How would I address this Germ issue?

[MythN7]

So, over time, the water and air is getting dots on it. and the disinfect wont register water or air tiles it seems.

How do I  clean this?

Thanks

[Kabrute]

I would pump the yellow water through an electrolizer and then dump the output gas from that right in the middle of the green and all around it.

[MythN7]

1 minute ago, Kabrute said:

I would pump the yellow water through an electrolizer and then dump the output gas from that right in the middle of the green and all around it.

wouldn't that just spread the green around?

and if i understand, wouldn't sucking the water with a electric pump anywhere work?

im not using this water tank anymore except for things that need manual water bottles.

I have my bathroom on a closed system, so the water cleaning machine spits out clean as it takes dirty. Would be hard to do this if the game had fluid loss in the system, but there isent as of now, its in = out perfectly hehe.

But how I took your electrolizer idea is that your feeding the dotted water into a machine that spits out other resource.

Ill try to change my pipes around so the bathroom feeds clean into from that pool, and then I dump the freshly treated water back into the lake.

My base is not setup to handle hydrogen.  I am using the coal pooping guys in a little corner i got a bunch stuck in.  And natural gas geysers.

Heres a pic of my 2 water treating lines in the room i made that has the natural gas machines.

The natural gas is still not hooked up, trying to run the vents, but taking awhile with only 1 guy that can carve abys.

But the one system is a closed loop in the bathroom and the scrubber near the lake.

The 2nd is fed from the pump in the dirty tank, to the output valve in the lake, just as a way to keep the lake full for water bottle need, as im running low on water for that purpose, heh.  The lake was up to the top of the walls, I was running terrariums for the longest time as my air source.

[Lutzkhie]

they will die eventually but you gotta take care of where its coming from otherwise it will just keep on spreading

[MythN7]

1 minute ago, Lutzkhie said:

they will die eventually but you gotta take care of where its coming from otherwise it will just keep on spreading

im not sure where its coming from.

[Lutzkhie]

are those slimelungs? they look green,
check your gus pump maybe there is a polluted dirt or slime emitting those 

[MythN7]

1 minute ago, Lutzkhie said:

are those slimelungs? they look green,
check your gus pump maybe there is a polluted dirt or slime emitting those 

oh slime, could it be from the mushroom garden i started right below my kitchen?

[Lutzkhie]

probably the mushroom, when you irrigate them you carry slime and will emit slimelungs better isolate that or stop the mushroom harvest for awhile

[Neotuck]

that's why I use an ore scrubber to clean slime before I use it on my shroom farm

[The Plum Gate]

Or, you might want to store your slime in very cold water - cold biome, etc, it will die off, then you can fertilize with it without the slismelung issue.

[MythN7]

Just now, Neotuck said:

that's why I use an ore scrubber to clean slime before I use it on my shroom farm

really? you can clean slime?  its not an ore heh.

[Lutzkhie]

i take advantage of the polluted water and the nearest ice biome, 

[The Plum Gate]

Just now, MythN7 said:

really? you can clean slime?  its not an ore heh.

Anything but food and bottled water ( if they fixed that )... basically anything they can carry.

[Neotuck]

Just now, The Plum Gate said:

Or, you might want to store your slime in very cold water - cold biome, etc, it will die off, then you can fertilize with it without the slismelung issue.

wouldn't storing it in a chlorine filled room work faster?

[The Plum Gate]

Just now, Neotuck said:

wouldn't storing it in a chlorine filled room work faster?

Not like you think, it will still siblimate and produce PO2, so it would need to be a room of sufficiently high pressure for this to work.

[MythN7]

Just now, The Plum Gate said:

Not like you think, it will still siblimate and produce PO2, so it would need to be a room of sufficiently high pressure for this to work.

now you guys are talking way over my head for my skill at this game, heh.

[Neotuck]

Just now, The Plum Gate said:

Not like you think, it will still siblimate and produce PO2, so it would need to be a room of sufficiently high pressure for this to work.

how about a room with a chlorine geyser? those tend to be 5kg

[The Plum Gate]

Let me rephrase that.. actually, it will work like you think, It works best in high pressure.

