[MOD] Easy Steam Turbine

[staring_frog]

This Mod looses Steam Turbine working requirements allowing it to be used without relying on quirks and bugs.

There are two must rules for it to start working. Any tile below it (can be different tiles):

• has to have 3 kg of Steam;
• has temperature above 227 C (old rule, no change here).

I.e. Turbine will work by just being in a cloud of Steam, there's no need to move Steam around.

(If you have MovableHeatMod installed you can also dump excess heat into Turbine.)

Installation

• Install ModLoader https://github.com/javisar/ONI-Modloader/#installation
• Put EasySteamTurbineMod.dll into Mods dir

Removing

Just remove EasySteamTurbineMod.dll from Mods dir.

You can enable and disable the mod without any problem: all Steam Turbines (built/planned/etc) will change their properties back and forth.

Source code: https://github.com/nicktime/ONI-EasySteamTurbineMod

[Lifegrow]

Blergh - looking forward to your next mod : Manual Gens without Dupes, and Coal Gens without Coal.

[staring_frog]

Why so hostile?

[landromat]

37 minutes ago, staring_frog said:

Why so hostile?

because mods like this is just cheating. If you want to make things easier you have to make getting them harder. you have to balance the game according your vision of the game to keep it fun to play, not just "Hey! just install this mod and pump some lava"

[staring_frog]

23 minutes ago, landromat said:

because mods like this is just cheating. If you want to make things easier you have to make getting them harder. you have to balance the game according your vision of the game to keep it fun to play, not just "Hey! just install this mod and pump some lava"

1. It is _already_ possible _unpatched_ to pump lava manually and people do it. My mods don't make it possible for pumps because a) 1000C is lower than melting point and b) it's not enough, it'll melt anyway.
2. Cheating? There are already sandbox tools in the game. And there's debug mode.
3. Balance. For me it's more balanced and more fun this way. It feels like something is missing for Steam Turbine setup. Like Oozinator said there's no way to move and use heat, that's what I intended to fix.
4. Harder? All people are different and they like different difficulty levels.
5. "not just "Hey!..." - Why limit oneself to certain ways of having fun? For me it's fun, I'm having fun.
6. Hostility kills enthusiasm. You stop someone from doing something you don't like. Another guy will stop from doing something you like. Result: you both get nothing.
If you don't like it you can ask your money back from me.

 

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Blergh - looking forward to your next mod : Manual Gens without Dupes, and Coal Gens without Coal.

It's actually worth doing. Factorio e.g. has infinite power generators for sandbox mode. It's a useful tool.

[SamLogan]

2 hours ago, landromat said:

because mods like this is just cheating. If you want to make things easier you have to make getting them harder. you have to balance the game according your vision of the game to keep it fun to play, not just "Hey! just install this mod and pump some lava"

Steam Turbine is totally broken unless you use some glitch. I think the version of staring_frog is a good idea, probably need one more restriction to be less easy, but nice job.

[staring_frog]

On 5/20/2018 at 9:12 PM, Lifegrow said:

Blergh - looking forward to your next mod : Manual Gens without Dupes, and Coal Gens without Coal.

You're angry because you're being subjective and have no objective arguments to prove your point.

On 5/21/2018 at 12:25 AM, SamLogan said:

Steam Turbine is totally broken unless you use some glitch. I think the version of staring_frog is a good idea, probably need one more restriction to be less easy, but nice job.

Thanks, it was a quick hack (just two basic instructions removed, hard to go any simpler:) ) which turned out to be fun, so I decided to share.
Now the problem is that real steam engine just throws out used steam outside (see video). We don't have "outside":) Then something different have to be done about that, some way to put used steam back to work, which wouldn't be magic

 

[BlueLance]

I am not against mods etc, but it is kinda boring that all you need is 3kg/s and you literally have unlimited power, I mean thats a lot of power for almost no upkeep, if it was tweaked to consume the steam, cool the steam, or requires some for of output i.e an exhaust then it would seem better to me.

