How??

[Scarecrow0_0]

Today Marks my 15th attempt at playing this game, and I have enjoyed putting many hours into developing a sound strategy. My only complaint is "Making a Mess" I thought this game was about survival, and really it's just about making sure your mindless duplicates can find a bathroom in time. At one point I had at least 10 Outhouses all cleaned out in my base at sol 20 and dupes would literally stand in front of them and take a crap. Amazingly, other dupes would then stroll through it instead of mopping it up, thus getting sick and vomiting. Honestly, I really enjoy the game, but for me after sol 25 I had more polluted water in my base then normal water, I mean I have no idea how these guys make this stuff!!! Anyone have any tips on a game that should be titled "A lot of Crap Included"

[Neotuck]

Do you have dirt available? Outhouses don't work without dirt

Screenshots can be helpful so we can see the problem

[Lacost]

Keep in mind that the printing pod is still a prototype. Printing a fully functional brain is incredibly complex, so don't expect your Dupes to have a higher brain activity than a dog ... a stupid one though.

 

Jokes aside: Outhouses need to be refilled with earth, so additionally to what Neotuck said assign a very high priority to outhouses so that your Dupes always refill them no matter what.

[Scarecrow0_0]

I recently played a game with this set - up. Would u say I need more outhouses (It didn't seem that they where always filled up) And yes I did supply with dirt. These are a couple pictures of my set up a few sols before it went wrong, any advice about the "Making a Mess" Problem and any advice in general of how to better my game (No spoilers plz) If any other info would help, just ask & Thx   

[Neotuck]

15 minutes ago, Scarecrow0_0 said:

I recently played a game with this set - up. Would u say I need more outhouses (It didn't seem that they where always filled up) And yes I did supply with dirt. These are a couple pictures of my set up a few sols before it went wrong, any advice about the "Making a Mess" Problem and any advice in general of how to better my game (No spoilers plz) If any other info would help, just ask & Thx 

Your outhouses are spaced out too far.  Make a single room with only one entrance with wash basins pointed towards the door so dupes wash their hands as they leave.  for 8 dupes 3 or 4 outhouses should be enough.  Just make sure you have the same number of wash basins so dupes don't pass them with dirty hands

Also try to trap some hatches in there, they will clean up any polluted dirt and polluted water bottles created by your outhouses and wash basins

 

[Scarecrow0_0]

Hmmm, I'll have to try that the next time I play, any other things that you would do differently based on what you saw from my set up?

 

[Neotuck]

4 minutes ago, Scarecrow0_0 said:

Hmmm, I'll have to try that the next time I play, any other things that you would do differently based on what you saw from my set up?

 

Build your outhouses on the first day, you will only need 2 to start.  You have too many dupes, don't print any more until you have a farm setup to supply food and don't dig too far from your base until you have good oxygen production

[Scarecrow0_0]

K, I'll keep that in mind, thx for the help

 

 actually last question, should I be putting my outhouses in the middle of my base or tucked away in a corner (Basically is location of outhouses important?)

 

[Neotuck]

corner, that way you only need to put the wash basins on one side

[Soulwind]

It is best to put them into a room off to the side at first.  That way yoy can add a door and make a full lavatory for the stress bonus. Also while you're on outhouses and basins you will have some polluted oxygen output and it's easier to have a single room with a deodorizer near the door to clean the o2

[Scarecrow0_0]

Okay, thank you

Should I be restricting what things my dupes do at the beginning stages or no? Ex: Burt should not supply because of his -3 athletics

[Neotuck]

Here's a basic guide I follow when starting a new game:

Cycle 1

Pause game and look around your start location and plan were you want to dig.  Dig to one side to build your bathroom one that is close to a body of water.  Try to have 2 outhouses 2 wash basins (priority 8) and 1 pitcher pump built before the cycle ends

Cycle 2-3

Build 1 storage container and set it to copper ore and algae (priority 7) these are limited and important resources you will need early game and you don't want hatches to eat them.  Dig out a room and build cots for your dupes

Cycle 4-6

Build a manual generator and connect it to a battery, an algae deoxydizer, and a research station, start researching basic farming.  Start digging out a room for your farm, you can also build a job board if you have time.

