caffeinated21 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Does anyone have a method for cooling (non-thermium) robo-miners that: Doesn't vent (useful) materials to space Doesn't block light to solar panels? Works with glass tiles (I don't like using gas / airflow tiles to allow light; feels cheaty to me) (I recognize these are silly, overly-stringent constraints; I've got weird OCD about this...) Reading about the latest sour gas boiler made me think that maybe this finally a good use of sulfur. Not sure if it will suck enough heat (with its dismal SHC and TC) before it gets sucked out to space. If not, I could *barely* violate the rules above by using drywall, only dropping the sulfur at night, and dropping a *drop* of ethanol to push the last little bit of liquid sulfur off the dry-walled tile.... Or I could just accept that I don't really care about maximizing my solar power... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
auron471 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I haven’t tried this, but maybe put the robo miner on top of a metal tile, and cooling the metal tiles with radiant pipes with a coolant inside? Such as water Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Put the miner on any tile (glass should work) and drip some water on it. Make sure to use drywalls to keep the water from going into space. For falling Regolith, I usually make that 10g/sec at 30C or so. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gurgel said: Put the miner on any tile (glass should work) and drip some water on it. Make sure to use drywalls to keep the water from going into space. For falling Regolith, I usually make that 10g/sec at 30C or so. Rule #1! Water is life! 7 minutes ago, auron471 said: I haven’t tried this, but maybe put the robo miner on top of a metal tile, and cooling the metal tiles with radiant pipes with a coolant inside? Such as water Na, unfortunately buildings don't transfer heat to the tiles they are built on (they really should... KLEI, are you listening!!!???) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promethien Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 @Tonyroid 's build will likely work with glass. You might need to add more heat sinks to it tho. Another line of tempshift plates would cover it for sure. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 Petrol drops lux by 80% Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promethien Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Its fine that you didn't understand what he did to get around that in the video. However I am pretty sure he explains it clearly though its obvious right away how he did it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 @caffeinated21 What about 2 hours ago, Promethien said: Its fine that you didn't understand what he did to get around that in the video. So nice, that you are here, to tell him that.. You linked a 50min. long video without timestamp and rails are used. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmoop Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 9 hours ago, caffeinated21 said: Does anyone have a method for cooling (non-thermium) robo-miners that: Doesn't vent (useful) materials to space Doesn't block light to solar panels? Works with glass tiles (I don't like using gas / airflow tiles to allow light; feels cheaty to me) (I recognize these are silly, overly-stringent constraints; I've got weird OCD about this...) Reading about the latest sour gas boiler made me think that maybe this finally a good use of sulfur. Not sure if it will suck enough heat (with its dismal SHC and TC) before it gets sucked out to space. If not, I could *barely* violate the rules above by using drywall, only dropping the sulfur at night, and dropping a *drop* of ethanol to push the last little bit of liquid sulfur off the dry-walled tile.... Or I could just accept that I don't really care about maximizing my solar power... What I used last time was thermium miners, placed on glass tiles. My game started lagging at that point (cycle 1000) but for the time I used it - the miners did not still over heat. My plan was to move petroleum coolnat through the glass pipes. as to point 1: why is it important? I had another idea where you use liquid pressure sensors and have a thin layer of petroleum all the time. when it evaporates its lost to space but at that point petroleum/water are renewable resources so who cares. however its good only for airflow tiles, if you plan on using glass already, there is no need, as the glass can work as heat transparent itself. poist 2: both those methods block a bit of sunlight but its <10%. at any rate, you can also work with dupe power. have the dupes clean the 'roof' after meteor showers. Thats what I do until I get niobium. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 13 hours ago, caffeinated21 said: Does anyone have a method for cooling (non-thermium) robo-miners that: Doesn't vent (useful) materials to space Doesn't block light to solar panels? Works with glass tiles (I don't like using gas / airflow tiles to allow light; feels cheaty to me) I posted a build last year that might be useful, Keep the glass cold (use any method you like) and the falling regolith will get cold on contact and bury any miners/sweepers/loaders and cool them too, I have tested it and still works if everything is built with steel here's a time laps in thermal view with hot regolith on top of the bunker doors Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 This is awesome Neotuck. I don’t mind the extra power requirement as I will be swimming in it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 13 hours ago, caffeinated21 said: Na, unfortunately buildings don't transfer heat to the tiles they are built on (they really should... KLEI, are you listening!!!???) That would be an improvement. I think every other building does transfer heat to what it is standing on (or bolted to for walls/ceiling). