Cortex Avery Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Excuse my possible ignorance, and lack of will to keep researching, but from what i can see gold has one of the lowest smelting temperature. Maybe it has not much to do with ooverheating temperature (overhaeting in anycase happen way before the 1000 degres needed to smelt gold) But I do not find any indication that gold has such particular hability, yet I know it has some use but i wonder... is the overheating mechanic of gold is more of an ONI thing or is it a reality translated into the game (whether translated well or not). It seems to me that building stuff in gold entirely should not have that much use. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannedSmeef Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 The ore version of gold (Gold Amalgam) grants +90 degrees of overheat resistance compared to other ores, the refined version of gold doesn't have the same property (if I'm correct) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1286501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortex Avery Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 And is it the reflect of a real caractéristic of gold irl ? of gold amalgam as you pointed out. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1286537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunazone Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 It may just be a gameplay mechanic since gold is usually a little off to the side. Maybe the better temperature properties can give newer players a sense of progression when they're trying to pump more heated liquids or gasses. It may be incentive to go to the surface or mine out a close slime biome. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1286553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortex Avery Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 Yeah I would have guessed it's (if not an actual property of gold) a question of balance. Added to the usefullness of gold in terms of decor I just... do I fail to see the use of other materials or gold would be idealy pretty much everywhere ? With of course few hability to do so seeing the amount you can find. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1286563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 hours ago, CannedSmeef said: The ore version of gold (Gold Amalgam) grants +90 degrees of overheat resistance compared to other ores, the refined version of gold doesn't have the same property (if I'm correct) In what units could it possibly be +90? What ever unit it is, it sounds silly \s. But you should say what the units you are using are to avoid confusion. 90 F or 50 C. Gold amalgum's overheat temperature could be related to its fairly stable chemical composition. Gold on its own is hard to rust (which is why it doesn't tarnish), and gold amalgam is more stable I think. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1286592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Funny observation: When googeling "Gold Amalgam", the 3rd hit is for ONI Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1286759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortex Avery Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 Oh, yeah gold doesn't corrode and oxygen does'nt even affect it. There might be something there to explain the overheat bonus. And you did good precising the type measure, cause i was thinking in centigrades not in farenheit. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1286761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derringer Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I'm guessing the increased overheat temperature is there to help keep the pitifully low SHC and TC from making the stuff unusable. In any case, some alloys are physically better behaved than others across larger temperature ranges. Invar (typically 64% iron, 36% nickel) has an exceptionally low coefficient of thermal expansion, although it's prone to creeping under sustained mechanical forces. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1290749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm6436 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 My head-canon for the 90F/50C buff is more that gold is one of the best conductors of both heat and electricity and that heat transfer is a function of the relative temperature value between the source and the target body. In that light, I see it as more of a gamification of that increased heat transfer capability. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1290810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yalp Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 On 25.11.2019 at 5:23 PM, CannedSmeef said: the refined version of gold doesn't have the same property (if I'm correct) Gold Amalgam keeps its overheat temp. modifier when refined into Gold. On 25.11.2019 at 9:00 PM, Cortex Avery said: do I fail to see the use of other materials or gold would be idealy pretty much everywhere ? Depending on your map/seed, there might not be that much/no gold amalgam. Gold's decor bonus gives it value for moral boosting as well. For buildings usually made from ore, you can use Steel or Thermium which give even higher overheat protection (200°C and 900°C). For buildings made from refined metals, there's also copper, which gives the same +50°C as gold. (Edit: Same for Iron, +50°C, thx to @psusi for pointing it out) So if you have an abundance of gold, sure why not make everything from gold (/amalgam), until something better/more fitting comes along . Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1290846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Yalp said: Gold Amalgam keeps its overheat temp. modifier when refined into Gold. Yes, and refined copper and iron also get the overheat bonus, but the only two things you can build out of them that have an overheat temperature to get a bonus are smart batteries and large power transformers. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1291034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yalp Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, psusi said: Yes, and refined copper and iron also get the overheat bonus, but the only two things you can build out of them that have an overheat temperature to get a bonus are smart batteries and large power transformers. and Atmo/Jet Suit Docks/Checkpoints, Gas/Liquid Shutoffs, Shipping stuff and others stuff Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1291054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, Yalp said: and Atmo/Jet Suit Docks/Checkpoints, Gas/Liquid Shutoffs, Shipping stuff and others stuff I guess the docks do have an overheat temperature technically, but you have to keep them cooler than 75 anyway or your dupes will burn before they can get in the suit. I guess I did miss the conveyor loader and it seems also the auto miner and sweeper. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1291059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 11/25/2019 at 2:47 PM, Zarquan said: In what units could it possibly be +90? What ever unit it is, it sounds silly \s. But you should say what the units you are using are to avoid confusion. 90 F or 50 C. Click the book icon. Search for Gold. Click on "Gold Amalgam (Solid)" Looks like the additional temperature overheat is +50C. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1291222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaekai Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 11/25/2019 at 11:32 AM, Squeegee said: better temperature properties can give newer players a sense of progression It's exactly this. Think of it like the trope of golden weapons/armor in RPGs. In reality gold is a terrible choice for weapons/armor compared to iron or steel, but games aren't reality. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1291265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 16 hours ago, KittenIsAGeek said: Click the book icon. Search for Gold. Click on "Gold Amalgam (Solid)" Looks like the additional temperature overheat is +50C. My point wasn't that I didn't know what gold amalgam does, my point is that I wanted the OP to show which units they were using. A change of +90 F is the same as a change of +50C. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1291462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Zarquan said: My point wasn't that I didn't know what gold amalgam does, my point is that I wanted the OP to show which units they were using. A change of +90 F is the same as a change of +50C. I agree that units should always be labeled. I've made posts about it in the past. It also felt like some of the others in the thread didn't know where to find the information on their own. So I posted some images to show where to find the information. I apologize if I was wrong about that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1291610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerFux Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 It's what Derringer said: Gold has a relatively low coefficient of thermal expansion. So machines made of gold don't fail so soon when exposed to heat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113838-why-is-gold-the-best-materaial-to-prevent-overheating/#findComment-1291655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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