Self cooling polluted water boiler

[Albreo]

Alien Kettle Mk I

In a spur moment of madness, an alien kettle was born. This thing will boil and self-cool clean water all-in-one with only the most crucial 3 electrical appliances. There is no heat radiated outside as the entire thing is made out of insulated abyssalite tile. Water output is less than desirable probably around 6-8 Kg/s. The mechanic that make this thing works is very complicated as I allow two type of water to intersect for pre-cooling. Almost impossible to build with dupe, with patient maybe, it uses no exploit as far as I can tell. 

All doors are made out of gold amalgam. Tiles abyssalite. Pipes abyssalite. Appliances wolframite. Temp plate shifts are made out of diamond, probably other metals will work as well. Inside contain chlorine, in case someone wants to build it by hand. Starting the boiling process with gas inside will require personal trickery to remove it or increase ceiling hight.

Water flow chart

1. preheat polluted water with tepidizer

2. heated polluted water in contact with steam and condense it

3. heated even more polluted water enter boiling chamber and turn into steam

4. steam condensed via 2.

*Extra* I'm missing another step here which is not in this build. You can use polluted water before being heated by tepidizer to cool down more.

 5. hot water in contact with cold shift plate that cooled by aquatuner.

Output water temperature can be maintained forever (confirmed with 30 cycles of AFK) colder output can be adjusted at the cost of output rate. Polluted water input can be at anywhere below 70 degrees and not too cold. To adjust this thing, you can only do it at liquid tepidizer's thermometer. My magical number for it should be at 72-73 degrees lowering it means water being heated by aquatuner is colder which will take a longer time to heat thus decreasing output rate and decreasing temperature of the coolant. Increasing it will do the opposite. Warning, it is possible to clog entire thing if the center part is too hot to condense steam. Also, by double the aquatuner, it is possible to achieve better output.

Temp plate shifts position cannot be changed or else, another 30 cycles of testing.

Maybe, I should put circuit elsewhere to prevent it from transferring heat.

[Kuirem]

When I make a system like this I try to use the cooling for other stuff in my colony (since it tends to generate more cool than heat). But I adapted my current water boiler for a result similar to yours (sorry for not aligning it, didn't want to rebuild it once started):

As you see it's in 4 sections.

Bottom one contains the Aquatuner dipped in one tile of oil (500 kg) to help with heat repartition. The PWater come from a tank at ~40°C (but it will work at pretty much any temp), the Hydro Sensor is set to 50kg to avoid boiling too much PWater at once. This section as well as the one above it is filled with Chlorine, Chlorine is really bad for Heat Transfer and help separating the cold tank from the boiling area. It also push the steam into the top section to get cooled.

The second section with the Tempshift Plates and the Liquid Pump will receive the steam which get cooled into water thanks to the thermoplate linked with the cold tank above. Once turned into Water it's pumped in the top tank.

The third section is the cold PWater tank, it form a loop with the Aquatuner and the Thermo sensor is set to 25°C and will activate the Liquid Tepidizer if it goes below that temp.

Finally the top tank will receive the boiled water that will cool down to 26°C. Once that temperature is reached the Liquid Pump activate.

Insulated Tiles are made of Abyssalite. Bottom Pumps from Gold. Tempshift Plates and Metal Tiles from Copper.

Here is the resulting water temp, it's slighly colder than 26 but I didn't want to add tons of automation just for 1 degree difference: 

[Giltirn]

I love the ingenuity of the forum goers here, but I do wish that they would explain a little more *how* the thing actually works for us newbies to gain some insight. I see an aquatuner which is presumably being used to cool the water in the lower reservoir while simultaneously boiling the p-water. The resulting steam is then cooled by bringing it into thermal contact with the cooled lower reservoir via heat-shift plates. Is this correct?

[onlineous]

Have you considered instead of using the aquatuner, using the tepidizer with a pulse circuit to crank up it's maximum heat to 125 degrees, or do you consider that cheating?

What do you do with the cold from the aquatuner? If I would run an aquatuner for long periods of time I might freeze my whole base.

[Albreo]

@Kuirem No problem, what I did is probably impractical in real use. I post it here just to give an idea to other people. Maybe someone can come up with an even better solution.

In this build, I concentrated on a compact and energy efficient setup. So, I only use one pump and 2 gates to substitute for pumps. If you separated it like that, you can pretty much prevent heat loss due to too much contact and achieve a better result at the cost of more energy.