Like SamLogan said, it really does need some restriction, although I honestly have no complaints using the steam turbine as it currently is, takes some time to heat up, but heck it does the job and I am happy.

[Lifegrow]

3 hours ago, staring_frog said:

You're angry because you're being subjective and have no objective arguments to prove your point.

Hah, I wasn't angry nor hostile bud - just saddens me that this is one of your first posts on the forums, and it's a post to dumb something down. 

A steam engine doesn't work by just "being in the presence of some steam" - it needs compression and steam management. By your rationale I suppose a car just works by being dropped in a swimming pool of petrol?

I've no interest in arguing with you, but repeatedly quoting me for a reaction kind of warrants one.

In short, your "mod" isn't my cup of tea - hence the "bleurgh" reaction. That's not to say that some wont find it useful/helpful - however posting something on an open forum means you have to take the negative with the positive, and not just hit back with "HEY MANG WHY DA H8?"

[staring_frog]

31 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

I am not against mods etc, but it is kinda boring that all you need is 3kg/s and you literally have unlimited power, I mean thats a lot of power for almost no upkeep, if it was tweaked to consume the steam, cool the steam, or requires some for of output i.e an exhaust then it would seem better to me.

Like SamLogan said, it really does need some restriction, although I honestly have no complaints using the steam turbine as it currently is, takes some time to heat up, but heck it does the job and I am happy.

What? No. Misunderstanding here. It still consumes heat like the original one. OP updated.
Did you manage to prevent original Turbine from consuming heat?? Then you've exploited it somehow...

7 minutes ago, Lifegrow said:

Hah, I wasn't angry nor hostile bud - just saddens me that this is one of your first posts on the forums, and it's a post to dumb something down. 

A steam engine doesn't work by just "being in the presence of some steam" - it needs compression and steam management. By your rationale I suppose a car just works by being dropped in a swimming pool of petrol?

I've no interest in arguing with you, but repeatedly quoting me for a reaction kind of warrants one.

In short, your "mod" isn't my cup of tea - hence the "bleurgh" reaction. That's not to say that some wont find it useful/helpful - however posting something on an open forum means you have to take the negative with the positive, and not just hit back with "HEY MANG WHY DA H8?"

> A steam engine doesn't work by just "being in the presence of some steam"
True. Finally constructive.
I don't see a quick-to-make, fun-to-play and realistic solution at once. And I don't want to get into using quirks. Hence this hack here. Looking for a doable solution though.

> but repeatedly quoting me for a reaction
Ehmm... That one was the only direct quote. Previous to that was just no-notification copy-paste.

> means you have to take the negative with the positive
It's not about being positive or negative for me. It's about being constructive.

> "HEY MANG WHY DA H8?"
I think it's even in forum rules that there should not be hate in comments. I agree with that, it's non-productive.

[Lifegrow]

14 minutes ago, staring_frog said:

> A steam engine doesn't work by just "being in the presence of some steam"
True. Finally constructive.
I don't see a quick-to-make, fun-to-play and realistic solution at once. And I don't want to get into using quirks. Hence this hack here. Looking for a doable solution though.

> but repeatedly quoting me for a reaction
Ehmm... That one was the only direct quote. Previous to that was just no-notification copy-paste.

> means you have to take the negative with the positive
It's not about being positive or negative for me. It's about being constructive.

> "HEY MANG WHY DA H8?"
I think it's even in forum rules that there should not be hate in comments. I agree with that, it's non-productive.

This has got nothing to do with your personal feelings, this is a FORUM. You might need to google the term, but it's essentially a place where people can freely post their views, and react to other peoples content/ideas.

I was being constructive - I was clearly letting you know that I personally don't approve of creating mods to dumb down content. I may have done it in a way that amused me - but i'm an ass, a constructive one, but an ass nonetheless.

Just because it wasn't what you wanted to hear doesn't make it non-constructive, i'd argue that you're unable to take feedback, and that's the underlying issue here.

