SuperCoolAnt Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Please show the scheme by which you can ensure that the pumps pumped only the full volume. An example of inefficient use that I want to avoid is when the pump pumps up small amounts of water absorbed by the electrolyzer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 how about an element sensor on the pipes to automate the pumps? set it up that the pump will only run when the pipe is empty Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, SuperCoolAnt said: Please show the scheme by which you can ensure that the pumps pumped only the full volume. An example of inefficient use that I want to avoid is when the pump pumps up small amounts of water absorbed by the electrolyzer. From what I have observed it never happens in the case you mention. The pump will always wait that the first segment of pipe is empty then do one pump action and stop again. The only case where a pump will not pump a full 10kg packet is when there is not 10kg of liquid in the area around the pump. Consumers will not matter on that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Christophlette said: The only case where a pump will not pump a full 10kg packet is when there is not 10kg of liquid in the area around the pump. Consumers will not matter on that. Exactly this. If liquid pump was pumping 1kg packets constantly you would see in daily reports that its power consumption should be ~144kJ. But in reality it is ~15kJ, so 10 times less. You don't have to worry about this. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCoolAnt Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 Just now, Christophlette said: From what I have observed it never happens in the case you mention. The pump will always wait that the first segment of pipe is empty then do one pump action and stop again. The only case where a pump will not pump a full 10kg packet is when there is not 10kg of liquid in the area around the pump. Consumers will not matter on that. is it? What about little balls that constantly flow through the pipe? as I can see, the pump sucks these little drops when a little free space appears in the pipe. Just now, Angpaur said: Exactly this. If liquid pump was pumping 1kg packets constantly you would see in daily reports that its power consumption should be ~144kJ. But in reality it is ~15kJ, so 10 times less. You don't have to worry about this. not understood. statistics is lying? Or do you want to say that the pump spends less energy sucking a small ball? As far as I know, the pump spends the same amount of energy sucking any volume. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, SuperCoolAnt said: not understood. statistics is lying? Or do you want to say that the pump spends less energy sucking a small ball? As far as I know, the pump spends the same amount of energy sucking any volume. No, I'm just repeating what @Christophlette has already said - pump pumps 10kg packets, but is doing it only every 10 seconds. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 The pump is not on but has the "pipe blocked" while small packets of water flow though until a full segment of pipe near the pump becomes empty Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCoolAnt Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Neotuck said: how about an element sensor on the pipes to automate the pumps? set it up that the pump will only run when the pipe is empty I will recheck in the evening, but it seems the size of the pump is such that it does not allow the sensor to be placed directly next to the green exit. This creates one extra cell, behind which only the sensor can be placed. This will create a delay. If the flow is full (without small balls), then, I am afraid, this will lead to the fact that there will be gaps in the pipe between the reaching balls. Am i wrong ? You tried ? Just now, Neotuck said: The pump is not on but has the "pipe blocked" while small packets of water flow though until a full segment of pipe near the pump becomes empty Are you sure? Those. no problem at all? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 minute ago, SuperCoolAnt said: I will recheck in the evening, but it seems the size of the pump is such that it does not allow the sensor to be placed directly next to the green exit. This creates one extra cell, behind which only the sensor can be placed. This will create a delay. If the flow is full (without small balls), then, I am afraid, this will lead to the fact that there will be gaps in the pipe between the reaching balls. Am i wrong ? You tried ? there won't be gaps unless you are trying to pull more than 10kg per second Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCoolAnt Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 in general, you say that the functionality that I want is already built into the pump. The pump does not work until the space for the full volume is made free? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Just now, SuperCoolAnt said: in general, you say that the functionality that I want is already built into the pump. The pump does not work until the space for the full volume is made free? yes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Just now, SuperCoolAnt said: in general, you say that the functionality that I want is already built into the pump. The pump does not work until the space for the full volume is made free? Yes. For sure. It waits that the first pipe segment (10kg) if empty and then pump a full 10kg in the pipe. The little balls you see is the consumers sucking water but the pump is not functionning so it's not consuming power unless the pipe needs a full 10kg. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, SuperCoolAnt said: Are you sure? Those. no problem at all? The little balls (worst term ever!) are purely visual If you hover over the green port of your pump, you can easily see the pipe contents of that single piece of pipe connected to the pump. Watch it. The pump will be dormant until that packet depletes to zero, at which point it'll pulse and refill. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulwind Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Assuming there is a full packet of liquid available for the pump to grab. If you are asking the pump to suck up "the bottom of the barrel" then you can get smaller packets being pushed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1159944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gredalusiam Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Some of my pumps that aren't always covered in enough liquid...I'll hook them up to a hydro sensor and set the pressure high enough that they'll only run when there's a decent amount of liquid. Same with gas pumps, but with a gas pressure sensor. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1160208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 On 2019/2/27 at 3:18 AM, Christophlette said: The only case where a pump will not pump a full 10kg packet is when there is not 10kg of liquid in the area around the pump. Consumers will not matter on that. Another case is pumping mixed liquid/gas. Pump can absorb different kinds of element at same time, but it can send only one into pipes at a single second. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1160212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gredalusiam Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 I don't know if I'm understanding the conversation right, BUT: If you connect a hydro sensor to your pump and set it to only activate above a certain pressure, then it will only pump when there's a certain amount of liquid. You can do the same thing with a gas pump and an atmo sensor. In the screenshot, the pump isn't going, even though it's sitting in a bit of liquid. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1160504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckubis Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 only problem is that when the pump first activates it has to fill its internal tank before sending to the pipe(the 5k packet at the beginning) the volume sensor attached to a shut off valve shortly after the pump will keep the pump and its connected pipes up to the shut off full until the sensor trigger. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103341-efficiency-of-electricity-consumption-of-pumps-how-to-reach/#findComment-1160577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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