Max profit from toilet (heat removal, killing germs, watering blossoms)

[kolyapedal]

Hey guys) Just wanna show you how I deal with my lavatory. I was inspired by that JukedByLife's video. He's a great guy, plays ONI at max difficulty on his channel. Although I don't understand everything he says but I really enjoy his gameplay

So I decided to simplify a little his setup and change some things. The setup is pretty elegant, a very simple automation, easy to build

Max profit from a lavatory:

killing germs, cooling the excess water with an Aquatuner (only for watering, the water that comes back to the lavatory is 40C), cooling down the Aquatuner, using the excess cool water for plants . The setup has been working for 100 cycles (ish). Everything's OK (but very laggy cause of the preview build)

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[JukedByLife]

Thank's for the mention man ;). I like how you combined germ killing into the setup, very clever.

[kolyapedal]

For the purpose of the video the dupes have been eating only mush bars and 4 blossoms are not enough to make my build self sufficient.  

@JukedByLife 

I thought it would be redundant to cool the water for toilet again and again. Only for blossoms. 

So I'm just waiting to see your invention implemented in your current "ravaging hunger" run )

[SkunkMaster]

Why blossoms ? and why not make any fert ? 

 

use toilet water for pinchas + fert

[kolyapedal]

2 minutes ago, SkunkMaster said:

use toilet water for pinchas + fert

as I understand @JukedByLife likes blossoms)))

[RonEmpire]

I don't think germ water matters as far as feeding the planet from a pipe.
(it's been confirmed and tested)

Just constructive feedback
What I found to be max profit and useful without the need for that extra power you're using  too cool and kill germs (using power to cool it isn't really profiting),   is looping the extra water that is generated from dupes peeing (lav)  and funnel the extra into the hydrogen electrolizer.   If you have the electrolizer in an area that is far away from the dupe where its at max pressure- the germs eventually die in the air at a pretty good radius.  Just make sure your dupes aren't running near the path of where the oxygen comes out.  Best place to have it is at the top of the base where the oxygen flows downward.  by the time it reaches your base there are no more germs.  

If you're needing to cool your bristle bloom with water, just stick a weezewort in there with a temp sensor on a door foundation that opens and close (disable/enable the weezewort)  and that solves your cooling problem for no power at all.

Currently, you're using power for the Pump.  And Power for the Aquatuner (gak!).

Once you prime your looping bathroom water setup, it should just loop in circles providing water back to the system (no pump needed. no pool or reservoir needed).  Since dupes produce more pee water than water used,  that extra water can be funneled out.

I do like the music in your video though. nice taste.

 

[kolyapedal]

Actually you're simply not aware of my biggest goal in that game. I just wanna find a lot of interesting ways to use power. To be honest I'm very dissatisfied with that situation in the game. We have a lot of opportunities to get power but just little options to what to spend it for.

I know that's not the most profitable build , I'd rather use the hot germy Pwater in that design for pinchas (that's more reasonable obviously). But I got bored to do that all the times. So I just diversify my gameplay ). Thank you guys for advise, It'll be definitely useful for players)

 

[fredhp]

Nice design! Seeing this made me feel ashamed of my toilet designs.... In my bases polluted water are simple send to a central polluted water storage for latter use.

[Carnis]

I sieve my polluted water after toilets & send it back to the cool steam vent, the waters gets germs for a bit but the cool steam vent kills the germs quite quickly and the 40C water balances out the temperature in the cool steam vent.

[0xFADE]

clever farm shape, keeping that shinebug always in range.

Wait a minute.  I just watched a youtube video.  Guess it isn't down if you have a direct link to a video.

[kolyapedal]

10 hours ago, Carnis said:

I sieve my polluted water after toilets & send it back to the cool steam vent, the waters gets germs for a bit but the cool steam vent kills the germs quite quickly and the 40C water balances out the temperature in the cool steam vent.

