lurkinglurker Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Here’s a question I’ve been thinking over for a while now and would like to ask you guys. Specifically, how transformers release their charges in 5 bursts of 1kJ. Thus, while they can theoretically provide 5kW of power into a circuit, they are simply unable to power stuff beyond 1kW, such as thermocoolers. This is why people recommend a battery after the transformer; the battery “stacks” the bursts and allow more than 1kW (up to 5kW per Transformer) to be used on a single building. But if that’s the case, wouldn’t a transformer without a battery on it's output circuit stop wires from going beyond 1kW? And since 1kW is the limit of no-so-conductive circuits, wouldn’t that also mean Transformers will stop overloading short circuits just by being there? To bring it further, if you pair transformers instead of planting a battery beyond a single transformer, wouldn’t you also restrict the resulting output circuit to 2kW (instead of a potential 5kW), thus preventing conductive wiring (2kW limit) from overloading too? Tl;dr: transformer outputs does not cause overloads (if there are no batteries on the output end). True/false? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90647-adding-a-transformer-overload-problems-gone-forever/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 They prevent it even with batteries. They were made for it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90647-adding-a-transformer-overload-problems-gone-forever/#findComment-1033849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurkinglurker Posted May 9, 2018 Author Share Posted May 9, 2018 3 hours ago, landromat said: They prevent it even with batteries. They were made for it ? How so? As long as a battery have some storage, it can discharge any amount of kW, don't they? How do Transformers mitigate that? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90647-adding-a-transformer-overload-problems-gone-forever/#findComment-1033883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 4 hours ago, lurkinglurker said: Tl;dr: transformer outputs does not cause overloads (if there are no batteries on the output end). True/false? This would be false. Wires overload based on the total Wattage of consuming devices currently in use on that circuit. It doesn't matter whether there is a Battery or not. If the total Wattage exceeds 1 kW for standard Wire, or 2 kW for Conductive Wire, or 10 kW for both Heavy-Watt and Conductive Heavy-Watt, the circuit will begin taking Overload damage. This will continue each second that the combined Wattage of active machinery exceeds the Wattage limit of the type of Wire. A Transformer can supply 5 kW to it's low end, but will lead to brown-outs if any single device consumes more than 1 kW. The Battery prevents the brown-outs, because the device can pull from the Battery when the Transformer fails to supply enough. This is completely unrelated to Wire limits on Wattage. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90647-adding-a-transformer-overload-problems-gone-forever/#findComment-1033885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 for me, I split the system into groups, basically each place where I start with a coal gene and battery gets replaced with a transformer later when I upgrade to central power plant. Each transformer acts like a line separator so you have a trunk with your heavywatt wire in it, and there your transforms are installed and split off smaller power sections. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90647-adding-a-transformer-overload-problems-gone-forever/#findComment-1033887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trukogre Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 3 hours ago, landromat said: They prevent it even with batteries. They were made for it you're 100% wrong, but you combine being 100% wrong with demonstrating so much certainty that you're right that it makes me wish you were right. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90647-adding-a-transformer-overload-problems-gone-forever/#findComment-1033890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 but Phailraptor is right in that I don't depend on the transformer or to act as a limiter, its too inconsistent especially when drawing large quantities of smaller power devices, like 12 pumps or some such, almost always blow the wires regardless of being on just 1 transformer Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90647-adding-a-transformer-overload-problems-gone-forever/#findComment-1033891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trukogre Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 21 minutes ago, Kabrute said: but Phailraptor is right in that I don't depend on the transformer or to act as a limiter, its too inconsistent especially when drawing large quantities of smaller power devices, like 12 pumps or some such, almost always blow the wires regardless of being on just 1 transformer Its functionality is not inconsistent at all, it very consistently doesn't prevent overloads. Its description is 100% inconsistent with the way it actually works, as it claims that it does prevent overloads. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90647-adding-a-transformer-overload-problems-gone-forever/#findComment-1033894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurkinglurker Posted May 9, 2018 Author Share Posted May 9, 2018 Thanks guys. I'll make a new game to experiment in a bit, but your answers have helped me not blow up my current base. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90647-adding-a-transformer-overload-problems-gone-forever/#findComment-1033897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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