Yuuko Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 I just wanna post this and see what people think, and what people are doing. Every game has different goals, and I had two goals in these few games. Boat around to explore early, and start up a garden. ----------------------------------------------------------- A few people had mentioned boating with just a driftwood oar - this intrigued me as it meant I could probably start boating a LOT earlier than if I wanted to set up a sail, anchor, steering, etc. I was surprised to find this felt like a decent speed, probably favorable to sailing if you consider the agility of switching directions to gather loot as you pass. I easily accumulated enough drift wood to both keep me equipped with new oars as well as firewood to continue boating at night. What I found was I could generally cover about half the boarder of the map in about 9 days, which I'd say is a comparable time to a thorough exploration on foot. Unfortunately this isn't great as you probably haven't revealed the locations of each biome yet, and its a coin toss on lunar island. The pros is that I could have my alchemy machine down immediately, and had virtually unlimited inventory as I could litter the boat with things as I briefly gathered needed resources as I passed them. Has anyone else boated for early exploration - what are your pros and cons of it? What types of advantages do you see this bringing over land exploration? Do you find it favors solo or group play? ----------------------------------------------------------- Another thing I've been trying is early gardening. Basically I try to get a garden plot down early and full of seeds. I have read up a bit on gardening but haven't actually done much of it since I play mostly solo and the natural food resources are typically overly abundant. Typically blue caps, carrots, and berries easily carry me until I've started building up stockpiles of meats. I decided to start going for a garden though. If I explore the lands first I find I only get a garden going with raw seeds in time for 1 harvest before winter. Crops change with the season and not all seeds remain useful. One harvest is certainly not enough food to go around, and after I've dumped my raw seeds I only have crop specific seeds left... If I have multiplayer going I found I can hunker down a little earlier, probably getting 2 crop harvests before winter but then I haven't gathered the necessary resources like poops, rots, or growth formula to start popping off giant crops. Do you garden early? Or do you find this is more of a year 2 thing? What type of objectives do you find help make an early garden start popping off? ----------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for any feedback and tips ^_^ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Shosuko said: Do you garden early? Or do you find this is more of a year 2 thing? Usually i start real farmplot gardening (not counting random wild crops when playing WW) in the first spring. I find it the perfect time after the early obligatory tasks of autumn and winter like exploration, beefalo, ruins, klaus and deerclops etc. During spring ull also hardly have to water urself and ull most likely get the Lord of the Fruitflies on ur first harvest. And most of the important crops favor spring as well. The only times i garden earlier than spring is when im playing as Wurt or on a multiplayer server. 2 hours ago, Shosuko said: What type of objectives do you find help make an early garden start popping off? The champion of early farming is without a doubt Wickerbottom. Rushing specific seeds with Hort Abridged speeds up Giant crop farming so much its crazy. Other than that u want to make sure u have at least some fertlizers if u want giants early. Just to make the first few plants happy enough to give 2 seeds. (And afterwards if u cant combo certain stuff; 8 poop can grow 4 giant potatoes in winter etc) Good sources of early ferts are light bulbs, juicy berries and a beefalo. Feed bulbs to a werepig for poop or drop them in the ocean to turn into rot (same with juicy berries). If ur taming a beef early as well, ull get a steady supply of poop without having to go out of ur way to get some. Early game is probably also when Compost Bins shine the most, being able to get compost early by using 3 light bulbs and 3 pinecones or something instead of waiting on rot sounds really nice (havent messed with bins much early myself though) I wouldnt bother trying to get growth formula early. Ur better off relying on crop rotation, combos and starting nutrients in farmplots for early GW. When it comes to early planting strategy i recommend making two digamajigs. Use some tiles to grow random seeds and then plant the few early crop seeds u actually want on fresh plots. The starting nutrients in each plot can help u to feed early crops to get 2 seeds back. This is especially useful for early growth formula plants. Once u get 4 tomato and 4 potato seeds ur basically golden. I wouldnt bother going for other giant crops in the first autumn personally. (Unless u have the ferts ofcourse, or can do pump+corn+eggplant combo) Also try to get at least 4 pumpkin/carrot and 4 asparagus seeds before winter so u can switch over to Pum/carr + pot + asp combo. Crop combos and rotations are a good way to get giants early. Later on i almost exclusively switch over to fertlizing crops myself cuz i find it more fun and it allows me to be more flexible. ^ all of this is really only useful if u want to grow giants early. U can also still plant and forget with some minimal care (like tending+in season+no weeds) to farm sustainably early Spoiler In short, imo: be selective and aim for specific combos if u want productive Giant farms early: autumn: 4 potatoes and 4 tomatoes winter: 4 pumpkins/carrots + 4 asparagus + 4 potatoes. These are the benchmarks u want to aim for asap. Dig up everything else if u dont want to spend extra time watering/tending etc crops that arent gonna turn giant. