devblazer Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 So you have several natural gas sources, some volcanoes that have regular dormancy, or maybe your occasionally dropping oil onto some magma, heck, maybe you're just producing too damn much of the stuff with various crude oil boiling systems. Point is if you're like me when it comes to NG you're gonna want to store any excess of it in a reliable and compact way. Without further adieu, I give you, my Natural gas storage compressor and flow control system. This design can take in a pipeline of up to 1kg/second of natural gas and will store it in a super compressed chamber. It will also pump out the natural gas from said chamber at a controlled rate of your choosing, up to 1kg/second. All this in a compact design for the O.C.D, Perfectionists and Agoraphobics of this world. I have not discovered any upper limit yet of how much NG you can compress, but I suspect it is practically infinite. Anyone that has more knowledge on this, please feel free to chime in. A Thermal sensor and pump comes included so that you can ship the water in the coolant tank off to an aquatuner to keep the whole thing below (in this setup) 80 degree Celsius, since there's always the chance you accidentally pump in some super hot NG and lets not forget that a few of the moving parts in this setup do actually generate a small amount of heat over time. Lastly a special note on combining your various Natural gas sources into a single pipeline. The game currently does not mix two different blobs of natural gas in a single pipe tile unless they are EXACTLY the same temperature. So if you have one pipe producing 1g of NG / second @ temperature of 30 and another producing 999g of NG / second @ temperature of 80, when you combine these pipes together, the resulting flow of NG is gonna be checkerboard and an average of 500g / second only. The easiest way to work around this problem is at each of your NG pump sources, always build two pumps and hook both of them up to an atmos sensor with at least > 4kg setting. This will ensure that both pumps are pumping 500g at all times and nothing less. This ensures that when you combine the two pumps pipeline together, they are only producing full gas pipe tiles of 1kg and never less. This completely negates the need to combine them with other NG source pipelines and is still perfectly electrically efficient. One last note, when combining two gas pumps pipes together, always leave a space of at least one pipe tile between the pumps output and the pipe combine junction, otherwise the game does not combine the gas. BUILD PROCESS: Start off by leaving the water source and NG sources disconnected. First construct everything else. Now you can lock the outer door and then turn both switches on and connect your water line. Once the system is completely vacuumed, you can turn both switches off. Now set your desired NG flow output (no harm in leaving it at full 1kg if you want) and then connect your NG source line. BUILD MATERIALS: All pumps and valves are made from gold amalgam (like there was any doubt). Insulated tiles, gas pipe bridge and all insulated piping are abysalite. Tempshift plates (yes there are several of them in both the NG chamber and coolant tank!) are diamond (might be overkill). Metal tiles are tungsten (again probably overkill) On a separate note, I'm curious if anyone has come up with a way of giving a decent visualization in the game of how much gas pressure is being stored per tile when dealing with quantities over 20kg, without having to hover the gas tile in question. I tried including a 1 tile wide, 10 tile tall, side chamber filled with oxygen and connected to my NG chamber at the bottom, to know how much NG pressure we have visually. The shorter the oxygen 'bar' (because the compressed NG pushed its way up and compressed it, the more NG pressure you have and in a non-linear scale too! It worked beautifully! Only problem was when the NG pressure dropped, the compressed oxygen did not push the NG back down, since it took the NG about 10 to 20 times the amount of pressure to push into each oxygen tile and when reversing the process (pressure drop) the oxygen did not have the numbers to do this. So all in all that only worked halfway. Anyone else have any good ideas? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Nice setup. Thanks for the blueprint. Unfortunately i am not the biggest fan of those supercompressors. They seem a bit too exploit-ish for my taste. Still thumbs up though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I posted similar some days ago, but much more easy.. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
devblazer Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, blash365 said: Nice setup. Thanks for the blueprint. Unfortunately i am not the biggest fan of those supercompressors. They seem a bit too exploit-ish for my taste. Still thumbs up though. Thanks, but I'm of the opinion though that they are not an exploit if they haven't implement gas pressure breakage systems yet in game or haven't given us sensors to detect pressure over 20kg. (personal opinion) 6 minutes ago, Oozinator said: I posted similar some days ago, but much more easy.. Maybe I'm missing something here, but that post seems to be about a separate topic entirely (gas detection and separation). This is about storing huge amounts of natural gas at greater than 20kg / tile. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, devblazer said: Maybe I'm missing something here, but that post seems to be about a separate topic entirely (gas detection and separation). This is about storing huge amounts of natural gas at greater than 20kg / tile. So far i never touched any limitation with that system. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 You can also exceed the 20 kg limit by having less than 1 kg liquid cover a gas vent Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
