Craigjw Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 This is how to convert oil to petrol, submerge your outlet. This is simple and effective, very much more effective than dripping your oil onto the top from above, which has many many issues. This works, and is just better, it doesn't even need priming, just start pumping oil and it works. It is auto limiting. Just built the thing and wondering what to do? just press start and pump that oil into the system, there is absolutely NO need to wait for it to reach temperature. The principle is, that when the vent tile is full, the oil stops flowing. when sufficient temperature has been reached, it turns to petrol and the oil resumes flowing, while ONLY petrol ever comes out from the top, You will never have oil spill over into your counter flow exchange. Why people still drop oil from above is totally beyond me, this design is far superior in every possible way. Some examples. Below, the temperature isn't hot enough, so the oil stops flowing. When temperature is reached, it'll flow again. You can even use a really high column, it still works If your dripping oil from above, then you are doing it wrong. If you've read my post and are still dripping oil from above, then i'm afraid you fail. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 While I agree that using liquid vent like this is optimal solution it is "is totally beyond me" why people use robominers in their boilers, instead of build it in a way that magma always solidifies into chunks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 I would have liked to use a method that allows magma to form chunks, but the only way I knew used a sealed chamber and the chunks weren't recoverable, so I used the method above. This was only shown to demonstrate the fantastic column of petrol. It's actually no extra work to submerge the vent, but gives rise to so much more win. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Here is how you can make sure that magma turns to chunks - it needs to be below 1472kg when solidifying: Here is automation from my current oil boiler: Hydrosensor set to above 0 First filter set to 5s Seconf filter set to 3s Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 That's a really nice design, thank you for that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 You're welcome Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Craigjw said: The principle is, that when the vent tile is full, the oil stops flowing. What you talkin' 'bout Willis? The vent stops when the tile reaches 1000 kg. Oil will flow up when it reaches 870 kg. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, psusi said: What you talkin' 'bout Willis? The vent stops when the tile reaches 1000 kg. Oil will flow up when it reaches 870 kg. So you haven't even take a look at the OP's screenshots yet you decided to comment? Nice... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 We are definitely snarky today! =^.^= Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Angpaur said: So you haven't even take a look at the OP's screenshots yet you decided to comment? Nice... I don’t see how OP’s screenshots answer the question either... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Angpaur said: So you haven't even take a look at the OP's screenshots yet you decided to comment? Nice... Of course I saw the screen shot. I'm saying it can't work. At least not for the reason the OP said since the vent won't stop adding oil until it hits 1000kg, not when it is "full" which happens at 870 kg. When I added petrol to the under side of my rockets, it pressurized the chamber to 1000kg which is overpressure for petrol so it started damaging the walls. I had to take out one of the bunker tiles on top and take out the vent then let the excess flow up and out into space for a minute. Before the vent was taken out, it kept pumping in more petrol, which flowed up above the vent and was lost to space. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, psusi said: I'm saying it can't work. But yet it works. Magic? Or you just don't know yet that if there are 2 tiles above of petroleum then oil will stay in that one tile and when it reaches 1000kg then vent will be blocked? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, Angpaur said: But yet it works. Magic? Or you just don't know yet that if there are 2 tiles above of petroleum then oil will stay in that one tile and when it reaches 1000kg then vent will be blocked? So why not share that mechanic instead of just being an a**hole? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixenzo Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, Angpaur said: if there are 2 tiles above of petroleum then oil will stay in that one tile First time I hear of this. Why would the one element per tile rule work like this if naive experience (wut) tells that oil should continue to push upwards until the bottom tile of the column reaches 1000kg? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Angpaur said: But yet it works. Magic? Or you just don't know yet that if there are 2 tiles above of petroleum then oil will stay in that one tile and when it reaches 1000kg then vent will be blocked? You mean if there is petrol on top of oil it will force the oil to over-pressurize? I very much doubt that. More likely the OP simply has enough extra heat that the oil cooks before overflowing without the vent needing to block. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, psusi said: More likely the OP simply has enough extra heat that the oil cooks before overflowing without the vent needing to block. Then how you will explain OP's screenshot clearly showing tile of oil with more than 1000kg at 4C below transition point, blocking the vent? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 I don't understand why people are even trying to suggest that this doesn't work. I've been using this for ages and it's never failed, not once and just works perfectly. Lets say the whole system is at 100c, it's all empty. You pump oil into it. When the tile is full, the vent is blocked and that's it. When it starts turning to petrol, the vent is released and oil now flows and the petrol is pushed up with the new cold oil remaining at the bottom. When there is insufficient temperature to convert the oil, the vent blocks and you have a single of oil that continues to block the vent until sufficient temperature is reached to convert the oil to petrol again. This is the way forward for converting oil to petrol. If you can't accept that this system does not work, then try it for yourself. 5 hours ago, psusi said: You mean if there is petrol on top of oil it will force the oil to over-pressurize? I very much doubt that. More likely the OP simply has enough extra heat that the oil cooks before overflowing without the vent needing to block. Yes, that's exactly how it works... The OP does not have enough heat to turn the oil to petrol and the vent has become overpressure. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 @Craigjw - I believe you that it works; it’s just strange. In other contexts when a tile is over it’s normal ‘max pressure’ it would flow upwards. Why that doesn’t happen here is unclear... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 Are you sure that is what happens though? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixenzo Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, Craigjw said: I don't understand why people are even trying to suggest that this doesn't work Because the people don't understand why would the oil overpressure when in every other scenario in the game it would simply push upwards until the compression of the column reaches 1000 kg at the bottom. People question the mechanic, not the build using it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 the oil pushes up the petrol by exactly 1 tile, until the single tile with oil is full, then the vent becomes over-pressure and can't output any more oil. This is also why I called my original post describing this system, the Over-Pressure Distillation Machine or OPDM. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 If there is only one tile of petroleum above it will be pushed. But if there are 2 it won't. Maybe if total mass of petroleum above is higher than 1000kg it won't be pushed. I will test this more. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yalp Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Maybe this helps the discussion... https://giant.gfycat.com/CoolPleasantAardvark.webm Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 In my original development of this, which was late autumn last year, I'm sure that I was able to just pump oil into it and it auto blocked the vent without any petrol in there, so it would auto prime, however after a little testing just now, this might not be the case, it might need a teeny tiny amount of petrol in there to start working and block the vent, as Yalp so kindly has shown us. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 OK, so I tested it some more and result is that oil will not push petroleum if either it is below or equal to 740kg or if total petroleum mass above is more than 1000kg. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114911-oil-to-petrol-conversion-chamber/#findComment-1298389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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