I'm using OUTHOUSES to Control Food Poisoning!!?

[Sasuga]

The title says it all.  I haven't figured out a way to kill the germs in water.  I've tried heating and cooling but that hasn't worked for me yet.  I plan to experiment more, I suspect there's a way to kill the germs with hot or cold.  However, the easiest way I've found to prevent the spread of food poisoning is to use outhouses, and that seems illogical to me.

[FR4NK]

Using outhouses will still have a larger net gain of total germs.

 

You need to heat the water up to 75C+ to start killing the germs.

[The Plum Gate]

Actually you just need to get it hot enough to surpass the duplication rate, then it will start dieing off. It's not an all or nothing deal with temperature.

[vonVile]

Are you using the same Water for food as you are for your bathroom system? If so, don't do that. Have two separate systems for clean and polluted Water in reservoirs. Pump the water from a PW reservoir into a Purifier for the bathroom system and have an output Spout back into the PW reservoir. With it like this you'll generate PW without having to worry about blockage from too much PW in the line. My 10x10 tile reservoir took about 400 Cycles before it started to get full with 6 Dupes. Also put Deodorizers on Mesh tiles inside the PW reservoir to remove Polluted Oxygen. I haven't had any germs in my Water doing this.

[BlueLance]

Your dupes also get less germs on them after using a lavatory, but as stated keep your polluted water and clean water separate.

[Le0n1des]

I place my hatches in the bathroom area (2 washers, 2 outhouses). As they are constantly awake and hungry, they immediately dispatch of polluted dirt from the outhouses and the polluted water from the washers, germs and all, and produce clean coal, so I don't have germs in the water in the first place

[BlueLance]

6 minutes ago, Le0n1des said:

I place my hatches in the bathroom area (2 washers, 2 outhouses). As they are constantly awake and hungry, they immediately dispatch of polluted dirt from the outhouses and the polluted water from the washers, germs and all, and produce clean coal, so I don't have germs in the water in the first place

Thats exactly what I do, Although I have 3 outhouses. and All my hatches I find end up there haha, but extremely efficient for me.

[Le0n1des]

1 hour ago, BlueLance said:

Thats exactly what I do, Although I have 3 outhouses. and All my hatches I find end up there haha, but extremely efficient for me.

I place several of those at opposing sides of the base to minimize "running to the toilet" times. Also a ladder from the middle so the medbeds in the floor above are also covered

[Guest]

In my set up I don't really bother with reducing the food poisoning germs in the water. Rather, I separate it from my clean water entirely. The germed polluted water is then allocated to my fertilizer makers. At the beginning of the game when you arrive at the point when you can start plumbing, it's vital for your colony to build a separate and airsealed basin for the water containing germs

Boiling water or otherwise heating up to the point where germs die off, is a clean way, BUT not easy to achieve, and takes time. In the meanwhile, you already have heaps of germed water to deal with.

Also very important to note: keep sources of germed polluted water and normal polluted water from other sources also entirely separated. For instance water from air skimmers is germ free provided your clean water was also free. so that is safe to purify and reuse.

[Coolthulhu]

31 minutes ago, turbonl64 said:

At the beginning of the game when you arrive at the point when you can start plumbing, it's vital for your colony to build a separate and airsealed basin for the water containing germs

It's far from vital. I'd argue it's far from useful. It's actually hard for dupes to acquire food poisoning from water. So far the only time I've seen food poisoning germ spread significantly was when I deliberately didn't build a wash basin.

You don't need to manage polluted water as anything more dangerous than a source of pO2 for slimelung to infect.

There are simply no good pathways for germs from water onto dupes. I can't think of anything more dangerous than handling bottles of polluted water from the basin, and those are pretty safe.

[Le0n1des]

42 minutes ago, Coolthulhu said:

There are simply no good pathways for germs from water onto dupes. I can't think of anything more dangerous than handling bottles of polluted water from the basin, and those are pretty safe.

I guess the intended pathway is infected cooking water (which doesn't happen, as nobody seems to cook and people tend to rely on raw meal lice)

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Coolthulhu said:

It's far from vital. I'd argue it's far from useful. It's actually hard for dupes to acquire food poisoning from water. So far the only time I've seen food poisoning germ spread significantly was when I deliberately didn't build a wash basin.

You don't need to manage polluted water as anything more dangerous than a source of pO2 for slimelung to infect.

There are simply no good pathways for germs from water onto dupes. I can't think of anything more dangerous than handling bottles of polluted water from the basin, and those are pretty safe.

I disagree. I myself made the mistake thinking the water purifier would filter out the germs. What happened then was that I built lavatories, had the polluted water send to my water purifier and right back into my water supply. . Once the germs got into my supply of fresh water, the germs multiplied very fast. At the time, I was just feeding the dupes mush bars. Since that supply was inside my base, trying to warm it up was not an option. I ended up with the whole colony reaching 0% immunity. If my rations where 5k cal. lower the colony would have died. It gave me the time to redirect clean geyser water into a none germed basin.

Better be safe then sorry. Separate germed water from basically anything else. Use it for applications which does not involve dupes coming into contact with. OU does require more careful planning of your plumbing.

[BlueLance]

3 hours ago, Le0n1des said:

I guess the intended pathway is infected cooking water (which doesn't happen, as nobody seems to cook and people tend to rely on raw meal lice)

But its the polluted water that is infected, so not much good there either. unless your mixing them

[Risu]

An insulated tank of mixed water with a tepidizer and a pump going to a purifier should be good enough for a looped system.
The purifier passes clean water straight through it and cleanses any polluted water it gets so no polluted water reaches the facilities.
The tepidizer heats up the liquid to a maximum temperature so it can't possibly overheat.
The temperature of the water doesn't matter in the slightest for the toilet and shower so whatever.

Place another pump near the top of the tank to handle overflow as the toilet produces additional liquid.
At that point no food poisoning should be surviving at top as the polluted water is collecting at bottom of tank with the tepidizer.
 

[Coolthulhu]

1 hour ago, turbonl64 said:

At the time, I was just feeding the dupes mush bars.

We can blame the anti-new-player friendly mechanics here then. Mush bars are a crutch in OU, mealwood spam is vastly superior.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Coolthulhu said:

We can blame the anti-new-player friendly mechanics here then. Mush bars are a crutch in OU, mealwood spam is vastly superior.

I agree, although I'm not really a new player and at the time just did not bother in the slightest for farming. You can perfectly away with giving your dupes mush bars, provided you have enough water (which looks to be much more of a problem this update until you can get to a geyser), and can keep it clean.

But yeah, mealwood spam now is frankly very easy.

 

[BlueLance]

On 15/09/2017 at 7:39 PM, Coolthulhu said:

We can blame the anti-new-player friendly mechanics here then. Mush bars are a crutch in OU, mealwood spam is vastly superior.

I never used to mind Mush bars, but having them spammed, plus water for wash basins, and electrolyzers I found my water quickly dwindled now. So as you said I now spam Mealwood, my water has never looked so full in my life.