Cycle 7-9

Build your farm with planter boxes, about 10 should be fine to start and plant meal wood.(priority 8) and take meal lice off the consumables so your dupes don't eat them.  Build a microbe musher and set it to lice loaf (priority 8) don't make mush bars unless you're out of food.  

By cycle 10 you should have a well established base and can expand, explore, and print more dupes

[Scarecrow0_0]

hmm okay, I'm currently on cycle 4 and I have storage and cocots and whatnot, starting generater rn, I'll tell how it goes

 

[Scarecrow0_0]

K, at cycle 10 and I have mealwood going, anyone kno how to take meal lice off consumables (Or any food for that matter)

 

[vovik]

15 minutes ago, Scarecrow0_0 said:

K, at cycle 10 and I have mealwood going, anyone kno how to take meal lice off consumables (Or any food for that matter)

 

Consumables/Food[F] -> uncheck for everyone.

[Kasuha]

53 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

Cycle 1

Pause game and look around your start location and plan were you want to dig.  Dig to one side to build your bathroom one that is close to a body of water.  Try to have 2 outhouses 2 wash basins (priority 8) and 1 pitcher pump built before the cycle ends

 

Recommended order: build access to water. Build pitcher pump. Dig room for outhouses. Build washbasin, set its priority to 7. Build the outhouse. All of that can be usually done by end of cycle 1 and you may even already have some cots built when they go sleep.

For 8 duplicants two outhouses are sufficient, if you leave room for another washbasin and outhouse from the start, you can keep using them deep into mid-game.

57 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

Cycle 2-3

Build 1 storage container and set it to copper ore and algae (priority 7) these are limited and important resources you will need early game and you don't want hatches to eat them.  Dig out a room and build cots for your dupes

Cycle 4-6

Build a manual generator and connect it to a battery, an algae deoxydizer, and a research station, start researching basic farming.  Start digging out a room for your farm, you can also build a job board if you have time.

Actually yet another concern is polluted water management. Somewhere low in your base build a vertical shaft with a small room at the bottom (3x3 to 4x4 is fine) and put a bottle emptier on top of it. Put it behind another washbasin, or even better build this behind your outhouses. Set the emptier to polluted water and give it priority 6 or 7 to get your dupes dump your polluted water there, you may even deconstruct the acces ladder so your dupes don't go in. When you research deodorizers, put one next to the shaft. Again this can last rather long and you can take care of that water later.

1 hour ago, Neotuck said:

Cycle 7-9

Build your farm with planter boxes, about 10 should be fine to start and plant meal wood.(priority 8) and take meal lice off the consumables so your dupes don't eat them.  Build a microbe musher and set it to lice loaf (priority 8) don't make mush bars unless you're out of food.

I don't recommend liceloaf, it has higher kcal value but it's waste of water. In my experience there's plenty of dirt to keep your duplicants on meal lice until you can switch to bristle berries which makes much better use of your water and only requires light.

[Scarecrow0_0]

okay, I'll take that into consideration as well

[Kasuha]

2 hours ago, Scarecrow0_0 said:

I recently played a game with this set - up.

In your screenshots, I notice your duplicants are very stressed and you have bottles of polluted water everywhere. Build a polluted water dump (see my previous post) and take care of stress with a massage table. 

Oxygen, research, and massage table should be the first three uses of power you build and you should build them all early. Also don't forget to set the massage table priority high (e.g. 8) so your dupes go take a massage before everything else if they're stressed.

Best if you build the massage table in "recreational room" - all you need in it is the massage table and a briar in a pot. Later you can replace the flower with a painting.

Also, give your rooms walls/floors/ceilings, don't use natural tiles. Build walls from sandstone, it has positive decor which is good on stress. Later you can replace them with granite or plastic.

[Zarquan]

You should put paintings in the bedrooms.  They spend a lot of time sleeping and it reduces their stress a ton.  Get an artist with about +3 creativity and put him on the art job and you should get masterpieces.  If possible, make the paintings out of granite, as granite has a +20% decor bonus.  If you don't have granite, make it out of sandstone for it's +10% decor bonus. If you don't have sandstone....how would you not have sandstone?

If you can't stop the dupes from being stressed, I recommend you make the floor of your base a small reservoir topped with mesh tile.  That way, if they vomit or cry on the ladder, it goes in the reservoir and they don't get wet feet as often.