Storing it under water prevents loss of mass. Storing it in cold water kills it just like storing it in high pressure chlorine. you can also convert the polluted oxygen with slime lung into oxygen and it will die off. So there are a number of ways to handle it. As long as the airborne concentration doesn't exceed 1200 germs or so and the dupes aren't constantly encountering it ( ie less than 15,000 germs accumulated per cycle for the average dupe, they won't really suffer any ill effects. )

[Lutzkhie]

i build a little hole in an ice biome put a compactor add some water or polluted water, cold temp kills germs, water prevent it from emitting

[Neotuck]

I always enter the jungle biomes first, collect balm lillys, store chlorine for ore scrubbers.  And I don't usually farm mushrooms, I get by on gristle berries just fine

[Lutzkhie]

a chlorine chamber is also good, works just like a scrubber, atleast temporarily 

[Kabrute]

but the yellow speckled water is full of food poison which does no harm in the air but does compete with slimelung so useing food poison air to kill slimelung in the air is what I was suggesting above....

[PhailRaptor]

So...  to take it from the top...

There are 2 kinds of Germs in the game.  Food Poisoning, and Slimelung.  Food Poisoning is primarily spread by -- you guessed it -- contaminated food, which usually occurs when cooking with water that has the germs in it.  Slimelung a pathogen that your Dupes can breath in, normally  on Polluted Oxygen.  It multiplies at an alarming rate on Slime, which then becomes airborne after you dig it, or when Pufts drop it after breathing it in.

Food Poisoning isn't all that dangerous, but it is very annoying and if you don't do something about it you will eventually grind to a halt.  Your Dupes will  bespending all their time lying on Med-Beds, cleaning up "Messes", etc.  Which can prevent you from making food or delivering algae which will then kill your colony.

Slimelung, on the other hand, is quite dangerous. Having it on a surface isn't that big of a deal, because it is primarily an airborne pathogen, and as such must be inhaled.  If a Dupe contracts Slimelung, they will die in 10 cycles if they do not receive treatment at a Med-bed or spend time in a Rejuvenation Chamber.

8 hours ago, MythN7 said:

So, over time, the water and air is getting dots on it. and the disinfect wont register water or air tiles it seems.

How do I  clean this?

Thanks

The Disinfect command can only be used on solid objects.  Compactors, Ladders, Electrolyzers, etc.

A bit tough to tell, but it appears the airborne germs are green tinted, which indicates Slimelung.  That's a pretty big problem, especially since you only have 5 Dupes.  If one of them gets sick, you're losing a pretty substantial percentage of your working ability, which can make a colony inoperative pretty quickly.  You need to address that, like, yesterday.

There are 3 easy ways to kill Slimelung.  The first, and frankly kind of a gimmick personally, is to simply build Deodorizers.  The way the game engine makes them work is to consume the Sand and P-O2, destroying both of them to creating O2 and Clay.  But it never checks for germ content, and so the O2 will be pure and clean.  And so will the Clay.  So Germ Deletion, much like the various methods of Heat Deletion.

The second is very effective, and comes with basically no risk but is very slow.  Simply chill it off.  Slimelung requires a certain minimum temperature to survive.  Below that, it begins to die instead of reproduce.  However, it can take quite a while for the temperature of objects to change, and it pretty much requires access to Wheezeworts.  Since you already have a bit of a problem spreading in your base, this method is probably not viable for your situation due to the amount of time it usually takes.  But you can use it as a preventative measure by simply stripping the Abyssalite off of any Ice Biome and any nearby Swamp Biome(s) you happen to pass by.  Without the Abyssalite to lock the temperatures in place, the heat will leach out of the Swamp(s) to be absorbed by the Ice, until the Swamp is cooled enough for the Slimelung to die out of the Slime blocks in that section of the world.  You can then harvest those Slime blocks at your convenience.

The final method is to mix the contaminated air with Chlorine.  Chlorine has a property that just flat out makes Germs die at a substantial rate.  This allows you to use it to cleanse any solid object by simply storing it in a room filled with Chlorine.  So, for example, as you harvest "wild" Slime to fertilize your Duskcaps, you could store it in a room filled with Chlorine for an extended period.  It should also kill germs in the air as the 2 gases move past each other.  All that said, it can be a pain to spread Chlorine where you want it.

Slimelung isn't your only issue, though.  I'm assuming that is meant to be your clean water at the bottom, since it has the Pitcher Pumps in it?  Being full of Food Poisoning isn't exactly a good thing.  Since you're only on cycle 80, you are most likely using that water to run your Microbe Musher, which means your Dupes are eating food contaminated with Food Poisoning.  Which means your Dupes are going to get sick and enter that sickness death spiral we mentioned earlier.