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gurgel said: That would be an improvement. I think every other building does transfer heat to what it is standing on (or bolted to for walls/ceiling). heat transfer happens between tiles or a building and a tile it occupies in other words buildings can only transfer heat with the tiles it occupies like gas and liquids (solids if buried) the only exception is if a building takes up the full tile like building tiles, and closed doors Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Neotuck said: heat transfer happens between tiles or a building and a tile it occupies in other words buildings can only transfer heat with the tiles it occupies like gas and liquids (solids if buried) the only exception is if a building takes up the full tile like building tiles, and closed doors Update: You are right, I confused building contents and building. Nope. For example, Glass forge goes to a floor tile it stands on. For storage compactors it goes to the tile they stand on. (May be a recent change though, never noticed that before.) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 47 minutes ago, Gurgel said: Nope. For example, Glass forge goes to a floor tile it stands on. For storage compactors it goes to the tile they stand on. (May be a recent change though, never noticed that before.) Gurgle- are you sure you aren’t referring to the CONTENTS of a building? B/c they do transfer to the floor (I think they act like debris sitting on the floor). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, caffeinated21 said: Gurgle- are you sure you aren’t referring to the CONTENTS of a building? B/c they do transfer to the floor (I think they act like debris sitting on the floor). Woops, you are correct. My mistake. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 @Neotuck - idea I’m gonna try out to possibly improve on the design: do the cooling at the bunker doors instead of the glass, and just passively cooling to steam turbines. With a layer of temp shifts above the bunker doors I bet I could get all the regolith below steel overheat temp, even for the final meteors landing right before the doors open. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 21 hours ago, caffeinated21 said: @Neotuck - idea I’m gonna try out to possibly improve on the design: do the cooling at the bunker doors instead of the glass, and just passively cooling to steam turbines. With a layer of temp shifts above the bunker doors I bet I could get all the regolith below steel overheat temp, even for the final meteors landing right before the doors open. I might be wrong but I think pipes can be damaged by meteor impacts even behind bunker doors. Hopefully I'm wrong, good luck Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Neotuck said: I might be wrong but I think pipes can be damaged by meteor impacts even behind bunker doors. Hopefully I'm wrong, good luck Nope... I've got my rocket out in the open and the pipes are not damaged. I've even seen the hot exhaust cause flaking of 5 kg chunks of magma off of them that then solidifies into igneous a second later and it doesn't seem to hurt the pipes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Originally meteors damaged pipes and wires. But after the rocketry upgrade they removed it. It was really hard to build stuff in a way so they won`t take any damage, maybe even impossible so they made them take none. They still made sounds when hit and showed a "meteor damage" floating text but no actual damage happened. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1295976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanN87 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Steel will need about 100+ cycles to reach it's overheat temp so just replace a few time then you can replace them with space material. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1296073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 8 hours ago, lanN87 said: Steel will need about 100+ cycles to reach it's overheat temp so just replace a few time then you can replace them with space material. Super limited on tungsten; can’t waste it on robo-miners. Was working on cooling the regolith directly at the blast doors when my game started crashing:( Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1296164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, caffeinated21 said: Super limited on tungsten; can’t waste it on robo-miners. Was working on cooling the regolith directly at the blast doors when my game started crashing:( sorry to hear about your game crashing I tried to test your idea myself last night, I have a cooling liquid piped though the bunkers and the glass, seems to work and haven't had any problems yet Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1296185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, Neotuck said: sorry to hear about your game crashing I tried to test your idea myself last night, I have a cooling liquid piped though the bunkers and the glass, seems to work and haven't had any problems yet Are you using any temp shifts at either level? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1296191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, caffeinated21 said: Are you using any temp shifts at either level? No, they aren't really needed Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114681-robo-miner-cooling/#findComment-1296193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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