Help picking hardware

[SharraShimada]

The problem is, that those values are not properly transmitted all the time. We got 2 sets of identical hardware (board, CPU, RAM). On mine the system booted up. detected everything fine, activating the RAM at its peak stats, and everything was fine. On my friends one, the system booted with lower values, first refusing to run the memory with its higher values. They had to be set by hand, and then it was fine. You just cant rely on the system detecting everything right.

[Gurgel]

1 hour ago, SharraShimada said:

The problem is, that those values are not properly transmitted all the time. We got 2 sets of identical hardware (board, CPU, RAM). On mine the system booted up. detected everything fine, activating the RAM at its peak stats, and everything was fine. On my friends one, the system booted with lower values, first refusing to run the memory with its higher values. They had to be set by hand, and then it was fine. You just cant rely on the system detecting everything right.

Hmm. CPUs have variations in the analog parts (such as memory line drivers and receivers), and your friend could just have gotten something a bit slower. It may be perfectly fine or your friend may have a bit-error problem now. I would recommend running something like memtest86+ overnight, just to be sure. 

[SharraShimada]

Dont you worry. We both are very firm when it comes to tech stuff. We are both grown up with that stuff when it was new and crude back in the days. We dont just use it, we understand the tech.

[Gurgel]

2 hours ago, SharraShimada said:

Dont you worry. We both are very firm when it comes to tech stuff. We are both grown up with that stuff when it was new and crude back in the days. We dont just use it, we understand the tech.

Excellent. Then you do not need my advice

[SharraShimada]

43 minutes ago, Gurgel said:

Excellent. Then you do not need my advice

nah, but its welcome ^^

[psusi]

On 3/23/2020 at 8:36 PM, Gurgel said:

These parameters are not absolutes and they are not complete. For example, drive strength needs to be adjusted to the number and placement of modules. The information in the SPDs is not enough for that, mainboard manufacturer actually need to run test series with memory modules and when faced with something outside of those tests, the BIOS needs to make a decision. That decision will usually be to play it safe.

I don't recall ever seeing a parameter called "drive strength" in the intel reference manuals... I guess I'm about due for another exciting read through.

 

[FenrirZeroZero]

Is the 9900k from Intel slower in Oni then the X3950 from AMD? 

All other Benchmarks i have seen are pointing otherwise 

[Gurgel]

5 hours ago, psusi said:

I don't recall ever seeing a parameter called "drive strength" in the intel reference manuals... I guess I'm about due for another exciting read through.

AMD calls it that (if I remember correctly). But AMD memory controllers have been ahead of Intel for a while and may be able to do things Intel cannot.

1 hour ago, FenrirZeroZero said:

Is the 9900k from Intel slower in Oni then the X3950 from AMD? 

All other Benchmarks i have seen are pointing otherwise 

Intel may (or may not) give you a few frames more, but AMD has far less jitter in its performance generally and in Oni and hence performs smoothly in Oni at lower frame-rates. 

[Lilalaunekuh]

Since the last update (banhis-automation-innovation-pack) does my game have problems running on 16GB of ram.

 

[If I boot up my biggest base >30mb savefile and >5000 cycles playtime and let it run for some time (first autosave will not break it, but I can´t let the game run for 1-2 hours), the overhead needed to do the autosave can result in an out of memory exception thrown by my operation system.]

 

=> Since this game is still growing in complexity and a dlc will add some more, I would recommend going for >16gb of ram

[Stoned]

On 25.3.2020 at 8:54 PM, FenrirZeroZero said:

Is the 9900k from Intel slower in Oni then the X3950 from AMD? 

All other Benchmarks i have seen are pointing otherwise 

I would love to have data on that as well. Real measured data, not in benchmark suites and FPS games but in real played ONI environment. I think we need yet another benchmark thread.

[SharraShimada]

Based on the raw data comparing 9900k and 3950x they are just a few % apart from each others in benchmarks. 

I dont think the difference in ONI would be even noticable. 

In terms of price, the 9900k would be better choice. Its now cheaper, but it only comes with 8 cores. When it comes to ONI thats enough, and the 16 cores of the AMD CPU would not make an impact on the game. ONI does not scale that well over many cores. 

The only way, the 3950X would be superior is in a scenario, one would deactivate 8 of the 16 cores, so the remaining cores can run with a higher clock speed.  If you crank this cPU up to 5GHz on 8 cores (proper cooling given) it may give a slightly better performance compared to the Intel CPU.