Opinions on Wolfgang's Refresh?

[Mike23Ua]

14 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

I think I made plenty of points on why speed should stay. Meaby they aren't valid for everyone, but at least they exist. Unlike any points on why it shouldn't. 

Are you trying to tell me that my reasoning behind wanting it changed is invalidated? That just because “I” Don’t personally play as Wolfgang 24/7 (and neither do you I’d bet..) That I can’t have an opinion about my FRIEND Who exclusively plays WOLFGANG or WOODIE? 

I play as every single character from time to time: maybe I don’t have a “complete” opinion on them: but when the character choice my friend picks makes the game less enjoyable for ME it’s a clear cut problem: It’s the same reason WES who people wanted to remain 125% useless actually got some useful perks.. I don’t want to never be able to keep up with my friend while he also ironically also kills everything faster..

Its broken, it’s unfun, it’s just not healthy for a COOPERATIVE Game..

now having said that: Faster Boat rowing speed gets EVERYONE on that boat to their location faster and all fueled by Wolfgang’s ManPower, If Wolfgang could Carry Three players on his shoulders and run fast.. if Wolfgang had a Magical Belt of Agility that made everyone near him go as fast as he does within the same radius as a Boat Platform: I would have No problem with his Speed because I am not literally being LEFT BEHIND While he beats the game by himself with 2x damage on everything he hits.

Do you get my view point now? If not.. hopefully someone working at Klei does  

[Gi-Go]

21 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Are you trying to tell me that my reasoning behind wanting it changed is invalidated?

Yes, absolutely.

Wanting one character and one charcater only to get nerfed because he is better than the character you like, while not asking for other better characters to also be nerfed is not valid. On top of that, nerfs are usually bad since they end up slowing people down instead of making characters more complicated or fun. Nerf everyone - game is suddenly slow. It also sounds like you are jealous of someone else's character, which I find to be weird since noone is forcing you to play as anyone. I play different charcaters too, and I never feel left behind just because there are better picks. 

So yes, I definetly find your reasoning for speed removal to be invalid, and would like to hear something better. 

Yes I get your view point. You are jealous that Wolfgang has both strength and speed boost, and your character doesn't. and you feel inferior. 

But the thing is, you can play Wolfgang too. And if you don't want to, then why care about things you are refusing to use yourself. 

I especially don't get the Wes part. Someone wanted to play challange character but without the challange aspect and that's why he got buffed? 

That's just... wow. 

 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

maybe the real wolfgang's refresh was the laughs friends we made along the wall-texts

[BlueSteelBlades]

After seeing the recent hotfix I am starting to believe that Klei is starting to go in the right direction. Of note is the resource harvesting definitely helps make him more viable as a character and more defined as "strong man" which Klei has labelled him as. However, I believe this is thus the beginning of tweaking Wolfgang into something more interesting and ultimately more team orientiented then his past self. I will list some changes I believe will not only make him better to play but more useful to use overall for the greater group.

 

1. Give wimpy form Wolfgang's old speed boost. This not only fits the themematic archetype of a scared and weak Wolfgang but gives the extra utility early on to explore the map and learn of the location of various resource zones. The speed could also be used by newer players to flee dangerous giants or bad situations. All this serving to make him have a more useful day one, with harvesting speed being same and speed being increased but also making into more of a team scout for when the speedsters are not yet prept eg. woodie needing to find supplies to make offering/starve to be optimium. 

 

2. Double down on mighty dumbell tosses as a mechanic. I feel they could turn his dumbells into a AOE stun weapon to assist in mob fights with quality of dumbells expanding effected mob pool. Potentially stone could stun and kill non hostile/passive mobs such as birds and the grass lizards, Gold could stun low tier mobs such as spiders and bats whilst the gembell could work on higher tier mobs such as boss allies and/or pigs/merms. The punching of dumbells I feel is kinda useless and should probs do damage slightly below expected tier as they not tradiational weapons, with stone doing below spear, gold below battle spear and gem under spike (Less important then stun mechanic); Leaving the might gain in place since the recent hotfix. This would all help make the dumbells more useful as a weapon but as a team ulility as a crowd control mechanic/easier time killing annoying enemies.