I like that a lot) Actually I'm building exactly the same within my current base (a cool steam vent happened to be near the base)

I guess the main message of this topic - try to maximize the benefits from the toilet Pwater before sieving it

[goatt]

14 hours ago, kolyapedal said:

Actually you're simply not aware of my biggest goal in that game. I just wanna find a lot of interesting ways to use power. To be honest I'm very dissatisfied with that situation in the game. We have a lot of opportunities to get power but just little options to what to spend it for.

I know that's not the most profitable build , I'd rather use the hot germy Pwater in that design for pinchas (that's more reasonable obviously). But I got bored to do that all the times. So I just diversify my gameplay ). Thank you guys for advise, It'll be definitely useful for players)

 

I like finding new ways too. I feel "most efficient" is a fun killer. In a game people are allowed to spend their creativity, there are always some pro players try to promote the most "profitable", "efficient" way by posting a "better" way under comment session in every topic of achieving the same goals. It's like talking money to musicians, talking business plans to art creators. But artists don't care, they want to spend their energy and have fun. If the merits in their creation can not be seen, simply saying one way is better than other is a lack of compassion to creativity, lazy enough to understand the goal of the build, but not enough to understand the goal of the topic. That's a big turn-off for me.

[Steelflame]

My current toilet P-water use is dual purpose.  It pumps into my refinery to make metals before sending it to the sieve at a hotter temp, but if the refinery doesn't need it, it instead pumps into the cooling loop used to cool my clean water from the sieve.  Some of the P-water in the refinery turns into PO2, but that is just solved by a nearby Deodorizer to effectively allow the water to turn into oxygen at a 1 to 1 ratio.

[Carnis]

3 hours ago, Steelflame said:

My current toilet P-water use is dual purpose.  It pumps into my refinery to make metals before sending it to the sieve at a hotter temp, but if the refinery doesn't need it, it instead pumps into the cooling loop used to cool my clean water from the sieve.  Some of the P-water in the refinery turns into PO2, but that is just solved by a nearby Deodorizer to effectively allow the water to turn into oxygen at a 1 to 1 ratio.

Why not breathe The po2?

10% mass loss with deodorizer.

I also use toiletwater for metal refinery, but have to be sure its below 50C so steel refining Does not boil it.

[kolyapedal]

8 hours ago, goatt said:

I like finding new ways too. I feel "most efficient" is a fun killer. In a game people are allowed to spend their creativity, there are always some pro players try to promote the most "profitable", "efficient" way by posting a "better" way under comment session in every topic of achieving the same goals.

Every good engineer tries to maximize the benefits of a machine saving construction cost, the power used etc. Obviously it's a good thing. Having a lot of excess power would be perfect for our world but not for the game. We are allowed to make some funny builds though.

I'm always trying to figure out some self-challenges in the game like finding the fastest way to cool liquid even though it is not so necessary, automating smth etc. I did the same with Factorio. I've been playing it for 4 years (ish) and I even never launched the rocket because of my self-challenges on the way to the end. (It's a risky moment when the game ends up at some point, players might lose passion for the game getting to that "end point").

Actually the game is at tricky point now. New player gets to come to that forum and he'll find  the most profitable builds for every situation in the game. And I assume it's a good challenge for KLEI to deal with that somehow (and guys, lets face it, so far they are not bad at it, to make the game pretty replayable). Personally I think giving the perceptible end to the game would be a catastrophe. 

I liked that new "ravaging hunger" option in the game. To make the game harder you can settle a lot of dupes. But you know the issue you'll face. With that "ravaging hunger" option you can settle just few dupes but having the same challenges. 

I have a lot of thoughts how to prolong ONI in an interesting way avoiding the silly game-building mistakes which have being made in Surviving Mars for example . But as I understand the game is at its end. So my suggestion to somebody: make a mod, some machine where you route the excess power. At the point when you collect some amount (big amount obviously) the machine makes a new little star above the asteroid (just a raw idea, guys). So it will motivate us to get power to make the visible cosmos spectacular. The aesthetic satisfaction is a proved-by-the-time goal for games (Cities Skylines)