The easiest way to deal with Food Poisoning is to prevent it from becoming an issue in the first place.  The obvious thing is ensuring Dupes can't escape your Latrine without using a Sink or Wash Basin.  But since you seem to have already upgraded to Lavatories, you're also dealing with an output of contaminated Polluted Water.  You have no doubt noticed that the Water Sieve doesn't kill Germs that go through it, either.  At this point, your easiest options are to route the water to processes that "destroy" it like the Deodorizer above (Electrolyzers do this quite nicely), or to heat it.  Where Slimelung dies from cold, Food Poisoning dies from hot.  You'll need to use a Tepidizer to heat it until the germs start dying.

[Ketmol]

@MythN7 Hi. I can not see the full base from the picture but i am pretty confident I know both exactly the cause of your problem and the fix.

Cause of problem: you are recycling polluted water (that contain germs into clean water) the recycling does not clean out the germs resulting in germs in the clean water. Then you are using the contaminated clean water to produce oxygen. Producing oxygen with water containing germs will result in the oxygen you produce containing it too. Because you are probably pumping the oxygen out all over your base you will after a while have germs everywhere in the air too and not only in the water. The germs in the air will be a lot more dangerous to your colony than the ones in the water.

 

Fix: If you have a gayser that produce clean water. Start pumping clean water directly from the gayser to your oxygen production. Electrolyzer got a fixed output temperature so no reason to cool it down first. Now at least you won't have any new germs in the air and the old ones will die of eventually.

Alt 1: cleaning water

When you clean polluted water send it to a separate tank with higher temperature. High temp means the germs die of faster. Clean up water until you fill the tank. Then put the cleaning on hold until most germs are dead. Empty the whole tank into your clean water tank, preferably not by pumping since that take time but rather by an automated door with the contaminated water chamber situated above the clean water. Once the tank is empty you can restart the cleaning of polluted water and fill up the tank again. This can be automated using pressure sensors and buffer-gates.

Alt 2: Cleaning water

Boil the water to clean it. That will kill of all germs.

 

[MythN7]

8 hours ago, Ketmol said:

@MythN7 Hi. I can not see the full base from the picture but i am pretty confident I know both exactly the cause of your problem and the fix.

Cause of problem: you are recycling polluted water (that contain germs into clean water) the recycling does not clean out the germs resulting in germs in the clean water. Then you are using the contaminated clean water to produce oxygen. Producing oxygen with water containing germs will result in the oxygen you produce containing it too. Because you are probably pumping the oxygen out all over your base you will after a while have germs everywhere in the air too and not only in the water. The germs in the air will be a lot more dangerous to your colony than the ones in the water.

 

Fix: If you have a gayser that produce clean water. Start pumping clean water directly from the gayser to your oxygen production. Electrolyzer got a fixed output temperature so no reason to cool it down first. Now at least you won't have any new germs in the air and the old ones will die of eventually.

Alt 1: cleaning water

When you clean polluted water send it to a separate tank with higher temperature. High temp means the germs die of faster. Clean up water until you fill the tank. Then put the cleaning on hold until most germs are dead. Empty the whole tank into your clean water tank, preferably not by pumping since that take time but rather by an automated door with the contaminated water chamber situated above the clean water. Once the tank is empty you can restart the cleaning of polluted water and fill up the tank again. This can be automated using pressure sensors and buffer-gates.

Alt 2: Cleaning water

Boil the water to clean it. That will kill of all germs.

 

ya i think you just answered the question I was gonna put here just now as to what is happening in a bran new map I started.

As a test i made a small pit to drop the water into from the machine only like 8 tiles away.

the water has only dropped out like 2 or 3 droplets of fluid since the output valve was finished. and i paused the game, almost 200k germs per tile of the 4 tiles that have some water droplets so far.

Ok, so this is surly my issue, I was in the habit of running the treated water back into my lake tanks.

So ill try your method of having several small tanks to dump the water in with a pump and power switch to manage which tank is going to be drained back into my lake.

 

As for your one guess, no the air was not polluted from using water to air, unless scrubbers can do it.

for my air, all i ever used was the deoxydizer and terrariums, and the scrubber i dont think makes oxygen just removes carbon.

Since the germ update, i have yet to get good enough to reach anything past these, around day 60-100 i end up starting over as it seems way to messy to fix my base, so yea, not even close to running out of algae or coal currently in my game sesh.

 

But a side question then.

If you pump this water from the treatment machine directly into a closed pipe system like your bathrooms and your scrubbers, can this put germs into the air of your base?  Or cause other germ issues?