 

3. Allow other players to use his dumbells as Gym equipment. I beleive other players should get Wolfgang lite buffs for a small but fair duration after working out with the dumbells. The effect should relate to the type of character with more mature/able bodied characters such as wigfrid, Wilson and Woodie getting a damage multiplier increase of about 25% (stacking in Wigfrids case) and child/physically weaker characters like Wendy and wickerbottom getting +25 to their overall hp pool. This would bring more reason for a group to add a Wolfgang to their roster but as an important sidenote the buffs don't allow any character to exceed Wolfgang's dps and hp pool through said buff (Not thinking Wanda as she is a glass tank) --> stopping people for picking the character to simply swap out later as much due to him being still very much useful in his assigned role.

 

4. Give Wolfgang minor perks to cement Strong man quality further + granting slightly improved utility. My first idea would be to give him a small sanity buff for each person watching his "strong man act" via working out. This would give him his own unique means to regain sanity whilst giving some bonus character flare on top. Another idea I heard from another individual on a beta branch thread was that Wolfgangs mighty battle prowess and godly physique while mighty should serve as an "inspiration" for Wigfrids own stage fighting preforming --> some increase to the inspiration multipler whilst fighting, which would make singing her songs quicker and easier to do. I particularly liked this idea as once again it improves upon his once non existent team play whilst also providing something nicely thematic. 

 

Hopefully Klei hears some of these suggestions like the harvesting buff but anyways to all the read the post...thanks for listening to my TED Talk.

[Gi-Go]

I can't belive someone actually thinks faster working is a good perk. The only trees I chop are the 2 middle aged pinetrees for my science machine. And that's it. Mining rocks it 4, 6 or 8 hits dosen't matter if you spam click, it's not like you grind rocks often either. This can be used to mine ruins statues in 7 hits instead of 10. Imagine making a gym and working out just to save yourself 3 clicks per statue.

Jeez guys, can you dream big please?

[BlueSteelBlades]

I said it was a step in the right direction and highly suggested that more needed to be done to make Wolfgang something more then a nerfed pre reworked Wolfgang. I know realistically it isnt a huge change in terms of core gameplay loop but none the less adds some much needed flare to the character :/ Read past the first set of sentence before flexing your speed running skills...We all want a BETTER Wolfgang at the end of the day not a worse version of the OG.

[BlueSteelBlades]

You also got to remember a fair amount of people that play DST are beginners aren't nearly as experienced and skilled as people like you, of which I gather from your previous comment about ruin rushing. A fair chunk are a group of mates that come together to play survival game such as DST for a good time. Alot don't use characters for them being the best speed running or boss killing class but due to them having an enjoyable personality and/or making the game the funnest it can be for them. The middle ground for these majority players and those whom have reached masterery is to add thematic perks such as faster wood cutting for the "newbies" and then some of the more advantagious qualities that I suggested in my previous post to make him more usable in team play whilst not effectively nerfing him out entirely. The problem I have seen in main topics related to the beta forum in the lack of comprise between those who want Wolfgang to be untouched and those want a complete and utter make over until he is no longer Wolfgang, with both parties extremes being unreasonable and likely never appeased by the devs...which is good. Hopefully the forums become more reasonable over time  

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 hours ago, Gi-Go said:

I can't belive someone actually thinks faster working is a good perk. The only trees I chop are the 2 middle aged pinetrees for my science machine. And that's it. Mining rocks it 4, 6 or 8 hits dosen't matter if you spam click, it's not like you grind rocks often either. This can be used to mine ruins statues in 7 hits instead of 10. Imagine making a gym and working out just to save yourself 3 clicks per statue.

Jeez guys, can you dream big please?