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 I think you missed out on the biggest pro of boat scouting and early gardening: they're fun. I haven't done any tests on whether or not they're as efficacious as playing normally, but I do know that switching things up is a lot more enjoyable than doing the same exact thing every single time. I like to look at the pros of them and ignore the cons since my goal isn't to do everything as quickly as possible. 45 minutes ago, Shosuko said: Do you garden early? Or do you find this is more of a year 2 thing? What type of objectives do you find help make an early garden start popping off? In multiplayer if you tell your friends to pick seeds up you can start a garden with multiple stacks of seeds ready to go. They spawn super frequently. I like to make four rigamajigs and create four 2x2 plots next to eachother and just start off by filling them with as many random seeds as I can get. Wickerbottom can also help in doing early farms since Horticulture, Abridged will allow you to go through many crop cycles in a very short amount of time. I typically don't garden in the first autumn, but the first spring is an easy time to get a ton of good crops and first autumn is also doable if you're really focused on gardening. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck986 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Shosuko said: Another thing I've been trying is early gardening. Basically I try to get a garden plot down early and full of seeds. I have read up a bit on gardening but haven't actually done much of it since I play mostly solo and the natural food resources are typically overly abundant. Typically blue caps, carrots, and berries easily carry me until I've started building up stockpiles of meats. I decided to start going for a garden though. If I explore the lands first I find I only get a garden going with raw seeds in time for 1 harvest before winter. Crops change with the season and not all seeds remain useful. One harvest is certainly not enough food to go around, and after I've dumped my raw seeds I only have crop specific seeds left... If I have multiplayer going I found I can hunker down a little earlier, probably getting 2 crop harvests before winter but then I haven't gathered the necessary resources like poops, rots, or growth formula to start popping off giant crops. Do you garden early? Or do you find this is more of a year 2 thing? What type of objectives do you find help make an early garden start popping off? I do gardening as fast as possible (end of the first autumn preferred, but early winter is ok too). I just collect every single wild seed and plant them until I get at least 1 of every fruit and vegetable - after that they're easy to multiply. Then I just wrap them into Gift/Bundling Wraps and I'm good to go. 2 Digamajigs (so 8 farm plots) are more than enough for solo game, even for old Wolfgang if you grow potatos only. > What type of objectives do you find help make an early garden start popping off? Combos. That's all. I see no point in fertilizers if you don't try to grow a lot of giants for some reason. I plant them even in unsuitable season, because food is still food, and Wraps allow you to preserve surplus if you will have any. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallychina Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Efficiency wise, neither is worth it, you have more important goals early game. You should definitely only use a driftwood oar to sail, but only do so after the major goals have been met and you mapped the map so you can sail straight to lunar and find pearl. Lunar should be skipped alltogether, just pearl is important. Farming is also waste of time singleplayer, its only important in many players cause you need vegetables. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toroic Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 hour ago, reallychina said: Efficiency wise, neither is worth it, you have more important goals early game. You should definitely only use a driftwood oar to sail, but only do so after the major goals have been met and you mapped the map so you can sail straight to lunar and find pearl. Lunar should be skipped alltogether, just pearl is important. Farming is also waste of time singleplayer, its only important in many players cause you need vegetables. Bullkelp from lunar are still part of full clear speedrun strategies, so it’s hard to argue it’s not a good use of time. Farming is unnecessary solo (unless playing warly, but can be helpful and pretty low effort Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Yeah