devblazer Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Neotuck said: You can also exceed the 20 kg limit by having less than 1 kg liquid cover a gas vent Even by my loose standards, that's an definitely an exploit lol! But I am curious does that work in current game? and if so, how and why? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I posted a link.. Pressure is calculated per tile. When liquid in front of vent is <1.8Kg vent opens Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnis Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Yeah it Works. The gas output vent senses below 2kg pressure releasing The gas, the gas then gets displaced by the liquid. Definedly exploitish though. I use it on My colony a bit though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, devblazer said: Even by my loose standards, that's an definitely an exploit lol! But I am curious does that work in current game? and if so, how and why? True I think it's an exploit but one the devs haven't addressed yet The drop of liquid keeps the vent under the 1.8 kg limit and any gas just passes though Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Q_ Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 You can store it with high pressure vent anyway. Its 20kg per tile, should be enough for the standard 5kg, or 2kg. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Just now, _Q_ said: You can store it with high pressure vent anyway. Its 20kg per tile, should be enough for the standard 5kg, or 2kg. I have thousends t in storage.. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Q_ Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Just now, Oozinator said: I have thousends t in storage.. Cause you cheat vents with liquids. That's not intended. If you didn't use liquid it would be 20kg per tile, you can make bigger tanks or try and get the gas to liquid form. No idea how to go about changing gases to liquids, using that gas cooling machine but what will happen if the gas changes to liquid inside of it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clickrush Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Guys common. Wether you use the door compressor or the liquid trick doesn't matter. Both methods cost you absolutely nothing. It is purely a matter of preference. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Q_ Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, clickrush said: Guys common. Wether you use the door compressor or the liquid trick doesn't matter. Both methods cost you absolutely nothing. It is purely a matter of preference. Last time I tried door compressor it deleted most of the gas. Fun times. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clickrush Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Just now, _Q_ said: Last time I tried door compressor it deleted most of the gas. Fun times. That's a matter of fine tuning the speed of the compressor. A slow and steady compressor doesn't delete gases (noticeably) and is fast enough to handle a lot of input. If it can't just add another compressor. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, _Q_ said: If you didn't use liquid it would be 20kg per tile, you can make bigger tanks or try and get the gas to liquid form. Yes i can aaaand? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Q_ Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 41 minutes ago, Oozinator said: Yes i can aaaand? Nothing, really. You do what you want. Devs may or may not fix gas vents in the future. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrrus Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 57 minutes ago, _Q_ said: Last time I tried door compressor it deleted most of the gas. Fun times. you have to have the automation be at least at a 2 second interval (3 is better) and have no other gasses within the system so that it doesn't try to push the compressed gas into a block that is occupied by a different gas. As long as you do that they work great. Edit: That's a matter of fine tuning the speed of the compressor. A slow and steady compressor doesn't delete gases (noticeably) and is fast enough to handle a lot of input. If it can't just add another compressor. Opps... didn't see you already responded to this... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Q_ Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Just now, Pyrrus said: you have to have the automation be at least at a 2 second interval (3 is better) and have no other gasses within the system so that it doesn't try to push the compressed gas into a block that is occupied by a different gas. As long as you do that they work great. I was trying to use doors with automation to push gases away from the vent, I think the sequence was wrong or something, as all it was doing was deleting all oxygen:D Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunechi_sama Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I use the liquid on vent because its a waste of space to have 2-3 tanks nearly 20x20 to store hydrogen or natural gas.I already have several big tanks for liquids. They should make a gas compressor that uses electricity Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Q_ Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 36 minutes ago, Tunechi_sama said: I use the liquid on vent because its a waste of space to have 2-3 tanks nearly 20x20 to store hydrogen or natural gas.I already have several big tanks for liquids. They should make a gas compressor that uses electricity Change gas to liquid form, then you can have 1000 kg per tile. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Just now, _Q_ said: Change gas to liquid form, then you can have 1000 kg per tile. EXPLOIT!!!!§!"§313 ^^ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Q_ Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Just now, Oozinator said: EXPLOIT!!!!§!"§313 ^^ Cheats everywhere. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leoroy Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I'm just wondering... Do you really need to keep 100t of natural gas in backup? (for geysers dormancies fine but otherwise...) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92548-natural-gas-storage-and-flow-control-system/#findComment-1055238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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