FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Edit in Feb 15, 2018 Here is the OC version. no heavy.sav =========================================== =========================================== I try to get rid of heavy-watt wire by using automation and shutoff. =========================================== Here is my design. SAVE FILE During each second, only half of batteries supply power to refrigerators, and the other half are charging. I use 25 hydrogen generators to drive 160 refrigerators. (25*800W=20 kW; 160*120W=19.2 kW) But I face a problem. NOT GATE has a slight delay, hence when the signal changes, input and output of the NOT GATE are likely to be false at the same time. In this time, no power are supplied to refrigerators. Any idea is welcome =========================================== New design, but like a trick. Spoiler Here is my new design to solve this problem. This design can save numerous metal and space. Does anyone have reported it in bug tracker? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Use an OR gate as delay If that's not closely enough timed you can use a synced AND and XOR gate to get absolutely perfect timing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-992479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, Saturnus said: Use an OR gate as delay If that's not closely enough timed you can use a synced AND and XOR gate to get absolutely perfect timing. really useful. Thank you! ======== I find another solution. It seems like a trick. Does anyone have reported it in bug tracker? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-992491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Why that seems totally legit Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-992510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 15 hours ago, R9MX4 said: Here is my design. Good for small bases! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-992704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Oozinator said: Good for small bases! Or large bases that you want to run on hamster wheel power without using heavi-watt wire. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-992765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Would it be possible to use this to have hamsters go into a heavy wire from regular in combination with a transformer or no. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-992958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 hours ago, BT_20 said: Would it be possible to use this to have hamsters go into a heavy wire from regular in combination with a transformer or no. 4 hours ago, BT_20 said: Would it be possible to use this to have hamsters go into a heavy wire from regular in combination with a transformer or no. Design[1] Spoiler Design 2. Advantages: totally get rid of heavy-watt wire (save metal) Disadvantages: use 2 small batteries and 4 power shutoffs to replace one transformer (waste metal and generate more heat) Spoiler Design[3] Advantages: totally get rid of heavy-watt wire and transformers (save tons of metal) Disadvantages: it looks like a trick Spoiler Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-992995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arash70 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 So you're basically building whats called a multiplexer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexer) to switch between different circuits on a set time. Nice Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-993132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 54 minutes ago, Arash70 said: So you're basically building whats called a multiplexer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexer) to switch between different circuits on a set time. Nice Yes. It's literally a switched capacitor (or battery) isolated power supply. https://pdfserv.maximintegrated.com/en/an/AN4553.pdf Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-993133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 36 minutes ago, Saturnus said: No. It's literally a switched capacitor (or battery) isolated power supply. https://pdfserv.maximintegrated.com/en/an/AN4553.pdf An integrated H -bridge driver <---- switched multiplexer Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-993138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Kabrute said: An integrated H -bridge driver <---- switched multiplexer Yes. A multiplexer is part of it but the precise term is a switched capacitor (or battery in this case because we're talking very low frequencies) isolated power supply. EDIT: And I just realized that I wrote "No. It's..", I meant "Yes. It's...". I've corrected it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-993139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 its using 2 feed rails with 720w drain and 2 nat gas genes on each input. 960w max drain on outlets They are split cycling power in to the battery banks so there is always a charge being pulled from each generator, and always supply being fed to each outlet. Your timer driving it all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-993267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Here's an idea for you all. Connecting all your circuits with switched batteries connections you can have a completely decentralized battery bank. And if you use large batteries in those switched batteries then you can have a dead end circuit with a known constant power consumption that is tolerant to short brown outs. On that dead end circuit you use tiny batteries in the switched. Doing that the dead end circuit will run into brown outs well before any other circuit ever sees any problem so your low power detection would kick in and increase power production well before any other circuit loses power. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/86398-get-rid-of-heavy-watt-wire/#findComment-993603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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