ATM Reaper Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Ive built a few builds that I have many times before and for some reason the Aquatuners seem to be far less effective. Everything is overheating and the aquatuners are running alot more than they used to. Is anyone else seeing this or is my Oni just being a beach again? Maybe there have been changes made to Spaced out that necessitate the need for Radioactive Reactors to meet the power needs of the revised cooling requirement? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDeusMachina Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, ATM Reaper said: Ive built a few builds that I have many times before and for some reason the Aquatuners seem to be far less effective. Everything is overheating and the aquatuners are running alot more than they used to. Is anyone else seeing this or is my Oni just being a beach again? Maybe there have been changes made to Spaced out that necessitate the need for Radioactive Reactors to meet the power needs of the revised cooling requirement? I have not seen changes to aquatuners in patch notes for quite a while, nor did I experience any change of behavior in game Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRup Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, ATM Reaper said: is my Oni just being a beach again? Try posting several screenshots of your build with the symptoms, don't leave us with such anticipation. The core game is the same for vanilla as well as SO! since the mergedown so the sour gas boiler crowd would have cried bloody murder if the AT's got somehow nerfed. 1 hour ago, ATM Reaper said: Ive built a few builds that I have many times before and for some reason the Aquatuners seem to be far less effective. A heat deletion bug was indeed patched ages ago... (In software terms, but it was still a while ago - even before Spaced out!.) This might will have some influence on builds that depended on said heat disappearing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Reaper Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Hmmm maybe it is just me then or maybe it is the Steam vent I am taming is bigger than I have encountered. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orzelek Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Please ensure that packets that hit aquatuner are not evenly spaced. It has a _Very_ annoying bug of not cooling first packet after a break that comes into it. In worst case scenario (split pipes that divide stuff 50/50) your aquatuner might seem to work, eat power but not cool the fluids. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Reaper Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Ok so here is my build, nothing complex about it but that aquatuner just cant cool the 4 steam turbines, they just build up heat then overheat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 well i to see issue at there Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Reaper Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 So looking at the steam turbine information it says it is supposed to generate 4kDTUs of heat then when you look at what it is actually generating when operating at full power it is generating over 200kDTUs of heat. Now Im no mathematician but that doesnt seem to stack up. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, ATM Reaper said: So looking at the steam turbine information it says it is supposed to generate 4kDTUs of heat then when you look at what it is actually generating when operating at full power it is generating over 200kDTUs of heat. Now Im no mathematician but that doesnt seem to stack up. your issue is that you using heavi-watt joint plate, that transfer heat to steam turbine room Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Reaper Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, gabberworld said: your issue is that you using heavi-watt joint plate by transfer heat The joint plates are insulated conductive heavy watt joint plates so should not transfer heat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, ATM Reaper said: The joint plates are insulated conductive heavy watt joint plates so should not transfer heat. they been working like this for ages now that they transfer heat Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Reaper Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, gabberworld said: they been working like this for ages now that they transfer heat It is only measuring 87.2 degrees so I dont think that is the issue on this one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 yep i not see issue either Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRup Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 27 minutes ago, ATM Reaper said: Ok so here is my build, nothing complex about it but that aquatuner just cant cool the 4 steam turbines, they just build up heat then overheat. Small recommendation: Use a small layer of liquid for the turbines and run the cooling pipe through that instead of just the hydrogen. The design looks mostly ok, though a piping & automation overlay would probably further quench my curiosity. What temperature are you setting for the cooling to happen? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 No nerv to the aquatuners. A lot of my stuff would break otherwise. 27 minutes ago, ATM Reaper said: The joint plates are insulated conductive heavy watt joint plates so should not transfer heat. These are not in the game. You probably have a broken mod. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 he steam is below 125c anyway no way turbines can run at that temp Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve8 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, gabberworld said: they been working like this for ages now that they transfer heat They're from a mod. Just like the insulated airlock doors. You can tell by the red color https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2059584551 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Steve8 said: They're from a mod. Just like the insulated airlock doors. You can tell by the red color https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2059584551 well it docent matter because i not use mods, if geyser produces 110c im not sure how he can run turbines, if steam is over 200 same thing starts happen room heats up much faster that aquatuner cant cool it down unless if stabilize by closing vents Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orzelek Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Turbine outputs 4k DTUs plus 10% percent of deleted heat. I think steam geyser was like 500 degree output temp? Without doors to reduce amount of inlets active on turbines they will put out all that heat and cook themselves. I'm not sure if one aquatuner is capable of compensating that. If you add doors with temp sensors to partially close inlets of turbines it will drop the consumption of hot steam and reduce the amount of heat produced by turbines themselves. What are the stats on geyser? Is it a short run high intensity per chance? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Reaper Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 2695.5g/s at 500C 172s every 430s active for 104.6 every 167.8 cycles At the moment I have reduced it down to one steam turbine running at 50% and Im still struggling to reduce the temp, this is crazy Ive never had this problem. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRup Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, gabberworld said: well it docent matter because i not use mods, if geyser produces 110c im not sure how he can run turbines, if steam is over 200 same thing starts happen room heats up much faster that aquatuner cant cool it down unless if stabilize by closing vents It is a hot steam vent. One can tell because hot steam vents are a more ocher color (reddish brown). Cool steam vents are gray-ish. The workaround seen here is that the two steam vents seen on either side are used to cool down the chamber to a more workable temperature. This way you can make the most out of the two center turbines and extract as much water as possible. I'm guessing that this hot steam vent is rather productive with over 3kg/s. (OP responded with data.) Blocking vents can be done but if well built you can keep temperatures in the 200ºC range. 2 minutes ago, Orzelek said: I'm not sure if one aquatuner is capable of compensating that. If you decide to keep the turbines at low temperatures (<95ºC) then one AT can easily manage around 10 ST's at 850W. I really haven't done the math on how many can be managed. But the build from OP can be cooled very easily. (Provided that the coolant in the loop is at least water.) 3 minutes ago, ATM Reaper said: At the moment I have reduced it down to one steam turbine running at 50% and Im still struggling to reduce the temp, this is crazy Ive never had this problem. Could you post a piping overlay? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Reaper Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 49 minutes ago, JRup said: Small recommendation: Use a small layer of liquid for the turbines and run the cooling pipe through that instead of just the hydrogen. The design looks mostly ok, though a piping & automation overlay would probably further quench my curiosity. What temperature are you setting for the cooling to happen? I have taken your advice and put a strip of petroleum down and run the cooling pipe through that. Sadly not curing the issue. Piping as requested. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, ATM Reaper said: I have taken your advice and put a strip of petroleum down and run the cooling pipe through that. Sadly not curing the issue. Piping as requested. hot steam vent? close all 3 vents for turbines its not enoh really but better than nothing Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRup Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, ATM Reaper said: I have taken your advice and put a strip of petroleum down and run the cooling pipe through that. Sadly not curing the issue. Piping as requested. Thank you very much. Please switch the coolant to either water or polluted water. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Reaper Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, JRup said: Thank you very much. Please switch the coolant to either water or polluted water. Ive always used petroleum, mostly due to the low temperature that water boils at and cracks the pipes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135364-have-aquatuners-been-nerfed/#findComment-1513941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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