@Giltirn English is not my primary, so, I'm really bad at explaining stuff. It separated into 5 steps here:

1. preheat polluted water with tepidizer

2. heated polluted water in contact with steam and condense it

3. heated even more polluted water enter the boiling chamber and turn into steam

4. steam condensed via 2.

5. hot water in contact with cold shift plate that cool by aquatuner.

@onlineous Never tried it before. Well, the tepidzer was never designed to be over 85 degrees. The aquatuner has a net heat of zero. So, If you use it to heat something then use it to cool the same thing then net heat should be zero, on paper. 

 

[Giltirn]

Isn't the point of this thing to cool the water? If you dump the aquatuner then you have no cooling capability. I'm pretty sure the aquatuner cools the p-water reservoir at the bottom which is used to cool the steam.

[Kuirem]

Yes the Aquatuner transfer the heat from the reservoir to the boiling area.

[onlineous]

5 hours ago, Albreo said:

 

@onlineous Never tried it before. Well, the tepidzer was never designed to be over 85 degrees. The aquatuner has a net heat of zero. So, If you use it to heat something then use it to cool the same thing then net heat should be zero, on paper. 

 

Actually the aquatuner has a net heat of less than 0, it removes heat from the game. How much depends on the coolant you run through its pipes.

4 hours ago, Giltirn said:

Isn't the point of this thing to cool the water? If you dump the aquatuner then you have no cooling capability. I'm pretty sure the aquatuner cools the p-water reservoir at the bottom which is used to cool the steam.

You can cool pretty effectively by running your polluted water through a cooling duct.

Attached you find my system. Polluted water arrives bottom right and cools the clean water reservoir. The polluted water is pumped through a tungsten pipe (to cool the condensation chamber a bit more) to the tepidizer boilers. Currently most of the polluted water is diverted to a water seeve (not pictured), but 'back in the day' this system could easily clean around 5 kg/s with a power drain that was actually not too bad.

Today the boiler is my backup when the seeve doesn't have enough capacity and I added a lot of automation, but the basic principle is not that complex.

[BT_20]

19 minutes ago, onlineous said:

Actually the aquatuner has a net heat of less than 0, it removes heat from the game. How much depends on the coolant you run through its pipes.

Actually you’re wrong the aquatuner has a net of 0 the amount of heat pumped into the machine is directly impacted by the mass of the packets and the heat capacity of said liquid.

However with the drip cooling bug it can be misleading to the assumption that the aquatuner has a negative net heat when in actuality it is the use of this bug that causes the decrease in temperature.

ps. The combination of a flashing tepidizer and a borg cube beats any and all designs in this topic by ten-fold.

[onlineous]

5 minutes ago, BT_20 said:

Actually you’re wrong the aquatuner has a net of 0 the amount of heat pumped into the machine is directly impacted by the mass of the packets and the heat capacity of said liquid.

However with the drip cooling bug it can be misleading to the assumption that the aquatuner has a negative net heat when in actuality it is the use of this bug that causes the decrease in temperature.

ps. The combination of a flashing tepidizer and a borg cube beats any and all designs in this topic by ten-fold.

Are you sure about that? Was that recently changed? Because I'm quite sure the aquatuner had a fixed heat output in the past for every second of running. I haven't used drip cooling ever, so that could not be the explaining factor.

I've run several self cooling systems in the past, but that might have been another bug.

[BT_20]

@onlineous I am absolutely positive the heat is determined by the factors that I stated if you’re system is cooling itself it’s because of drip cooling.

ps. drip cooling is one of those things that’s often used by accident and it’s very easy to trigger the bug.

[Saturnus]

8 minutes ago, onlineous said:

Are you sure about that? Was that recently changed? Because I'm quite sure the aquatuner had a fixed heat output in the past for every second of running. I haven't used drip cooling ever, so that could not be the explaining factor.

I've run several self cooling systems in the past, but that might have been another bug.

It has a fixed temperature gradient. It will cool any liquid pumped through it by exactly 14C. Regardless of the specific heat capacity of the liquid. Every J of energy that is extracted from the liquid by doing so is transferred to the aquatuner itself. The net thermal energy output is exactly zero.

