggestions, and how some of them will be implemented. My pov, once-more: Special Seedlings from picking plants - very welcomed, natural. Additional and competing loot table for Sunken Chests - not so much. Cheers!

[SecretPizzaMan]

2 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

you can just "c_spawn("dug_berrybush",100)" all day, any day?!

Not really a option in console edition. However this can be sidestepped using endless.

[SomebodyRandom]

3 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

Your PC won't be able to handle that many entities on screen (will have second-delays for every taken action or straight-up freeze the game). It just proves you haven't tried that, only hyperbole for the sake of it. And is not ok, neither.

As if we'd use all those saplings/grass tufts/berry bushes for one area and one area alone when we have an entire world to decorate. I generated an entire world, I'm gonna use an entire world!

[Mantispidae]

6 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

What are you people doing to your worlds to remain without any Berry Bushes, Saplings and Grass Tufts?!? Seriously!

It's rare that all of these things get wiped, because they do (slowly) replicate, but It still wouldn't be bad to have a means of letting people naturally expand on another resource- especially if they did take care of the ones they have. It's entirely possible for even well managed worlds too lose /some/ of these things to just general play like fires or gecko spawns, so having ways to make it back isn't a bad idea at all.

In the case of things like more limited resources, having ways to recoop losses also makes people less likely to rollback.. If you can realistically earn back a lost resource with effort and time, hitting the back button is a little less of an appealing option for a lot of people. It also makes people a little less likely to strip the world of every bush and tuft and dump them in one spot, because you can potentially set up a smaller section and then make it bigger over time as you collect more.

As long as it was limited enough that people don't end up with chests full of the things, a small way to expand would be perfectly fine

[MondayNight]

2 hours ago, SecretPizzaMan said:

Not really a option in console edition. However this can be sidestepped using endless.

The consoles' issue is broader, and KLei would need to invest time-and-resources into making special interfaces for enabling Console Commands on them too I suppose, if they so choose - at least that would be the fair way in regards to PC gaming, ideally. Realistically though, if people want best game-play experience, PC remains "king". For now, on consoles, as you and me both underlined, Endless exists - a simple, on-hand solution. But it seems at least some of the people commenting on all-resources renewability want to play Survival but still benefit from Endless settings - and that's a them-problem, frankly. "I want to have my cake but eat it too" type from said pov.

 

7 minutes ago, SomebodyRandom said:

As if we'd use all those saplings/grass tufts/berry bushes for one area and one area alone when we have an entire world to decorate. I generated an entire world, I'm gonna use an entire world!

I suppose there are a select few people doing that? I for one have never seen such a world, completely "terraformed" in an advanced degree you hint at in all the time I play since Beta DST onward. Not on random personal servers I visited, nor on dedicated community ones. Not even in video presentations from YT. (Btw, I would appreciate a link for such presentation if anyone has and wanna share, ty in advance!) I reckon sole people in latter category I saw attempting an endeavor of such magnitude are that lad with a Webber avatar in Ruins gear I believe, recurrently active on these forums (sadly I don't remember appellatives in general), plus Glemz (or what's the correct nick) - and even them usually, from their demos I sparsely saw, have only areas of interest (PK forest, Oasis, etc) made into big "anthropogenic" modifications, with connecting-roads sporting some form of decorative elements. But not the entirety of the World, or even a majority. As for mentioned modified areas of interest, the core of designs, yes: powerful high-end PCs still lag inside them. That's why I don't think balancing game mechanics around such theoretical "mythic unicorns" (world-size mega-basers) is a valid way to go at OP's topic. But as a compromise with all player-base in mind, if KLei were really willing to give an ear to Berry Bushes/Grass Tufts/Saplings regeneration in Survival context, Special Seedlings would be best route.

[SomebodyRandom]

49 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

suppose there are a select few people doing that? I for one have never seen such a world, completely "terraformed" in an advanced degree you hint at in all the time I play since Beta DST onward. Not on random personal servers I visited, nor on dedicated community ones. Not even in video presentations from YT. (Btw, I would appreciate a link for such presentation if anyone has and wanna share, ty in advance!) I reckon sole people in latter category I saw attempting an endeavor of such magnitude are that lad with a Webber avatar in Ruins gear I believe, recurrently active on these forums (sadly I don't remember appellatives in general), plus Glemz (or what's the correct nick)

Due to decorating every single inch of the main island being such a monumental task, it's hardly documented and I doubt I can find any sort of video demonstrating such thing. But from speaking with fellow megabasers and hearing their thoughts, the end goal is likely always gonna be to eventually decorate every inch of the map. For example, Glermz strategy is to start with more important areas like you described, that being Pig King, Oasis, and others, but the end goal still remains to eventually decorate every last inch of the Constant.

As it stands, due to how unreliable renewing resources like berry bushes, grass tufts, and saplings currently is, most megabasers resort to something we've nicknamed a "Loot World", where we take advantage of Dedicated Servers having access to more than 2 shards at once and create a separate forest or caves shard that has every resource we need set to a higher amount and we take the resources from that shard. Although that's not a terrible, it's unfortunate for most people who don't have access to dedicated servers and can't make loot worlds, therefore being stuck with what they have.

Jazzy also comes to mind when talking about this, as I recall he once made an entire Loot World solely for Bees and Berry Bushes before you could deconstruct Bee Queen Crowns for more honeycombs and he even shared his Loot World save on the Dedicated Server forums because leafy berry bushes variants were removed from spawning outside of set pieces and he still had the leafy variants in his Loot World.

[Masked Koopa]

I mean I think it's worth pointing out that a lot of players probably would also prefer to build up their supply themselves instead of pillaging the entire world for their berry bushes.

Either way I don't think it would be too much work to just add some mechanic akin to stone fruit, which klei has made extra sure cannot be made extinct what with stonefruit falling in earthquakes. Just add a chance for berries to give back a seed when fed to a beefalo or something, or make them able to be grown in farm plots but they demand a lot of fertilizer to grow.

I think grass gators dropping tufts sounds like a great idea, given their size, and it would make gators more than just a source of leafy meat.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

18 hours ago, SomebodyRandom said:

leafy berry bushes variants were removed from spawning outside of set pieces

srly? why? dont tell me klei wasted time doing such horrible change while we have been waiting for fixes in important things (and some of them arent even included in this last big qol update)

[Maxil20]

Bit of a tangent from the thread (I do agree that resources should at least be renewable somewhat in survival), but I feel like it might be important to discuss a bit of how endless regrowth works, since it’s fairly confusing/misunderstood and can actually be surprisingly good for resource sustainability if you can properly understand it.

Endless regrowth occurs near spawners, or more specifically, the celestial portal and every wilderness spawn point (while these are primarily used for wilderness to determine the spawns of those areas, they are present in every world). The world passively spawns a few grass turfs, berry bushes, and (more rarely) saplings at these spawn points. This leads to small clumps of resources in specific areas rather then spread out evenly across the world.

I dug out most of my resources in my world for future projects, and as a result it’s fairly easy for me to determine where my spawn points are. I can pretty consistently head to every spawner I know about and get ~15 grass tufts, ~15 berry bushes, ~5-10 juicy berries, and ~2-5 saplings. They also seem to respawn at said points really quickly and in any season, as my spawner locations are usually restocked every 10 days or so.

Overall, it’s an alright method of renewing resources in endless, and especially berry bushes, which I wasn’t really expecting. I still think it would be nice to see survival methods of renewability (especially since saplings seem really rare for endless regrowth), but since I normally play endless for the resource regrowth, it does an alright job.