Jumpp Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 So I use liquid reservoirs to buffer my diseased polluted water. And by chance, this group of reservoirs happened to be in a place with lots of chlorine gas. (I built it in a part of the base where I hadn't yet tamed the atmosphere.) And the chlorine very rapidly killed all the germs in the water, cheaply turning it into much-more-valuable "clean" PH2O. This feels too easy. Is this the intended behavior or a bug? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Intended. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 This was a topic 2 months ago, I had made a build that uses this to disinfect PW, back them people kept arguing that it was a bug that had already been fixed Well it's been 2 months now and it still works! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpp Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Cool. Feels cheesy, but I'll take it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickaux Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hmm... so is chlorine suddenly useful? There are already some settings for purifying polluted water and oxygen using this feature. It does feel a bit strange, there is question however, if killing germs truly makes polluted water "much-more-valuable". You can use PH2O with germs for everything, even H20 with germs doesn't affect plants in any way. The only device you need germ-free water for is water cooler. By the way, germs are so harmless right now (especially in the mid-game), that I'm wondering if there is even a need for a method to remove them from pretty much anything. Maybe slime, if you want to put mushroom farm inside the main base. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, mickaux said: Hmm... so is chlorine suddenly useful? There are already some settings for purifying polluted water and oxygen using this feature. It does feel a bit strange, there is question however, if killing germs truly makes polluted water "much-more-valuable". You can use PH2O with germs for everything, even H20 with germs doesn't affect plants in any way. The only device you need germ-free water for is water cooler. By the way, germs are so harmless right now (especially in the mid-game), that I'm wondering if there is even a need for a method to remove them from pretty much anything. Maybe slime, if you want to put mushroom farm inside the main base. That's a separate topic If food poisoning germs remains as harmless as it is now then it kinda makes the game feel unbalanced, I expect will have another "outbreak" update another reason I believe this is there are other germs listed in debug mode that are not yet added to survival Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 How long does it take to decontaminate? I think a simpler version of Neotuck's setup would just be if the tanks rotated outputs, with enough downtime on each tank to purify the water. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Yunru said: How long does it take to decontaminate? I think a simpler version of Neotuck's setup would just be if the tanks rotated outputs, with enough downtime on each tank to purify the water. also if you sieve the water first normal water decontaminates faster than PW Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpp Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Yunru said: How long does it take to decontaminate? I don't know how to quantify it? But, plenty fast enough for my purposes. I daisy-chained four reservoirs in a room with mostly NG and a little chlorine sloshing around the bottom, and piped in the outflow from showers, sinks, toilets, and algae refineries. So long as at least one of the tanks was completely full, the germs were found only in the partially full tank nearest the input. Germ-free water flowed out the back. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitroturtle Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, Yunru said: How long does it take to decontaminate? I think a simpler version of Neotuck's setup would just be if the tanks rotated outputs, with enough downtime on each tank to purify the water. I'm not sure how long it takes for all the germs to die, but to your second point, I do believe that's exactly how Neotuck's setup works. As I've said, I use the modified version I posted. Basically, one tank is always filling, one is decontaminating and one is draining. The automation rotates these around every 200 seconds. Also, decon tank allows the gas to rotate, otherwise the germs in the pipes don't die. This setup allows 10Kg/s processing and the only flaw I've found is that it breaks when you load the game unless you add the germ sensor on the output, due to buffer/filters resetting on load. edit: oops I didn't post in this thread, it was over here: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Gas/liquid reservoirs interact with the gasses they are surrounded in, but something to note is they also interact with the tiles they sit upon. I recall someone making a LH2 setup with a gas reservoir of chilled hydrogen, and the method of preventing all thermal interaction was mesh tiles, because mesh tiles take on the properties of the gas/liquid they contain. Placing the mesh tile and reservoir in vacuum gave perfect insulation. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixenzo Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Germs use half-lives, it takes approx 120s to fully disinfect water in a reservoir. Shouldn't depend on the amount of water, but with this game everything's possible. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 20 minutes ago, Ixenzo said: Germs use half-lives, it takes approx 120s to fully disinfect water in a reservoir. Shouldn't depend on the amount of water, but with this game everything's possible. Have to incorporate the time it takes fresh germy PW to fill the tank It's true my build doesn't need the full 200s, the extra time is just to be sure all germs are dead before the tank empties Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixenzo Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Neotuck said: Have to incorporate the time it takes fresh germy PW to fill the tank I'm talking the time after the input shutoff has been closed. The cycle is "input desired amount of water, close input shutoff, wait 120s, enable the reservoir's door". A basic setup using a clock sensor as water counter disinfects 2400kg of water per cycle per reservoir in ideal conditions. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ixenzo said: I'm talking the time after the input shutoff has been closed. The cycle is "input desired amount of water, close input shutoff, wait 120s, enable the reservoir's door". A basic setup using a clock sensor as water counter disinfects 2400kg of water per cycle per reservoir in ideal conditions. I'll run some tests on debug mode and get back to you Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixenzo Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Neotuck said: I'll run some tests on debug mode and get back to you Please do, I didn't bother testing extensively. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 8 hours ago, Neotuck said: Well it's been 2 months now and it still works! What happened to the V3 thread? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Just now, Yunru said: What happened to the V3 thread? I'm going to have to repost that there was a bit of an over site in my design and I had to redo it A new post should be up within an hour Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/98075-liquid-reservoir-gas-exposure-bug-or-feature/#findComment-1110843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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