you miss out a lot if you're just boating early game. Mostly materials, key locations not on the edges and most importantly mapping out your wormholes. I find that farming for everyone except Wormwood is a waste of time as meat foods are more readily available. Meats also have the advantage of being able to be recycled via birdcage or followers and having a consistent high hunger (meaning you can always eat them raw and get a decent hunger to save time from having to cook). However, and this isn't efficient by any means, I find it very comfortable to boat during winter. Having a furnace on a boat in a very key location means I never need wood all of winter. Having a donut world makes this even more comfortable as I sail the inner lake of my world which every biome is attached to. I use this time to get an above average seed for protection during summer. I still manage to complete my first winter mile stones with this strat so it's not completely inefficient (Klaus, above average seed, Mctusk). Sailing with a furnace also saves on fuel/lantern fuel during the long winter nights as I rely on the passive light given to me by a very hot thermal as I land ashore and do what I need to do wherever I land. Furnace + boat winters are a must for me now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille6785 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Toros said: Bullkelp from lunar are still part of full clear speedrun strategies, so it’s hard to argue it’s not a good use of time. what Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toroic Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 48 minutes ago, Guille6785 said: what Jakeyosaurus did a “kill every boss” speedrun and used bull kelp from lunar for veggies. 83.75 days with reworked wolf. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille6785 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Toros said: Jakeyosaurus did a “kill every boss” speedrun and used bull kelp from lunar for veggies. 83.75 days with reworked wolf. you're basing an item's usefulness off a single pretty mediocre speedrun (which is more of a rush than a speedrun since it has a hard limit anyway) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 38 minutes ago, Guille6785 said: you're basing an item's usefulness off a single pretty mediocre speedrun (which is more of a rush than a speedrun since it has a hard limit anyway) the item is useful even if your arrogance doesnt let you admit it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkus Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: the item is useful even if your arrogance doesnt let you admit it He didn't even say bullkelp was bad lol, he just recognized that it's use was not really in a speedrun Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondayNight Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Pretty funny how, in 4 posts, from "boating and farming in early game", thread became "speed-running all bosses with Bull Kelp Stalks". I guess another prime example of DST KLei forums at their (inefficient) elitist finest, with "best advices" for bulk player-base at large. Anyway, Boating early-game with only-but Driftwood Oars is quite a viable strategy post-Waterlogged update. Not needing anything else aside a Boat/Kit (and aforementioned Oars - if fishing, Tin Fishin' Bin(s) too) also removes completely the threat of Wavey Jones, meaning you can sail pretty-much insane all-the-way and named shadow trickster won't bother you once. I recommend fist making some boat platform beside a Message in a Bottle to find Pearl's Island location, then making one's future oar-powered boat on closest shore to said island - getting Pinchin' Winch early is pretty useful, from Sunken Chests to retrieving Knobbly Tree Nuts. Likewise finding early-on a Waterlogged biome means you can stock on Monster Meat, Silk, Glands, Drift Wood, Grass, Twigs, and Figs just by picking vines & ramming Great Tree Trunks plus adjacent Tree Roots (and killing Sea Striders, of course). Not to mention quite a lot of stuff spawns at sea, all of it providing alternative food sources, especially via fishing. Having a (Driftwood) Oar-powered boat also means one can cram a lot more research structures and whatnot on boat, hence pretty-much dubbing for a mobile base - in spoiler below 3 boat models from yours truly, from simpler to more complex ones, made during various pub-runs. Spoiler All-in-all having an almost exclusive sea-life isn't too hard after Waterlogged, depending on one's objectives early-game onward. If anything I recommend such adventure as an alternative play-style for fancies. Getting lots of Bottles for later exchange via Pearl or Growth Formulas, finding Treasures (Thulecite and Gems, Salt, Tools etc) is pretty fun gambling-wise. Lot to write about, yet at least should be tried once, for some people such endeavor will surely prove as entertaining in various capacities. May you have fair winds and following seas, fellow sailors - as the saying goes! