Dr.Webber Posted May 22, 2024 Share Posted May 22, 2024 Ok I have a couple questions Why do you think volt goats Only drop milk when they’re charged why do you think WX’s Quote for spider eggs is “spider potential =6” we know that hatches into three spiders so it’s not the immediate potential And if we don’t count spider queen The spider potential is nine. so I wonder what changes in between tier 2, and tier 3. that would warrant removing that factor from the equation Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wormboi Posted May 22, 2024 Share Posted May 22, 2024 how come the pirate monkeys dont mess with pearl or sharkboi? 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted May 22, 2024 Share Posted May 22, 2024 33 minutes ago, Wormboi said: how come the pirate monkeys dont mess with pearl or sharkboi? Not on boat 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDuelist Posted May 22, 2024 Share Posted May 22, 2024 1 hour ago, Wormboi said: how come the pirate monkeys dont mess with pearl or sharkboi? They probably get a cut of our stuff too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uedo Posted May 22, 2024 Share Posted May 22, 2024 2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said: Ok I have a couple questions Why do you think volt goats Only drop milk when they’re charged why do you think WX’s Quote for spider eggs is “spider potential =6” we know that hatches into three spiders so it’s not the immediate potential And if we don’t count spider queen The spider potential is nine. so I wonder what changes in between tier 2, and tier 3. that would warrant removing that factor from the equation I think it's just a joke - Just a random number to show WX thinks like a robot, probably not really thought about too much when designed :P Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted May 22, 2024 Share Posted May 22, 2024 Do you think papyrus in the spider craft just there help Webber keep up structural integrity or do you think it plays some bigger role if so what is that? I also looked up different spider glands and they’re most likely used to create a special type of silk to help the eggs I’m wondering is how did the eggs get there in the first place? 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted May 22, 2024 Share Posted May 22, 2024 19 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said: Do you think papyrus in the spider craft just there help Webber keep up structural integrity or do you think it plays some bigger role if so what is that? I also looked up different spider glands and they’re most likely used to create a special type of silk to help the eggs I’m wondering is how did the eggs get there in the first place? Webber being a child I thought he drew doodles on the papyrus to get an idea what he wanted to craft. And the eggs..........hmmmm.........maybe he got them in a "none-active" state (this probably doesn't make sense, but I meant in the way of....like some real-life spider spiderlings are able to hibernate.) from the spider queen who only get "active" when being placed down in a nest (den)? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted May 23, 2024 Share Posted May 23, 2024 3 hours ago, NPCMaxwell said: Webber being a child I thought he drew doodles on the papyrus to get an idea what he wanted to craft. And the eggs..........hmmmm.........maybe he got them in a "none-active" state (this probably doesn't make sense, but I meant in the way of....like some real-life spider spiderlings are able to hibernate.) from the spider queen who only get "active" when being placed down in a nest (den)? Interesting, I always thought Weber spider half was on its way to becoming a queen since he can craft eggs in the leader of spiders and both his Moonbound and triumphant skins have queen spikes also has triumphant skin I similar to a queen but the question is where does he keep it? And is it possible that all male spiders can produce dormant eggs in the constant? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted May 23, 2024 Share Posted May 23, 2024 9 hours ago, Dr.Webber said: Interesting, I always thought Weber spider half was on its way to becoming a queen since he can craft eggs in the leader of spiders and both his Moonbound and triumphant skins have queen spikes also has triumphant skin I similar to a queen but the question is where does he keep it? And is it possible that all male spiders can produce dormant eggs in the constant? Actually I like YOUR idea more now that you mentioned it, that "his" spider was a premature queen when they were fused. It would probably also solve the question of where they are being stored when "his" spider is a female. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted May 23, 2024 Share Posted May 23, 2024 5 minutes ago, NPCMaxwell said: Actually I like YOUR idea more now that you mentioned it, that "his" spider was a premature queen when they were fused. It would probably also solve the question of where they are being stored when "his" spider is a female. Webber’s rework update post confirms that there are both dudes. Where is something similar to clownish where in the absence of a female, the dominant male becomes a female or a mix of bee and clownfish something like a different or increased diet is what would make the sex change Which is probably started through which spiders the dominant one Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted May 23, 2024 Share Posted May 23, 2024 12 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said: Webber’s rework update post confirms that there are both dudes. Where is something similar to clownish where in the absence of a female, the dominant male becomes a female or a mix of bee and clownfish something like a different or increased diet is what would make the sex change Which is probably started through which spiders the dominant one I wasn't aware of "his" spider being assigned a gender but thanks for letting me know. I would have also guessed for the clownfish-social-rank-sex-transformation in DS spiders then. About the diet inducing it....maybe it could be triggered by an increased amount of spider glans (similar to royal jelly) which would be why webber needs it in his spidereggs recipe. