Kasuha Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 As far as I know, fertilizer makers produce polluted oxygen. These have been running in this locked up room for quite a while and what surprised me was that somehow the oxygen pressure grew up to 5 kg per tile over that time. Plus there's not a single tile containing polluted oxygen in the room or any other gas, just pure oxygen everywhere. It started with pure oxygen pressurized up to 2 kg per tile, sent in through the vent in the upper right corner. But of course there's no way to send anything there if it's over 2 kg per tile. So it looks to me like all the polluted oxygen produced by these machines was converted to clean oxygen by the pressure. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRou Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Fertilizer makers do not produce any gas, I've tried in debug mode just incase and put them in a vacuum and after 2 cycles not even a single tile of gas is in the room. I think it is your vent still pumping in gas even tho it says its overpressurized. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-907829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, AlexRou said: I think it is your vent still pumping in gas even tho it says its overpressurized. There's no complete pipe going to that vent anymore, I deconstructed it about 100 cycles ago. It's possible it's the wheezewort doing though. I have another, newer, hydrogen-filled room with a wheezewort and it's pressurized to 2100 grams per tile now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-907834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRou Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 20 minutes ago, Kasuha said: There's no complete pipe going to that vent anymore, I deconstructed it about 100 cycles ago. It's possible it's the wheezewort doing though. I have another, newer, hydrogen-filled room with a wheezewort and it's pressurized to 2100 grams per tile now. I tried with 4 ice carrots and starting from 1 kg of oxygen in every tile, I get some areas of close to 2 kg of oxygen but I also get areas of < 1 kg of oxygen. So I guess it all evens out. I have not seen anything to indicate that ice carrots will make 2 kg of oxygen into 5 kg of oxygen unless there are tiles with much lower concentration of oxygen somewhere. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-907846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelaen Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 fertilizer when made is dropped on the floor which generates the po2, is that it? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-907850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, phelaen said: fertilizer when made is dropped on the floor which generates the po2, is that it? No, fertilizer doesn't generate any gases. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-907855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRou Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 This is just to prove po2 does not turn into o2 under pressure. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-907858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 23 minutes ago, AlexRou said: This is just to prove po2 does not turn into o2 under pressure. I agree, I actually tested it too. I really wonder what caused it but the room is there for something like 600 cycles, most of the time locked but sometimes I let dupes in to do some adjustments. There is normal pressure in the rest of the base. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-907872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRou Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kasuha said: I agree, I actually tested it too. I really wonder what caused it but the room is there for something like 600 cycles, most of the time locked but sometimes I let dupes in to do some adjustments. There is normal pressure in the rest of the base. Well unless someone else can repo it let's just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-907880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left4twenty Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Could it be something of the opposite of how polluted water pollutes water? Like a high enough oxygen concentration can consume and convert pO2 into O2? Only one gas can exist in a tile (afaik) but O2 at high concentrations wants to spread out and equalize, and if it can't mix with pO2, maybe it just "dilutes" it into oxygeb. Maybe gases aren't working like that though Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-907943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, Left4twenty said: Could it be something of the opposite of how polluted water pollutes water? Like a high enough oxygen concentration can consume and convert pO2 into O2? Only one gas can exist in a tile (afaik) but O2 at high concentrations wants to spread out and equalize, and if it can't mix with pO2, maybe it just "dilutes" it into oxygeb. Maybe gases aren't working like that though Nono, the fertilizer makers don't produce polluted oxygen, I was wrong about it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-907954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzaisme Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 I also have 5Kg's of oxygen in an area of my base for no reason at all and it is still rising Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-907982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 4 hours ago, AlexRou said: Well unless someone else can repo it let's just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Update: after a few cycles the pressure increased to 5.2 kg/tile. I actually let the dupes in to shut down the machines so I expected the pressure go down slightly as some gas may have escaped through the airlock. And I am positive nothing came through the vent during that time. Also the other room with wheezewort in hydrogen increased from around 2100 to 2150-2200. It seems to me the wheezewort is adding gas, maybe the higher the pressure, the more it adds. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-908043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Are you aware that wheezeworts have an internal storage? Is it possible they had gas inside of them that you didn't factor for ? