RJenkos Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 All of a sudden my atmo suits and snazzy suits are vanishing. I can't pinpoint when this is happening, but it has started after the last update. I first noticed it when one of my dupes was purging an oil well and started suffocating. I assume the suit vanished while they were down there. I've seen several dupes in very dangerous areas and not wearing a suit. Soon after all 26 of my docks were empty! Today I see that all of my dupes are wearing their default clothes again. I have my exo suit forge on continuous and I have to keep making suits too. This was not previously an issue for me in any save. Is this a feature or a bug? This is on a very complex 1,000 day world. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Unless the suits melt, this should not be happening. Some unsafe work with lava? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1181689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 There was a bug with exosuits disappearing, not sure if it was fixed. It was caused by a mod removing neutronium form the bottom of the map. Are you using it by any chance? If so there was a workaround requiring to use debug and place a single neutronium tile in the bottom left corner of them map. Other clothes had a different bug where they would change into carbon when a dupe was near too hot stuff (even in exosuits). Might be still there, or it might be another instance of the first one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1181747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJenkos Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 My only mods are the zoom and 3 interests. It's still happening. None of my dupes come in direct contact with lava, but they do work in my natural gas realm a lot. Nothing has really changed other than the update. They won't wear a snazzy suit for more than a day or so. Doesn't show up in my inventory either. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1181928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 5 hours ago, RJenkos said: None of my dupes come in direct contact with lava, but they do work in my natural gas realm a lot. Exosuits melt like dirt - same temperature and result. If you have weird blocks of sand with round mass, in places where they don't belong, it could be melted exosuits. If you don't have 300+C temperatures nearby, it's not melted exosuits. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1182035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Coolthulhu said: Exosuits melt like dirt You mean snazzy suits, right? Those change into carbon at around 300oC. Atmo suits are safe up to almost 800oC and even then they shouldn`t melt before the copper melting point, plus on top of that they take a while heat up to that temperature. I`m not sure what`s causing it but to be extra sure try enabling debug and check if the bottom left corner tile is neutronium or magma. If it`s magma it might be the cause of the issue. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1182119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJenkos Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 None of my dupes can leave the base without passing a exosuit checkpoint, so they should all be wearing an exosuit when in the NG realm. the bottom block probably was magma? It was sand and I painted a neutronium border around the sides and bottom. Even in the NG realm it's not very hot 200 degrees F is about as hot as the dupes can get to. I have a transit tube system down there that hasn't melted yet if that tells you anything. It's worth mentioning this save is well over a year old. I've put a LOT of work into it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1182184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Sasza22 said: You mean snazzy suits, right? Those change into carbon at around 300oC. Atmo suits are safe up to almost 800oC No, I mean atmo suits. It may have changed when I wasn't looking, but if it didn't, atmos melt below 400C. It isn't always immediately obvious because they have quite a bit of mass and are usually racked in cool places, but they melt well below the temperatures they protect dupes from. Check materials of a produced atmo suit item (not the recipe, the result). Last time I checked, it was dirt. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1182198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJenkos Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 Copper ore and reed fiber are the ingredients for an atmo suit Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1182206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJenkos Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 And the melting point of dirt is 620 degrees f Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1182241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, RJenkos said: And the melting point of dirt is 620 degrees f Which is ~326 Celsius. Or for those who play the game right, ~599 Kelvin. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1182261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 3 hours ago, RJenkos said: the bottom block probably was magma? It was sand and I painted a neutronium border around the sides and bottom So if the suits really melt into sand that`s where the sand might have ended. Let us know if placing neutronium there fixed the issue. 3 hours ago, RJenkos said: It's worth mentioning this save is well over a year old. I've put a LOT of work into it. Might be the cause of the problem. some changes to worldgen could prevent this from ahppening in newer maps. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1182335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer Ipsquiggle Posted April 22, 2019 Developer Share Posted April 22, 2019 You jogged my memory and I think I've got a solution to this put in. We'll test it it out and it should make it into a patch sometime in the future! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1182751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I thought they wore out over time? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1182789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJenkos Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Ipsquiggle said: You jogged my memory and I think I've got a solution to this put in. We'll test it it out and it should make it into a patch sometime in the future! Thank you! Let me know when it's live or I would be happy to test it for you. On 4/21/2019 at 2:42 PM, Sasza22 said: So if the suits really melt into sand that`s where the sand might have ended. Let us know if placing neutronium there fixed the issue. Might be the cause of the problem. some changes to worldgen could prevent this from ahppening in newer maps. I think in an update the world got expanded by a few blocks so the sand could have come from a number of places. The last time I played I had to build a new set of suits again so I'll see if the problem got fixed. 8 hours ago, 0xFADE said: I thought they wore out over time? If that's true it took well over 500 days for that to happen the first time and now they seem to be all gone within 10. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1183037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJenkos Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 I believe the Neutronium in the corner has fixed this. Thank you for the help! 50 more days and no clothes have vanished! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/105147-are-dupes-losing-their-clothes/#findComment-1187455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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