Craigjw Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 A question keeps popping up on the forum; why can't I make steel. Recipe's should be available when researched, not when the ingredients are available, this would be a much friendlier system for newer players. The current system of enabling a recipe once it's ingredients are available is just obtuse and completely unnecessary. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharraShimada Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 You cant research steel. So? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1133436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurve Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Unlock it when you research the metal refinery. Unlock space age material recipes when you research the protowhatchamacallitinizer. Buildings appear with a mystery icon in the menu when they can be researched; are greyed out when researched but their mats are unavailable; are colored and clickable when it becomes possible to build. Recipes should follow the same pattern, not simply appear at the last step. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1133451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, SharraShimada said: You cant research steel. So? But you can research a structure that creates steel as well as structures that require exclusively steel to be constructed. I guess we can count that as researching steel. I think all recipies should be visible from the start. Just so that new players have a direction to work towards. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1133471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharraShimada Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Sure, thats one way. The devs chose another way obviously. They want players to discover new things. Thats the way it is. Maybe they change it, maybe not. If not, there are always mods. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1133490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurve Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Could have sworn this was the suggestions and feedback forum, not the "it is what it is, just deal with it" forum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1133543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 They should change it, as it's insensitive to new players and unnecessarily awkward, aka obtuse. Another daily case of, How do I cook that? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1133829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heister Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Yeah the recipes should always be there. There's no way this is good for new players or even entertaining, because the only solution you have is google, and when you google you kill any intention of "They want players to discover new things.". +1 vote for recipes always being there. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1134214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozcuraz Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 On 12/19/2018 at 1:17 PM, Craigjw said: They should change it, as it's insensitive to new players and unnecessarily awkward, aka obtuse. Another daily case of, How do I cook that? I agree. In our local FB group,there are so many newcomers keep on asking this type of question since QoL upgrade Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1134357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancar Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Fully agree. There's no reason why recipes shouldn't be visible from the get go. If Klei wants to keep the lists smaller for brevity to keep newbs from being overwhelmed they can slot the recipes at the bottom of the list, greyed out, under a bar saying [unavailable].Clicking on it should give the same message as for greyed out buildings that a certain material hasn't been discovered yet. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1134382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsawn Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I agree as well. Started a new game and was just confused why no recipes at my musher were appearing. For a brand new player it must feel frustrating/confusing (or like a bug) considering one of your first priorities is food yet when you build a food machine nothing appears. The only way I can see it working is by adding 2 things: 1 - The machines should have a message saying new recipes will be uncovered as you find new materials. Maybe backed up y a tutorial message from the Overseer (you) 2 - There should be a notification when a new recipe is added to a machine (for example "Water discovered: new recipe available at Musher: Mush Bar" (with a clickable link which brings up the nearest musher). Even so for some of the basic food items I think the recipes should be there from the start, they give you some direction as to what resources you need first. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1134397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozcuraz Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 And now, new player comes and asks what fiber is almost every day in our local community. They do not know that what they are looking for is actually a product from plant, and yet blindly search through database under material/element category. At current state of the game it is not wise to introduce ONI to new player at all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1135922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoakenashi Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I like the idea that the ingredients of the recipe should always be visible. This way you always know what you need to discover to unlock the product. The product could remain a mystery or just be identified by name. This could even be tiered. If you build the Molecular Forge it could simply state you need to discover space travel (ie, build a telescope). This would help guide new players in right direction without taking away all the surprises Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1136075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I fully agree with this. It is just simply weird not to see options for steel etc. New players will not discover this in game, instead they will just ask endless questions on forums or gwt discoruage thinking that this is not yet in place as it is alpha version. Not everyone love this game from beginning and at day one jump to forum to spend multiple hours to read about it. It will get with time of course thats why we are here, but just like in other (well designed) games doors open always outside this change would just make game more approachable Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1136193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 Another post relating to this: And another: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1139791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoakenashi Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Looks like this is changing: On 1/3/2019 at 5:57 PM, Ipsquiggle said: Changed Status to Fixed We've improved this for the next release, both by adding a message when no recipes are discovered, and by being more generous about when recipes show up (only one ingredient is needed rather than all ingredients). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1140108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 About time. Another case just arrived in. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/100759-recipe-availability/#findComment-1142700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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