You should try to complete the rooms.  Your beds should be in a barracks, your bathrooms should be in a latrine, and your mess tables should be in a mess hall.  These rooms (except maybe the barracks) help with stress.

You have a kind of round-about way to get to the top of the base through the med bay.  I generally try to build one massive vertical ladder from the top to the bottom of my base.  Sometimes I build more than 1 if my base gets big enough.  I also put a fire poll next to my ladders.  I would recommend holding off on fire polls until you can make them out of iron, as iron is more plentiful and (I believe) certain things can only be made out of copper, like exosuits.  You should make sure your clean water reservoir isn't under your ladder, because if they make a mess on the ladder, it will fall to the bottom and if your clean water reservoir is there, it will become germy and your dupes could get sick.  There is also no real point in two side by side ladders.  Many dupes can occupy the same space and can travel in either direction through each other. 

Your method of dealing with polluted water will work fine in the short term.  Eventually, you will need to get a better system, but that should be okay for a long time.

I also have in the past put hatches in my bathrooms.  They eat the polluted water from the wash basins and the polluted dirt from the outhouses, which is great because then you don't have to deal with it.  However, I would recommend composting the polluted dirt in the occupational update, as fertilizer is an amazing resource when you get a good farm going.

Even if you can't support your colony with it, I would recommend growing bristle blossoms asap and plant as many as you can.  The earlier you plant them, the faster you can get off meal lice (which consumes dirt) and on to a renewable high quality food.  Always cook your food when possible.  You have little to lose and it increases the amount of food you produce and reduces stress.  Ideally, for renewable food, the goal should be berry sludge, but you can go a long way with just gristle berries.

Printing a lot of dupes early makes the game a lot harder, but it is certainly possible to succeed for a long time. 

[Player 2]

interesting stuff.

I try to set the bathrooms to priority seven to prevent what I call "outhouse backups", this puts the bathroom out of order and the dupes seem to not care and rather just leek everywhere, also I simply just have 3 for the game because, chances are your dupe count wont exhaust your outhouses, as Kashuha said 

22 hours ago, Kasuha said:

For 8 duplicants two outhouses are sufficient

3 outhouses, in term can supply 12 dupes, so not much of an issue there, also, quickly swap to, what they called..? oh well, just simply get the better toilets quickly.

also, i encountered the error before, if you hover over the outhouse and it says out of order, simply increase the priority, this doesn't happen with the upgraded toilets 

here is my design for dealing with polluted dirt, if it ever is an issue my way of working.tif

[Kasuha]

35 minutes ago, Dragon_master said:

I try to set the bathrooms to priority seven to prevent what I call "outhouse backups"

Oh right, yes. I do it every time but I forgot about it. All important maintenance tasks are good at priority 7 as that allows you to put some build/dig orders at priority 6 and still not interfere with them.

37 minutes ago, Dragon_master said:

just simply get the better toilets quickly

That's a tricky one. I'd say - yes, but only send that water to purifier and then avoid cooking with water. Or with that water. Irrigating with it is fine but it's just a bit too warm for bristle blossoms so either combine it with colder water or keep your plants cool using other means, such as building some ice sculptures nearby. But then watch for floods when they melt - best is probably to build the statues in shallow pools as that cold water still works as coolant even though it's no more a statue. It gets complicated.

Or you can stick to outhouses.

 

I also forgot about setting up a compost, that's another important part of waste disposal chain.

[Scarecrow0_0]

So Meal Lice or convert it to Lice Loaf, what one do we think is better?

[Zarquan]

7 minutes ago, Scarecrow0_0 said:

So Meal Lice or convert it to Lice Loaf, what one do we think is better?

I convert it to lice loaf because water is renewable through geysers.  Liceloaf is also less stressful.  I also try to get off meal lice ASAP because it uses dirt, which is needed for other things.

[Kasuha]

1 hour ago, Scarecrow0_0 said:

So Meal Lice or convert it to Lice Loaf, what one do we think is better?

I think you should try what suits you better.

Liceloaf = less dirt used, less plants needed (useful at the very start) but needs a lot of water. If your water is scarce, use raw. If you have plenty of water, you can go for liceloaf as easier option.

My opinion is, unless you have direct access to geyser, make your dupes eat raw lice and save water for Bristle Blossoms.

[Scarecrow0_0]

Okay, another question, I seem to have started to run out of algea, any solution?