[onlineous]

2 hours ago, BT_20 said:

@onlineous I am absolutely positive the heat is determined by the factors that I stated if you’re system is cooling itself it’s because of drip cooling.

ps. drip cooling is one of those things that’s often used by accident and it’s very easy to trigger the bug.

 

2 hours ago, Saturnus said:

It has a fixed temperature gradient. It will cool any liquid pumped through it by exactly 14C. Regardless of the specific heat capacity of the liquid. Every J of energy that is extracted from the liquid by doing so is transferred to the aquatuner itself. The net thermal energy output is exactly zero.

I might still be overlooking something, but I conducted some experiments which suggest that the aquatuner (still?) deletes heat. 

I ran a test over approximately 14 cycles in a controlled environment. There is no dripping, the cooling loop is a closed circuit cooling the water tank. The water tank contains 38944 kilograms of water. The inner ring is made of granite, the outer ring is made of abbysalite. There is a vacuum in between the rings. 

The whole tank cooled approximately 1.2 degrees in approximately 14 cycles. I added pictures and the blueprint below.

The only other explanation I could think of is that there is still some transfer of colder water at the top of the tank to the bottom of the tank.

Edit: I just confirmed: it works with 500 kilograms of oxygen per square in the tank as well. 



 

HeatDeleteExperiment.yaml

[Kabrute]

honestly this does use the liquid cooling bug because its not about dripping, its about the top most layer of liquid cooling everything below it for free, so on that right hand side where the pipe goes up, when it moves over that top cell cooling down cools everything under it, yes the bug is just that hard to avoid....

[onlineous]

Just now, Kabrute said:

honestly this does use the liquid cooling bug because its not about dripping, its about the top most layer of liquid cooling everything below it for free, so on that right hand side where the pipe goes up, when it moves over that top cell cooling down cools everything under it, yes the bug is just that hard to avoid....

Does it also apply to gasses? Because I get the same result with (55 degrees) 500 kg per square of oxygen in the tank.

[Kabrute]

save file please

[onlineous]

6 minutes ago, Kabrute said:

save file please

Here you are. The save and the blueprint. Nothing too fancy, just the last system but now with oxygen instead of water in the tank.

 

 

HeatDeleteOxygen.yaml

Sneeze131 Cycle 5478.sav

[Kabrute]

wait your still in occupation, hang on, I have to download a different copy of ONI

[onlineous]

You could use the blueprint? Saves you the trouble.

1 minute ago, Kabrute said:

wait your still in occupation, hang on, I have to download a different copy of ONI

You could use the blueprint? Saves you the trouble.

[Kabrute]

rancher update doesn't handle the same as OC so my results wouldn't match because changes

[onlineous]

1 minute ago, Kabrute said:

rancher update doesn't handle the same as OC so my results wouldn't match because changes

I'm not sure if the mechanics with regards to aquatuners / cooling / etc have been changed, but better safe than sorry indeed. I don't run rancher because it is painstakingly slow on my laptop;)

[PhailRaptor]

There is evidence that the way gases and liquids behave has changed.  Most commonly notated is they are much more viscous.

[Kabrute]

ran it for a cycle and it got colder by 0.1c but that cycle took way to long to happen so thats not .1c per normal cycle its more like .1c drop ever 5 normal cycles.  Somewhere between the shift plates and the atmosphere its too much weight for the machine to move the temp more than decimal points and I think rounding is working out in your favor over time.

the 0.1c drop was noted at all 4 corners of the box material and internal plates

[FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX]

1 hour ago, PhailRaptor said:

There is evidence that the way gases and liquids behave has changed.  Most commonly notated is they are much more viscous.

But the heat deletion didn't change. I tested the first version of ranching preview upgrade and the heat deletion still works well in liquid.

[Kabrute]

11 minutes ago, R9MX4 said:

But the heat deletion didn't change. I tested the first version of ranching preview upgrade and the heat deletion still works well in liquid.

you are correct but in this instance the medium under fire is gas not liquid,  Running the test in OC showed a tiny amount of heat deletion and I have no idea at all where its occuring, but its honestly too little heat to, in my opinion, be useful, it does, however, show that that machine can't possibly be adding any extra heat to the system, or that its added heat is what is compensating for some slightly  more extreme heat deletion that I still can't pinpoint XD either way, aquatuner in heavy gas is a close to exploit free running of it as your going to get right now.

and yet is still getting colder over time