[Experiment] Ice Biome Background Coldness

[WhatTheDuck]

Read Edit2 pls... the experiment didnt worked, i made a mistake :/

 

Hi Guys, 

i heard a bunch of dicussions about the temperatur regulations of biomes, some people keep telling that the biomes just have a fixed amount of heat/cold and if you remove it, it wont go back to the origin value. In my opinion this is a really intresting information if this is true or not. Can we remove heat with the ice biome temporary or infinite?

I created 6 cubes, all are insulated with abysallite insulated tiles. From left to right and top to bottom

 

Start                                                                              after 1 Cycle

1. Oil temp: 99 mass: 1000kg per tile                                   temp: 98,9

2. Oxygen temp: 99 mass: 1000kg per tile                           temp: 98,8

3. Chlorine temp: 99 mass 2kg per tile                                 temp: 25,7

4. Water: temp 99 mass: 1000kg per tile                              temp: 98,9

5.Oxygen temp: 99 mass: 2kg per tile                                  temp: 44,7

6. Chlorine temp 99 mass: 1000kg per tile                           temp: 95,2

 

I think Water and Oil are irrelevant because we have no real change in temp. 

Oxygen: 
Thermal Conductivity 2 (W/m)/K
Specific Heat Capacity 1,01(J/g)/K

Chlorine: 
Thermal Conductivity 0,0081 (W/m)/K
Specific Heat Capacity 0,48(J/g)/K

The Chlorine lost much more heat -> 99-25= 74° vs Oxygen 99-44=55°

 

My Conclusion: The Background has a effect on the Temp!.

The Thermal Conductivity is irrelevant in this case because the ice biome background seems to have a lower Conductivity than Chlorine. I m not able to calculate the other values but i think the twice as much heat capacity of oxygen explain the slower drop in temperatur in comparsion to chlorine. 

 

Thoughts?

 

 

 

PS: Destroying heat: which update fixed the heat destroying of hot water piped to hydrophonic farms? I like it btw!
Water Siever still destroy heat, do you know anything else without bug using?

 

Edit: Changed Conlusion to be more obvious ^^ 

Edit2: Project Failed, seems that because of some reasons i didnt used abysallite. The Background doenst had any influence : /

 

[BlueLance]

Hello, IIRC the heat is temporary, if you removed all wheezeworts and stopped all geysers the asteroid would eventually reach an equal temperature.

The background is just part of the Map Gen, Even if you put lava there the colour changes cuz its hot but the background biome does not change.

Excluding everything you do, Geysers heat up the world whilst wheezeworts cool it. Otherwise the rest of the world is just constantly exchanging heat.

So, its temporary if you remove the wheezeworts, permanent if you keep the wheezeworts and stop geysers erupting. 

[Kasuha]

Okay, this is interesting so I'm going to try and reproduce it when I get to my PC. I definitely wouldn't expect the background to have any effect.

[WhatTheDuck]

1 hour ago, BlueLance said:

Hello, IIRC the heat is temporary, if you removed all wheezeworts and stopped all geysers the asteroid would eventually reach an equal temperature.

The background is just part of the Map Gen, Even if you put lava there the colour changes cuz its hot but the background biome does not change.

Excluding everything you do, Geysers heat up the world whilst wheezeworts cool it. Otherwise the rest of the world is just constantly exchanging heat.

So, its temporary if you remove the wheezeworts, permanent if you keep the wheezeworts and stop geysers erupting. 

Huh?

If i didnt something wrong my experiment prove the opposite of your words.

The only thing which could influenced my setup are the tiles, but i expect insulated abyssalite tiles have MUCH less influence on it.... i could try it again with a vacuum puffer and doubled tiles but i m pretty sure now the background have influence on the temp!

 

Regards : ) 

53 minutes ago, Kasuha said:

Okay, this is interesting so I'm going to try and reproduce it when I get to my PC. I definitely wouldn't expect the background to have any effect.

I will also do more test at home, i just thought about it during a shower yesterday evening and did a fast test before going to sleep ^^

[Oozinator]

28 minutes ago, WhatTheDuck said:

but i m pretty sure now the background have influence on the temp!

Because of steam engine, could you do please a heating test too?

[WhatTheDuck]

30 minutes ago, Oozinator said:

Because of steam engine, could you do please a heating test too?

Sorry i m not sure what you mean, could you explain?

[avc15]

so then the question becomes, does the background just shift heat, or does it create/remove heat?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

updated topic

[Saturnus]

@WhatTheDuck I'm not saying you did something wrong but you clearly did something wrong.

I just placed a 4x4 cubes of abyssalite with hydrogen at 400K in each of the biomes. In the ice, caustic, slime, oil, and magma biomes. And none of them show any temperature change at all after 10 cycles. Not even a fraction of a degree difference or change.

[WhatTheDuck]

7 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

@WhatTheDuck I'm not saying you did something wrong but you clearly did something wrong.

I just placed a 4x4 cubes of abyssalite with hydrogen at 400K in each of the biomes. In the ice, caustic, slime, oil, and magma biomes. And none of them show any temperature change at all after 10 cycles. Not even a fraction of a degree difference or change.

 

Hihi, i was faster than you.. read the updated topic post .

But i would like to see a change to this mechanic.

[Falcahtas]

The biomes may have a different backround but that is it.

 

[Neotuck]

This reminds me of when I first tried to cool water from a steam geyser by building a pool in an ice biome.  Boy did that fail hard :P ended up melting the whole biome! 

[clickrush]

2 hours ago, WhatTheDuck said:

Hihi, i was faster than you.. read the updated topic post .

But i would like to see a change to this mechanic.

What kind of change? The biomes work as intended, They are a collection of material stuff with set initial temperatures. On top of that you find active stuff that influences the temperature, such as Wheezeworts and Steam/Gas Geysers, until your dupes come along and mess it all up.

[Kasuha]

Okay I did the test and I have some strange observations.

I made three sets of three chambers - in ice, caustic, and swamp biome, and the chambers contained hydrogen at 2 kg/tile at 100 K, 300 K, and 500 K.

At first, I actually did observe some deviations from the starting temperature and they were pretty fast. So that may explain or support what OP has observed. However when I tried with more massive abyssalite and neutronium walls, the effect diminished.

In the end I got eight chambers where the temperature was perfectly stable, and one chamber (highlighted) where the temperature deviated by 0.1 K from the starting temperature.

I think there may be some kind of game bug involved but I strongly doubt it's effect of the biome background.

Second observation: there's something strange going on.

I replaced contents of all chambers with 1000 K hydrogen and it immediately started deviating. Worst offender - the left caustic chamber - by full 50 K within literally seconds. All other chambers deviated by about 3.5 K regardless of the original hydrogen temperature in them.