Either way, as I clearly said above - 

58 minutes ago, Lifegrow said:

That's not to say that some wont find it useful/helpful - however posting something on an open forum means you have to take the negative with the positive

 

[staring_frog]

@Lifegrow I liked your feedback actually, but not the first comment, it was too vague about what you didn't like.

To all:
> A steam engine doesn't work by just "being in the presence of some steam" - it needs compression and steam management.
The problem is that in real life we have low pressure environment for free - which is outside air, used steam can be just dumped into it and get lost. In the game there's no such thing. And if we pump used steam from upper chamber into lower one for reuse it would be magic too. In real life that would take more energy than generator would produce I guess.
Any ideas how to tweak Steam Turbine to a more or less realistic and usable state?

[BlueLance]

1 hour ago, staring_frog said:

What? No. Misunderstanding here. It still consumes heat like the original one. OP updated.
Did you manage to prevent original Turbine from consuming heat?? Then you've exploited it somehow...

I make sure not to use exploits!

Also yeah mines does delete heat, I just used it as an example and I was not sure because you didn't state that it still consumes heat so i listed it in case that was removed. But I do still think another drawback would be good, even if it consumed some of the steam it would at least balance it out a bit more.

[Lifegrow]

42 minutes ago, staring_frog said:

@Lifegrow I liked your feedback actually, but not the first comment, it was too vague about what you didn't like.

To all:
> A steam engine doesn't work by just "being in the presence of some steam" - it needs compression and steam management.
The problem is that in real life we have low pressure environment for free - which is outside air, used steam can be just dumped into it and get lost. In the game there's no such thing. And if we pump used steam from upper chamber into lower one for reuse it would be magic too. In real life that would take more energy than generator would produce I guess.
Any ideas how to tweak Steam Turbine to a more or less realistic and usable state?

No, we don't have a way of just letting it disperse into the atmosphere - however we have two very straight forward options :

1) Move it away and let cool it back into liquid state.

2) Heat it again and recycle the flow.

*potential third* 3) Install your mod and never fully incorporate a working design into any base  

I don't think you should be striving to tweak anything, rather you should figure out your own method of using the steam turbine in it's current intended form. As you so rightly said above - we already have debug AND sandbox mode where people can literally paint in masses of steam if they just want to mess about with the content. If the devs see that the steam turbine isn't getting the amount of use they'd hoped for, i'm sure it'll get some love in upcoming patches. 

But yeah, give me my money back please, this mod is balls  

[staring_frog]

1 hour ago, BlueLance said:

I make sure not to use exploits!

Also yeah mines does delete heat, I just used it as an example and I was not sure because you didn't state that it still consumes heat so i listed it in case that was removed. But I do still think another drawback would be good, even if it consumed some of the steam it would at least balance it out a bit more.

Yeah, consuming steam is a nice option.

1 hour ago, Lifegrow said:

1) Move it away and let cool it back into liquid state.

Cooling requires either using energy, thermo-nullifiers or Wheezeworts. If we cool it with using energy that would in real life take a lot of power. Thermo-nullifiers and Wheezeworts have very limited capacity.
Another problem is that to inject gas/water into high-pressurised area you need a lot of energy, physics frowns upon you again:)
But it's a good idea, there have to be a compromise with realism anyway.

> I don't think you should be striving to tweak anything, rather you should figure out your own method of using the steam turbine in it's current intended form.
It feels very much like it's unfinished. It's lacking something to be properly setup.

> If the devs see that the steam turbine isn't getting the amount of use they'd hoped for, i'm sure it'll get some love in upcoming patches. 
I'm sure it'll be fixed, but that will take time. I've played enough ONI that I don't get much fun from vanilla game.

UPD Ok, how about this: introduce Peltier cooler (which is a wall tile, it takes energy and moves heat from one side to the opposite), it would move residual heat from upper Steam Turbine chamber (with used Steam) to lower (with heated up Steam), Steam cooled into liquid would be pumped back into lower chamber by Liquid Pump.

UPD2
> 2) Heat it again and recycle the flow.
That feels a bit like using energy to revert what Turbine did. On the other hand it consumed some heat in the process.