Question about the food.

[Szczuku]

So as of now I'm on cycle 100 and my dupes are still living off of meallice. I'm afraid to do anything riskier as I still don't have a water source set up or a power plant.

So I just wanted to ask:

Do other food plants like berry bristle, duskcap or water lettuce exist only as a noob trap. As in 'New players will try to use them but will quickly find out that they consume way to much resources'.

I was thinking about making a water lettuce farm but I'm not sure. I've always thought that you just jump from meal lice to some superb meals and there's not in-between.

[TheMule]

3 minutes ago, Szczuku said:

So as of now I'm on cycle 100 and my dupes are still living off of meallice. I'm afraid to do anything riskier as I still don't have a water source set up or a power plant.

So I just wanted to ask:

Do other food plants like berry bristle, duskcap or water lettuce exist only as a noob trap. As in 'New players will try to use them but will quickly find out that they consume way to much resources'.

I was thinking about making a water lettuce farm but I'm not sure. I've always thought that you just jump from meal lice to some superb meals and there's not in-between.

Fried mushrooms are not bad. You do need slime, and you have to handle possible offgas.

But usually I ranch stone hatches for BBQ. It's a solid mid-tier food.

[yoakenashi]

41 minutes ago, Szczuku said:

Do other food plants like berry bristle, duskcap or water lettuce exist only as a noob trap. As in 'New players will try to use them but will quickly find out that they consume way to much resources'.

I was thinking about making a water lettuce farm but I'm not sure. I've always thought that you just jump from meal lice to some superb meals and there's not in-between.

The intermediate/mid-tier foods are not noob traps. All foods are reasonable based on your available resources. If you have lots of salt water, make a lettuce farm. Lots of slime, make a mushroom farm. Eventually even a mealwood farm can run into issues if you run out of dirt.

But until you have constant sources of any resource, do not go too overboard on making complex farms.

Also, the need for better food is all based on how you level duplicants (ie, their moral requirements). If you don’t level quickly, then you do not need to rush higher quality foods.

That is what I like about the game and my play style, your food sources and demands are constantly changing. I would never go from meal love to late game spicy tofu (current map) without hitting most of the food items in between.

[Xenotrix]

My favorites food: Meat -> Barbeque, Cooked Fish -> Surf'n'Turf

A source of water and a comfortable temperature are not needed. Just throw wild creatures all over the map and farm meat/pacu fillet. Wait care packages with Shove Vole eggs from Printing Pod or find eggs on map. Then create a lazy farm. Shove Vole can't jump over two cells and dont have room limit. Just place them on a floating platform (see example screenshot). Watch the eggs, they can fall down and vole pup will run away after birth.  Alternative source of meat to make a Hatch / Drecko farm, its good too.

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[sheaker]

I am always going for sleet wheat grains and bristle blossoms. For the first one I am using CO2 geyser, pump and vent with atmo sensor. Cold CO2 helps keep room cool.

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[Gurgel]

6 hours ago, Szczuku said:

So I just wanted to ask:

Do other food plants like berry bristle, duskcap or water lettuce exist only as a noob trap. As in 'New players will try to use them but will quickly find out that they consume way to much resources'.

Hahahaha, no

Depending on the map, I have used each of them. Duskcap you use when you have plenty of slime at a good temperature. This was often my first food after mushbars in the old maps. Bristle Berry, when you have the water and can get it to the right temperature. Lettuce is a bit tricky as you usually can only let it grow wild, but I have both used the wild one and planted more wild one. 

[lee1026]

I can't say that I see a reason why the water lettuce exists; it is hard to plant compared to other things and yield terrible food. I assumed that it make sense on some map settings, but certainly not any that I have actually played.

[Gurgel]

1 hour ago, lee1026 said:

I can't say that I see a reason why the water lettuce exists; it is hard to plant compared to other things and yield terrible food. I assumed that it make sense on some map settings, but certainly not any that I have actually played.

If you do wild planting via pips, Waterweed is about as easy to plant and grow as any other crop. The trick is to add only a thin layer of water/saltwater/brine. Also, there are maps that already have tons of wild plants that you can just use. It has the decided advantage of growing up to 65C. The crop with the 2nd best heat tolerance that you can eat by itself (mushrooms) only grows up to 35C.

Its main purpose is as a "spice" though in Mushroom Wrap and Frost Burger.

[Oozinator]

22 hours ago, Szczuku said:

. I'm afraid to do anything riskier as I still don't have a water source set up or a power plant.

 

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/110299-pip-planting-everything-you-need-to-know/

[lee1026]

If you are doing wild plants, sleet wheat is just superior to everything else.

[Primalflower]

23 hours ago, Szczuku said:

So as of now I'm on cycle 100 and my dupes are still living off of meallice. I'm afraid to do anything riskier as I still don't have a water source set up or a power plant.

So I just wanted to ask:

Do other food plants like berry bristle, duskcap or water lettuce exist only as a noob trap. As in 'New players will try to use them but will quickly find out that they consume way to much resources'.

I was thinking about making a water lettuce farm but I'm not sure. I've always thought that you just jump from meal lice to some superb meals and there's not in-between.

None of the foods listed are noob traps, but you should absolutely keep an eye on the supplies they're consuming until you've got a renewable source of it. Out of those things you've listed, waterweed is one of the most versatile (as in it'll take you an awfully long time to run out of the stuff it needs if you keep digging) foods out there, but not super good in quality. Mushrooms, and thereby fried mushrooms, are slightly less versatile, but better in quality. Take your pick.

[psusi]

I've never been a fan of berries myself due to the water consumption, but these days water is more common than it used to be.  If you have a good water source then it's fine, and using water for a while to give yourself time to explore the map and find a water source is better than running out of dirt and starving.  It will also use less labor than mealwood giving you more to explore with.  I've always loved mushrooms. You have to grow less of them to feed your population than with mealwood, so that saves labor that can spend more time exploring.  They take rather little slime to grow and there's a lot of it on the map so you can live off mushrooms for a very long time before running out, and then you can ranch pufts to make more.  Plus you can use a farm station to double their output, which you can't do with mealwood.

Lettuce takes very little labor to grow and salt water is quite abundant, but it's hot when it comes out of the vent and will need cooled.  It also is very bulky; it will quickly eat up all of your food storage space for very few calories.  Once you get a source of NG and can use a NG grill to cook it up with some mushrooms though, it can be great.  You don't have to grow very much lettuce at all and it boosts the calories of your fried mushrooms considerably, and the mushroom wraps take up the same space but have more calories than fried mushrooms.

There is also the question of what you are doing with the mealwood currently.  If you are turning it into lice loaf, it's using more water than berries will for the same number of additional calories.  If you are eating it raw, then you need to grow so many plants that are going to need so much labor to maintain that you may not have any time for anything else.  So either way, get off of mealwood asap

[Badpip]

Meal lice consume 50kg dirt /cycle per duplicant

Fried mushroom consume 10,72 kg slime / cycle per dup

Lettuce consume 1.25 kg of bleach stone and 12.5 kg of salt water / cycle per dup

Gristle berry consume 60kg water / cycle per dup

so mealwood consume more ressources  than others plants exept bristle blossom

You can feed 0.111 dupe with one dupe pee with bristle blossom  per cycle