BT_20 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Spoiler So I have a question is there a set way to figure out the wats generated by something such as a wheezewart or steam geyser?For the wheezewart let’s assume it has hydrogen at 2000 g per tile and for the geyser let’s assume it will be able to produce without hitting its pressure limits.If Someone knows how to calculate this it would be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donutman07 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 https://oxygennotincluded.gamepedia.com/Steam_Geyser Steam Geyser doesn't produce heat, it produces hot water and steam. In high density hydrogen, a wheezewort will take 1000g of hydrogen and lower it by 5oK. Hydrogen's specific heat is 2.4 J/g/oK. So we have shaved off 12kJ of energy per inhale of the wheezewort. It inhales once per second, which would make it -12kW. similar thread with some related info at: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 Ok so I should have said how many watts are needed to cool a steam geyser that’s never blocked to say 10 degrees and how many wheeze warts are needed to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi01 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 1 hour ago, BT_20 said: Ok so I should have said how many watts are needed to cool a steam geyser that’s never blocked to say 10 degrees and how many wheeze warts are needed to do so. That depends on how cold you want it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 I said 10 degrees in the post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trukogre Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Assuming you mean 10 degrees C. Let's assume the average temperature of the water coming out of the geyser is 100 C, and it puts out 4400 g/s. I'm not sure of the exact figures, but I think these are fairly close. 4400 g/s * 4.18 spec heat * 90 degrees = 1.655.280 watts. That's roughly 138 wheezeworts. However, there exist designs which successfully cool a geyser by using less wheezeworts than this, by taking advantage of certain thermodynamic exploits coming from the way heat exchange has been implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, trukogre said: Assuming you mean 10 degrees C. Let's assume the average temperature of the water coming out of the geyser is 100 C, and it puts out 4400 g/s. I'm not sure of the exact figures, but I think these are fairly close. 4400 g/s * 4.18 spec heat * 90 degrees = 1.655.280 watts. That's roughly 138 wheezeworts. However, there exist designs which successfully cool a geyser by using less wheezeworts than this, by taking advantage of certain thermodynamic exploits coming from the way heat exchange has been implemented. A geyser puts out roughly 4000g/s 90C water and 200g/s 150C steam. Combined when the steam is condensed it's roughly 4200g/s at 92.86C water. Can I also say that naturally he meant Celsius. Not because I'm scientifically biased but because water at either 10F or 10K would make no sense in the context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 If you need an accurate number one geyser = 725kg/180s water 95℃ + 30kg/180s steam 150℃ ≈ 4.194kg/s water 97.19℃. It's almost impossible to cool one steam geyser to room temperature without heat deletion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScaryOne Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 What are the best non exploity heat deletion methods? IIRC the shower and water sieve output fixed temperatures and can be used to cool hot water or polluted hot water, but none of this is noted on the wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 28 minutes ago, TheScaryOne said: What are the best non exploity heat deletion methods? IIRC the shower and water sieve output fixed temperatures and can be used to cool hot water or polluted hot water, but none of this is noted on the wiki It is a good idea that using machines to consume high temperature liquid and gas. Another way is to uproot & replant a wheezewort constantly. Everytime be planted, the temperature of wheezewort will be reset to 20℃ The third way is to make use of material circulation of h2o and ph2o. Ph2o has a larger specific heat capacity than h2o, and it's easily to changing h2o to ph2o or in reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 Ok so from what I can see cooling a geyser isn’t practical.So if I plum all constant output temp structures with the regular geyser water and abyssalite.But there are still thing I need cool water for is it possible to cool small amounts of geyser water with thermo aqua tuners in pw before it goes to the fertilizer synth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donutman07 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, BT_20 said: Ok so from what I can see cooling a geyser isn’t practical.So if I plum all constant output temp structures with the regular geyser water and abyssalite.But there are still thing I need cool water for is it possible to cool small amounts of geyser water with thermo aqua tuners in pw before it goes to the fertilizer synth. Might I ask what you'd like the cool water for? (I'm okay with whatever you want to use it on, just good to know what use case to gauge the desired temperature and if there are are alternatives to cool water available). I currently cool water for berries just for ****s and giggles. However, I don't cool the geyser water for this. I use the water output from a water sieve which is always 40C, and run it through 2 aquatuners bringing it down to 12C. I use the excess heat of the aquatuners to keep my peppernut farm nice and toasty. It's not that hard to keep a geyser reasonably cool, but it depends on how much you draw from it. Build a reasonably large tank around it, fill it with hydrogen and wheezeworts and some diamond or tungsten tempshift plates and you can probably bring it down to an acceptable level. But since you have 2 geysers, I'd suggest using 1 geyser for most of your needs and using it hot. Then the 2nd geyser you can use sparsely for cool water needs. Alternatively, just make a water pool somewhere and build 1kg storage containers and fill it with ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 I don’t know about cooling the geyser it’s self I’ve tried it in the past but it’s practically impossible to cool it if you’re pumping out water.I guess I could use one geyser for the constants and one with a form of cooling.I still need to know if I can use aqua tuners to cool some geyser water Would it be possible to get the polluted water from my power plant to near evaporation before I synthesize it by putting the geyser heat into it.I hope it is cause I could delete a lot of heat if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, BT_20 said: Would it be possible to get the polluted water from my power plant to near evaporation before I synthesize it by putting the geyser heat into it. Yes. No problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donutman07 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 if you aren't shy about using bugs/broken mechanics this setup can keep a geyser cooled to whatever temperature you want at relatively low energy cost: As a bonus it keeps its own batteries cool. I can explain if youre interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 It sound viable I do know that you can get infinite cooling for nat gas plants by aqua tuning the plants off put polluted water then dripping it on the generators because the generators outputs are the same temp of the generator itself.I don't know of this glitch so I would appreciate if you explained it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donutman07 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 in this case the falling liquid is petroleum, though you can use anything really. When it hits a very small amount of liquid on the top of that pool it converts the liquid below it to its temperature. Basically you cool down 2 tiles instantly for free, deleting much more heat than the pump or aquatuner add. So the cooler in this case is just a very efficient anti-enthalpy device. It shouldn't work, but it does thanks to game mechanics. Then it's just connected with tungsten tiles and some tungsten thermal shift plates to whatever you want to cool off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 How many watts of cooling can I get out of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 16 minutes ago, BT_20 said: How many watts of cooling can I get out of this? Infinite. Because it breaks the law of conservation of energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 So dose everything in this game warts morbs geysers closed systems thermodynamics state conversions food stress responses gravity and the thermo nullifyer.You didn't answer my question I wanted to know how efficient it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donutman07 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, BT_20 said: How many watts of cooling can I get out of this? Depends on what material you use. If you're cheating anyways, propane makes a pretty hilarious coolant. Whatever temperature you want to cool something to, you can pretty much do that with this if you use the right liquid for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScaryOne Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Propane is an excellent coolant. Used down in Cuba where R12 is hard to come by for their 50's Detroit iron. The only downside is a leak + a spark = explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_20 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 I don’t know I think I’m just gonna heat the past before I synthesize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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