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted May 23, 2024 Share Posted May 23, 2024 25 minutes ago, NPCMaxwell said: I wasn't aware of "his" spider being assigned a gender but thanks for letting me know. I would have also guessed for the clownfish-social-rank-sex-transformation in DS spiders then. About the diet inducing it....maybe it could be triggered by an increased amount of spider glans (similar to royal jelly) which would be why webber needs it in his spidereggs recipe. Maybe anyway do think the progression is normal,warrior,queen or do you think those are two completely different forms of differentiation also do you think the eyes come out of his mouth like spider queen with spiders I won’t get much into it due to the rules I think…anyway hi Bruno squirt the spire queens mouth looks like this could possibly mean that spiders only have one hole Similar to see cucumbers Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted May 23, 2024 Share Posted May 23, 2024 6 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said: Maybe anyway do think the progression is normal,warrior,queen or do you think those are two completely different forms of differentiation also do you think the eyes come out of his mouth like spider queen with spiders I won’t get much into it due to the rules I think…anyway hi Bruno squirt the spire queens mouth looks like this could possibly mean that spiders only have one hole Similar to see cucumbers I love "unusual anatomy" (or rather variations) which is why spiders sharing traits of different irl species is perfect to me! I haven't thought about that yet, but you made it my headcanon now. Also....mawxwell's comment "It's mostly disgestive system" now makes them seem even more like sea-cucumbers when it comes to that question. About the "levels" I would rather think of warriors being a seperate branch such as in real life ants. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted May 23, 2024 Share Posted May 23, 2024 9 hours ago, NPCMaxwell said: I love "unusual anatomy" (or rather variations) which is why spiders sharing traits of different irl species is perfect to me! I haven't thought about that yet, but you made it my headcanon now. Also....mawxwell's comment "It's mostly disgestive system" now makes them seem even more like sea-cucumbers when it comes to that question. About the "levels" I would rather think of warriors being a seperate branch such as in real life ants. Yeah I like separate branches better so do you think the one that becomes a queen comes out in later stages from tier one cause we know from Forge that their is only three spiders in the spider eggs and only three spiders spawn for tier one Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uedo Posted May 23, 2024 Share Posted May 23, 2024 This thread is fascinating 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted May 24, 2024 Share Posted May 24, 2024 4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said: Yeah I like separate branches better so do you think the one that becomes a queen comes out in later stages from tier one cause we know from Forge that their is only three spiders in the spider eggs and only three spiders spawn for tier one I don't know anything about the forge, the gorge, most of DST game mechanics yet so I don't think I can make up my mind on this one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted May 24, 2024 Share Posted May 24, 2024 1 minute ago, NPCMaxwell said: I don't know anything about the forge, the gorge, most of DST game mechanics yet so I don't think I can make up my mind on this one. Sorry, I worded it weird what I meant was in dst tier one dens only spawn three spiders and I’ve seen him videos that in the forge instead of having an egg Weber has three baby spiders that follow him and help him fight the enemies so that that that spider hatched and there were only three spiders in the Egg sack but my question was since we know that they all come out during tier one when the colony grows to tier 2, and onward doing the spider that would become queen still comes out or being the vessel of the future of the genetic line is it relegated to staying in the den? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted May 24, 2024 Share Posted May 24, 2024 15 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said: Sorry, I worded it weird what I meant was in dst tier one dens only spawn three spiders and I’ve seen him videos that in the forge instead of having an egg Weber has three baby spiders that follow him and help him fight the enemies so that that that spider hatched and there were only three spiders in the Egg sack but my question was since we know that they all come out during tier one when the colony grows to tier 2, and onward doing the spider that would become queen still comes out or being the vessel of the future of the genetic line is it relegated to staying in the den? It probably depends....I think of it like when you compare the lifespan of e.g. queen hornets to regular hornets, then she can get much older even be able to survive winter. So in terms of age I'd say the future queen spider already exists during the tier 1 / baby spider generation and keeps living until tier 3. The colony growing meanwhile.....maybe maybe there is another stage, such as with unfertilized eggs. Maybe some not-yet-queen dominant spiders are capable of parthogenese while they undergo their sex change. Also maybe the more they change they become capable of producing unfertilized eggs that can create the warriors who don't appear before tier 2 if I remember correctly. And with the last tier staying around long enough the dominant spider had enough time to become the queen now with her full ability to reproduce. I fear my english is too bad to understand the last part. Oh wait, you meant if the dominant spider is meant to stay inside the den for reproduction purpose? I think so yes. Once she has turned into the queen she will stay the dominant one until she is killed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted May 24, 2024 Share Posted May 24, 2024 1 hour ago, NPCMaxwell said: It probably depends....I think of it like when you compare the lifespan of e.g. queen hornets to regular hornets, then she can get much older even be able to survive winter. So in terms of age I'd say the future queen spider already exists during the tier 1 / baby spider generation and keeps living until tier 3. The colony growing meanwhile.....maybe maybe there is another stage, such as with unfertilized eggs. Maybe some not-yet-queen dominant spiders are capable of parthogenese while they undergo their sex change. Also maybe the more they change they become capable of producing unfertilized eggs that can create the warriors who don't appear before tier 2 if I remember correctly. And with the last tier staying around long enough the dominant spider had enough time to become the queen now with her full ability to reproduce. I fear my english is too bad to understand the last part. Oh wait, you meant if the dominant spider is meant to stay inside the den for