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 i dont usually sail in early but lately, if did a ruins rush and got verything i wanted, i prefer to sail in summer than cleaning the ruins. Breaks the monotony of always doing the same things. I hope we get more cool stuff to make it more worth because sometimes you run out of task quickly since some world gen has every sea content packed in one spot with size of a land biome Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Which remember reminds me... We need some boat skins. Not gonna lie if the nautical set of skins doesn't include at least 1 boat I will cry. I know these are free, but please 1 boat skin... Just one in these trying times... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Kaysuo Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Day count: 1 - 2 : Looting the starter biome for grass and twigs and heading to Mosaic for gold rocks and flint (It always spawns beside the starter biome) 3 - 4 : Precraft a bunch of structures to set up base faster later on(Campfire, Firepit, Crockpot, Alchemy Engine, Lightning Rod and Chest) and a beefalo bell. 5 : Getting resources for a saddle and a beefalo to use as mount. 6 - 10 : Exploring the world looking for marble, pigskin, pan flute and moleworms for Bee Queen Moleworm Cheese and using said strategy to kill that stupid bee 11 - 16 : Preparing and killing Dragonfly. 16 - 20 : Exploring the rest of the world for points of interest. 20 - 24 : Gathering cane, tam, fully taming the beefalo and looking for Klaus' sack 24 - 28 : Beating Klaus' butt and relocating the suspicious marble and getting resources for a pig farm 28 - 36 : Killing Deerclops and stockpiling basic resources 36 - 42 : Committing mass murder against ALL Mooses in the world 42 - 55 : Ruins clearing 56 - 70 : No goggles Antlion fight and Shadow Pieces kill 70 - 80 : Basic chores such as mining, building and getting birchnuts/logs with the help of Bearger(Keeping him alive) then planting it for a harvest on the next year. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 3 hours ago, HowlVoid said: Which remember reminds me... We need some boat skins. Not gonna lie if the nautical set of skins doesn't include at least 1 boat I will cry. I know these are free, but please 1 boat skin... Just one in these trying times... and stronger boats. Feels unsafe to go arround with a lot of expensive loot and structures in a 200hp boat. Some boat progression pls Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynel Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Every character can acquire stone fruit bushes and kelp before day 10. A basic oar is enough and you don't even need to know how to kite spiders. It's a win-win. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1528986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallychina Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 On 12/27/2021 at 3:33 AM, Toros said: Jakeyosaurus did a “kill every boss” speedrun and used bull kelp from lunar for veggies. 83.75 days with reworked wolf. The run is made on small map size and medium caves. This shaves off many days lost with rng, walking distances and food. He is still a very good player but this detail is very relevant. You do not need them, not even for speed runs. Theyre nice to have and perhaps worth getting them when you deliver the 2nd and 3rd altars but thats that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1529003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, reallychina said: The run is made on small map size and medium caves. This shaves off many days lost with rng, walking distances and food. He is still a very good player but this detail is very relevant. You do not need them, not even for speed runs. Theyre nice to have and perhaps worth getting them when you deliver the 2nd and 3rd altars but thats that. Wow I didn't know that, that's a huge advantage and should be it's own criteria. I hope he's not trying to pass it off as a normal Speedrun with default settings... Otherwise I would consider that cheating... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1529004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallychina Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 10 hours ago, HowlVoid said: Wow I didn't know that, that's a huge advantage and should be it's own criteria. I hope he's not trying to pass it off as a normal Speedrun with default settings... Otherwise I would consider that cheating... Its an important detail for sure but this should be standard for speedruns. Way too much rng otherwise. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1529099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 speed run in dst has little sense and less when there are players claiming that their runs are speed running runs but uses mods to cut seconds... so idk why some people have that need of sizing their genitals Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1529111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mima_ Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 u guys focused on wrong point lmao ... @Toros just said that relying veggie on farming plot unnecessary solo without warly to make buff . kelp grow fast and can be found early on .. i also found farming plot early game was unnecessary unless you have`warly or/and wormwood in the game with you Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136492-early-game-strats-boats-and-hoes/#findComment-1529137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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