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-908076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, Lifegrow said: Are you aware that wheezeworts have an internal storage? Is it possible they had gas inside of them that you didn't factor for ? I certainly did not release anything from that storage. Most of the time I wasn't even paying attention to that room. And the room has about 170 kg of extra oxygen in it now. The wheezeworts were grown from seeds right in that room so even if they were releasing something from that internal storage, they made it from nothing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-908088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 So the room was a vacuum when you planted them ? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-908091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lifegrow said: So the room was a vacuum when you planted them ? No, the room was initially pressurized to 2 kg of oxygen per tile. Now there is 5 kg of oxygen per tile without me doing anything special in that room for several hundred cycles. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-908100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Hmm, i've just built a test room now in my "derp around" base - cycle 103 at the minute, will feed back later. Very odd though eh? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-908103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted n Emily Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Not sure if this is the right place for this, but if it is not, my apologizes, this is my first post here. I have to say, some of you guys have come up with some amazing idea stuff, I mean, wow. This game is way more complex then I first thought it was. By complex I don't mean it's hard to play, I mean the things you can do blow me away!!! This is real world physics at work. Any way, my question... How do you use a weezewart? I can dig them up and put them in storage, but have no idea how to replant them somewhere. Also, reading though some of the posts I noticed that critters that are stuck in little zones are always surrounded by coal, they make coal??? I seem to always be running out of it, which brings the game to a quick end. I have a lot of general questions but I won't post them here as I am not sure yet that this is the right place to do it. I have to say though that this is by far the coolest game I have ever played so far, and I have been playing computer games since 1975 (the first computer game was 'colossal cave', 100% text, graphics had not yet been invented, you could only play it on a mainframe computer cause there were no home computers yet, yes, I'm that old. back in the day when 20k of memory was the size of a small car.) So my last question is... Where should I post general questions? Are there any dox on the game I can d/l somewhere? Thanks in advance for the help peeps btw. the profile pic is the emily in 'ted and emily' Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-909186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRou Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 4 hours ago, Ted n Emily said: How do you use a weezewart? I can dig them up and put them in storage, but have no idea how to replant them somewhere. Collect it to storage and deconstruct it or unselect seeds to make it drop on the ground, they will only grow on natural blocks and not tiles. 4 hours ago, Ted n Emily said: Also, reading though some of the posts I noticed that critters that are stuck in little zones are always surrounded by coal, they make coal??? There is a critter that makes coal, yes, but they do not make coal blocks. They eat stuff and drop coal as if you mined it. 4 hours ago, Ted n Emily said: I have a lot of general questions but I won't post them here as I am not sure yet that this is the right place to do it. So my last question is... Where should I post general questions? Are there any dox on the game I can d/l somewhere? No this is not the right place to post it, as it does not relate to the topic at all. Create your own thread in the general section. http://forums.kleientertainment.com/forum/119-oxygen-not-included-general-discussion/ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-909270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted n Emily Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 thanks a bunch, I can see there is a very helpful gaming community here, makes all the difference, once again, thanks Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-909285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Am I missing the obvious point that there's an airlock on the right side of the room. Airlocks are, contrary to what you'd expect, not airtight. So if there's high pressure oxygen present on the other side it will leak into the fertilizer maker room. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-909329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, Saturnus said: Am I missing the obvious point that there's an airlock on the right side of the room. Airlock are, contrary to what you'd expect, not airtight. So if there's high pressure oxygen present on the other side it will leak into the fertilizer maker room. That place on the other side of that airlock is the main body of my base. There's less than 2000 g of oxygen per tile there. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-909331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kasuha said: That place on the other side of that airlock is the main body of my base. There's less than 2000 g of oxygen per tile there. Then the oxygen in the fertilizer room leaks into your base further confounding the problem. I think I'll just chalk it down as a bug as it doesn't seem to be replicable. I have seen some strange bugs with wheezeworts before such as leaving a few in a completely closed room only to find it had turned into a vacuum and the wheezeworts had reverted to seeds. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-909332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMuffins Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I think it is the wheezeworts' doing. They have an internal storage for the gasses that they suck in. They "work" on these then expel them. If there are rounding issues at this step, more or less gasses will come out of them. Over time, the discrepancies can add up and the effect can be seen. The fact that it took hundreds of cycles before you took notice meant that the discrepancy is really small but not infinitesimally small. So it's likely a rounding issue. The door leaking issue was supposed to be fixed though. I've not had issues with vacuum room loosing their vacuum state from using doors. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77700-polluted-oxygen-converted-to-oxygen-by-pressure/#findComment-909592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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