Gi-Go Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Didn't see that one comming? Well, after spending half a week arguing with everyone I could, no matter be it day or night, and without rest, I had enough time to digest what speed haters said and I gotta say, you guys made some valid points. So here we go, top 14 reasons why speed removal is a good thing (add more in comments): Number 1: Wolfgang was op and needed nerf. This game is very balanced and the characters here are very hard to use. Wolfgang is equal to every character now. Number 2: Wolfgang was too easy. He didn't had a downside like the rest, and now he still dosen't but the speed is gone. Wolfgang is not easy anymore. Number 3: Speed is not mentioned in his perk list in the character select screen, so it shouldn't exist. Perks that aren't mentioned in select screen don't exist. Ever. Number 4: Wolfgang is a strong man not a speed man. This is just common sence. Number 5: Wolfgang was too boring. He needed more fun mechanics and more utility. He has no speed boost now and that helped the cause. Number 6: Speed doesn't fit into his charcaters kit. I'm not sure what that means but removing speed helped to fix this. Number 7: Wolfgang is a fighting character not a running character. This is not the same as number 4. Number 8: I forgot what, but there was a valid point made by someone. I think. Number 9: some Wolfgang mains don't even care that speed is gone. So neither should you. Number 10: I don't even like Wolfgang, so now that he is worse my favorite character got buffed by comparison. Number 11: his new perks are useful. We can't have new useful perks while keeping the old ones. That's not how rework works. This never happened. Number 12: Wolfgang works faster now. This is a relevant perk and a good replacement to movement speed, because only players can chop trees. Perfect for single player playstyle Wolfgang has. Number 13: Wolfgang had a huge list of versatile perks. Now he can give one of his many many upsides to someone else. Number 14: speed was a mistake. It's a bug not a feature. So even if it's good, even if it fits, even if everyone likes it and want it to come back - it should still be removed. Bugs are ment to be fixed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonboooorn Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Dont give up just yet... Gi－Go! Stay determinated and keep fighting for speed return...! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 Just now, Dragonboooorn said: Dont give up just yet... Gi－Go! Stay determinated and keep fighting speed return...! Nah dude, I have nothing on these FACTS. I know when I'm beaten. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartzBeam Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Number 13: Wolfgang cannot go fast cause he has not collected any golden rings yet. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Please don’t make sarcastic posts like this, I’m pretty sure Klei is getting actual threats from a lot of angry people about these changes.. and it’s really uncalled for, I’m personally hoping that they will Rework SPEED itself instead of having it be one characters crazy perk- here since I play A LOT of team based games allow me to provide an Example: WX78 rework: WX78 can craft Electric pulse belts they can equip onto other survivors, the overcharge is now more akin to a Lightning rod being struck by lightning and when it hits WX instead of channeling all of the energy into WX78.. it also releases five additional bolts of lightning from the top of WX78s Antenna which will fire off in the area like an Area of effect attack, this AOE will also connect to any nearby equipped Electric Pulse Battery Belts- Making EVERYONE NEAR WX78 GO FAST. Team Work makes the dream work. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: Please don’t make sarcastic posts like this, I’m pretty sure Klei are getting actual threats from a lot of angry people about these changes.. and it’s really uncalled for. Zero sarcasm. Those are the the most legit points anti-speed people made or at least that's how I remember them. And I gathered them all here because I don't want to be biased and want klei to hear both opinion sides before deciding what to do with the whole speed backlash. I don't know what threats have to do with me, the only threat I'll make is "I'll never play Wolfgang again if rework is gonna be bad." Or are you saying the situation is very sErIoUs? Became people making empty threats for no reason is not news, they do it all the time and then get ignored or banned. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondayNight Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Every time I see OP's nick in a post, I read it as Gi-Go-Lo. And tell myself "That's a good lad, bringing happiness to women everywhere". Also yes, speed bad, Wolf is a serious stronkman and everyone knows super-serious stronkmen skip leg day, every day! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dish-order man Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Gi-Go said: Number 8: I forgot what, but there was a valid point made by someone. I think. i can fully prove that this reason is the most correct, because I was lifting weights on the spot with my 5 old dude observing me exercise and their sanity is surely increasing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Gi-Go said: Didn't see that one comming? not at all xd edit: i bite the bait, didn't see a sarcastic topic coming neither Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosePapp Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 I was like "wow, people CAN change" and then I read from point 4 onwards, lol Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloakingsumo198 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Gi-Go said: Nah dude, I have nothing on these FACTS. I know when I'm beaten. This entire thread is great, couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for your contribution in these times of rework Gi-go, God speed Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangrove Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Alternative solution: speed boosts for everyone and Wolfgang will feel nerfed by comparison Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 It does open design space for a new character who takes the speedy aspects of oldWolfgang to enter the constant. Imagine if a new "speedy" character entered, but had to best Wolfgang for speed..... that would be very difficult to design around without being even more op. Taking Wolfgang's speed away opens this up. People already dealt with that and Wanda - and tbh I can't say it was executed flawlessly. Wanda got some downsides aimed at earning that dps at least. If we get something like Wheeler you can return to speed runs with them and see if the speed, or damage was most OP (probably the speed.) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1523989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangrove Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Number 15: Speed doesn't fit his character of being afraid of monsters, he's afraid cause he's too slow to run away from them! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1524008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Shosuko said: It does open design space for a new character who takes the speedy aspects of oldWolfgang to enter the constant. Imagine if a new "speedy" character entered, but had to best Wolfgang for speed..... that would be very difficult to design around without being even more op. Taking Wolfgang's speed away opens this up. People already dealt with that and Wanda - and tbh I can't say it was executed flawlessly. Wanda got some downsides aimed at earning that dps at least. If we get something like Wheeler you can return to speed runs with them and see if the speed, or damage was most OP (probably the speed.) Good one, deserves to go into top list. Will add right away as number 13 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1524043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-met Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 being passive aggressive and petty won't score you any points Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1524090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretPizzaMan Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 16 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said: Every time I see OP's nick in a post, I read it as Gi-Go-Lo. And tell myself "That's a good lad, bringing happiness to women everywhere". Also yes, speed bad, Wolf is a serious stronkman and everyone knows super-serious stronkmen skip leg day, every day! Strongman never skipped leg, every day is leg day for the survivor's, Wolfgang doesn't run faster when he's scared, because he is already running as fast as he can away from his past. In conclusion? Welp I know this might be a repeat of what I said somewhere, but Wolfgang didn't skip leg day, leg day skipped him, so stop blaming Wolfgang for being slow you jerks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136168-no-speed-boost-is-actually-good-change-for-wolfgang/#findComment-1524100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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