reproduction purpose? I think so yes. Once she has turned into the queen she will stay the dominant one until she is killed. Ya so hears my current theory it’s a cycle the goal of the species is to spread as much as possible for simplicity sack i’m using webber planting the eggs as a catalyst for the loop take place since come to think of it I can’t think of where the actual planting of the eggs with half naturally So first the eggs gets planted all three spiders hatch and start to wait for prey to step on their web and alert them to their presence start killing their prey and eating it possibly even having a social stomach or their stomach also doubles as a social stomach to bring food back to the nest as time goes on a dominant spider out of three emerges ether thought dominance alone or an increased diet and a result of the dominance they start developing into a queen and through Arrhenotoky the cluster starts to grow and through increased Silk production so does the den along with some of the new Brood differentiating into a more capable branch this whole time, the queen is preserving energy for the final stage feeding more and more and as the den grows, so does the queen and as she reaches the final stage?she leaves behind a group of her offspring, possibly even her siblings.My reason for thinking that this isn’t just for an egg stand, the stand will reach its second stage in one IRL minute, which is much shorter then it takes for most dens to reach your second stage which Suggests to me a larger group of spiders that just need a little bit to get their footing After such dramatic change, And if it doesn’t already have a dominant spider(second most dominant previously till the queen left) then one will arise anyway back to the queen, a few members of the cluster Hitched a ride with her as protection during this vital time she wonders for days in hopes to find an area with no dens or other spider queens you see the reason why she needed so much energy is it takes a lot of energy to maintain this larger form after so many days if the conditions are met she sheds this larger form in favor of the smaller one.and the cycle begins again, It’s even possible that another one of the members of the new den could surpass him in dominance. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted May 24, 2024 Share Posted May 24, 2024 Should I do a theory on the anatomy of spiders or maybe a Theory on other social structures in spiders Or a other species of spiders Or theory about what about their genetics makes them so adaptable Or theory about the ecosystem of the constant Or intercut details about other species I’m only partially prepared for the first one, but the really interesting 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted May 24, 2024 Share Posted May 24, 2024 (edited) OK I just discovered THIS in the Wilson quote's wiki page. What on earth is THIS quote? I have never heard him use it. Would that have been a quote for him to be used after HE is on the nightmare throne and another character would free him such as Maxwell's quote when he wakes up as playable?! This is the Wilson quote in question: ( I just realized I posted this in the DST forum by accident....but maybe that quote doesn't even appear in DS so that would explain why I never heard him use it ) Quote Freedom- "I'm free! I'm finally free!" Edited May 24, 2024 by NPCMaxwell Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted May 24, 2024 Share Posted May 24, 2024 4 minutes ago, NPCMaxwell said: OK I just discovered THIS in the Wilson quote's wiki page. What on earth is THIS quote? I have never heard him use it. Would that have been a quote for him to be used after HE is on the nightmare throne and another character would free him such as Maxwell's quote when he wakes up as playable?! This is the Wilson quote in question: ( I just realized I posted this in the DST forum by accident....but maybe that quote doesn't even appear in DS so that would explain why I never heard him use it ) I know Maxwell can go back and free him but I don’t remember that ever being a quote but maybe Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted May 24, 2024 Share Posted May 24, 2024 11 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said: I know Maxwell can go back and free him but I don’t remember that ever being a quote but maybe I've been switching between those two back and fourth a thousand times just for the fun of imagining them trying to find a way to break the dreadful spell of the nightmare throne...........but still Wilson has never cheered his new won freedom. Maybe the quote is used for something different.....or maybe it is unimplented? But if yes, for which planned mechanic??? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted May 24, 2024 Share Posted May 24, 2024 17 minutes ago, NPCMaxwell said: I've been switching between those two back and fourth a thousand times just for the fun of imagining them trying to find a way to break the dreadful spell of the nightmare throne...........but still Wilson has never cheered his new won freedom. Maybe the quote is used for something different.....or maybe it is unimplented? But if yes, for which planned mechanic??? Well, I sure hope it’s not for escaping the constant in DST I’m not ready for this game series to be over Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted May 24, 2024 Share Posted May 24, 2024 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said: Well, I sure hope it’s not for escaping the constant in DST I’m not ready for this game series to be over There is no escape from this realm, never! *insert maxwell "thing" teleportatoe laughter here* (or else.....seriously there can't be......unless maybe.........what if the real world was actually a reversed constant world and after there is nothing more to draw into from the real world the circle will reverse and the some new "maxwell"-like origin will be drawn into the real world, creating a new constant? After all do we really know what happens when the characters die in real world? After all Abigail looks like a ghost from the constant......who won't be revived either. Maybe THAT'S what the graves are for? [refering to your other question about if we will ever see what lies between caves and the surface] I'm just an insomnia struggling person with weird ideas, don't take anything I say seriously.) Edited May 24, 2024 by NPCMaxwell 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120919-questions-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread/page/195/#findComment-1716648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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