Thermal Upgrade -Liquid valves are broken-FIXED

[arfnhtylz]

So apparently New beta update totally busted the liquid valves (Although I have to say I love the fact that the gas traffic inside the vents are silk smooth)

I was using 1 valve in 1 kg water flow rate for electrolyzer but the valve seemed to be doing jacksh*t.So I thought hey maybe one valve can't keep up with the pressure of keeping extra 9kg inside the pipe, so I set 9  of them and gradually decreased the flow control in the decrements of 1 kg. What do you know? It still does Jacksh*t.After searching with Uncle Google, I couldn't find anything, so I thought to myself "I think I am dumb, can't even figure out how to operate the valves".That's why I am here. Any ideas?

 

Here is the setup If you can spot something wrong please tell me.

 

 

I FIXED IT WITH EVERYBODY'S HELP.LOOK AT THE COMMENTS

[Beowulfe]

I'd have to see some more information, but it's possible your electrolyzers are full on water and can't accept more right now, I believe they have a 10kg max capacity. I think it takes a while for them to burn it off into hydrogen/oxygen... I could be wrong, though, haven't played with them enough yet.

[Blas88]

After the electrolizers's storage is full, they will use up 2x500g water as the pumps will remove that amount of gas. (little less since needs to wait for airflow so gas pump wont have 100% effectiveness)

So anything above 2kg before the split will oversaturate the pipe so it will fill up to 10kg blobs. (valve outputs water at every second water movement thats why 2kg)

[Risu]

They patched the hydrogen generator this update which had the same Empty Pipe bug.

Can easily add this patch to both the fertilizer maker and electrolyzer to make them work as intended.
 

[arfnhtylz]

21 minutes ago, Beowulfe said:

I'd have to see some more information, but it's possible your electrolyzers are full on water and can't accept more right now, I believe they have a 10kg max capacity. I think it takes a while for them to burn it off into hydrogen/oxygen... I could be wrong, though, haven't played with them enough yet.

 

 

So the electrolyzers have their own storage? I didn't know they added that last time I checked electrolyzers were just destroying the water that they don't use.Although my problem is not with electrolyzers rather with the valves.I can't seem to make the valves work properly

20 minutes ago, Blas88 said:

After the electrolizers's storage is full, they will use up 2x500g water as the pumps will remove that amount of gas. (little less since needs to wait for airflow so gas pump wont have 100% effectiveness)

So anything above 2kg before the split will oversaturate the pipe so it will fill up to 10kg blobs. (valve outputs water at every second water movement thats why 2kg)

 

 

So if I split the pipes before the valve and then use the valves, will it fix the problem?

[Blas88]

All of your valves working, you are just letting too much water through to see any difference.

[arfnhtylz]

18 minutes ago, Blas88 said:

All of your valves working, you are just letting too much water through to see any difference.

Yeah, I just realised that.Water just stacks up on top of each other until it's 10 kg.Do you have any suggestions on how to fix that

[Blas88]

You can set the valves that directly connected to the electrolizers to 1000g/s.

And set the valve that connected to these 2 valves directly to 2000g/s.

Rest of the liquid valves have no function currently.

[Octyabr]

Valves did work as a kind of funnel before this beta (taking big packets in and spitting small packets out) but I couldn't make them function the other way round: instead of taking several consecutive small packets and spitting out big ones every now and then, small packets passed by like the the valve were a bridge.

I haven't checked that yet, anyone knows if it was fixed?

[Mijae]

14 minutes ago, Octyabr said:

Valves did work as a kind of funnel before this beta (taking big packets in and spitting small packets out) but I couldn't make them function the other way round: instead of taking several consecutive small packets and spitting out big ones every now and then, small packets passed by like the the valve were a bridge.

I haven't checked that yet, anyone knows if it was fixed?

That sounds working as intended to me.

[arfnhtylz]

Finally fixed it.Here is how. I just build the valve next to the pump, that way every 10 kg would be divided into 1 kg's and when the left side of the pipe gets full the pump simply stops working.Brilliant! I was just furious that I had to constantly watch over the pump but now it is fixed.(PS.I even tried to divide the water with vents but because of that pump would just keep working which is inefficient electricity consumption)

[Blas88]

@Octyabr you set the maximum pressure on the valves not the packet size.

[Blas88]

@Octyabr You can build something like this to increase packet size for the required amount. (you can set any packet size with the valve that outputs water for the vent. Also need a little time until the system fills with water)

Most of the valves are only needed to make water flow only one direction.

[Methusalem]

Out of curiosity, why are you using this setup? With the new patch you can go from the pump directly to the electrolyzers without having any mass loss. The electrolyzers will slow down or skip a second if the air pressure gets too high, looks like there is no water loss either.

[Octyabr]

The tooltip says: "Increases or decreases the Liquid/Gas volume in Pipes to maintain ideal pressure."

What I understand is that if you set a high flow rate with a low input rate, it should merge the packets.

With some images maybe?

Spoiler

This is how "decreases" work:

This is how "increases" should work:

An this is how it worked instead:

Just imagine the chu-chu sound it makes in-game.

I still have to confirm it first hand though.

[Risu]

The increase part is currently impossible as the valve has no storage.
(Which makes the claims that valves destroy mass even more funny.)

It'd also just break completely if the wrong element shows up at the intake
while it's trying to shovel more mass into a packet.
 

[ShamPeiN]

the electrolyzer had storage, destroyed water after storage full, and didnt use without pumping. pipe corners congregate water so use straight pipes after valve, that should split water. Before update i vented out some water before/after.

 

[Risu]

2 minutes ago, ShamPeiN said:

the electrolyzer had storage, destroyed water after storage full, and didnt use without pumping. pipe corners congregate water so use straight pipes after valve, that should split water. Before update i vented out some water before/after.

 

And did you check for mass loss at the "green box"?
Because that's where it consumes from when the pipe is full.

All you're doing when you add a valve is move where the end of the line is to somewhere more obvious.
 

[ShamPeiN]

its not end of line if splits, but i used vents before it, seems to split it then valves made pockets, not always, i think length of pipe matters too, worked even after my water was gone

[Risu]

3 minutes ago, ShamPeiN said:

its not end of line if splits, but i used vents before it, seems to split it then valves made pockets, not always, i think length of pipe matters too, worked even after my water was gone

They always flip flop between every branch they pass.
So if one packet goes to A the next goes to B and the next goes back to A.
 

[ShamPeiN]

seems visually bugged, cause main pipe was empty and machine used up storage too and the water was going 2 cycles to split the last bits.  may have lost some in valve but not 10kg alas. 

[heckubis]

allways ready to make o2 and hydrogen

[heckubis]

and they fixed most of the mass loss have had natural spill points moving water around all build still haven't needed to start filtering. making fertalizer with ph2o

[MoMuffins]

13 minutes ago, heckubis said:

making fertalizer with ph2o

Do what now?  Phosphorous turn into fertilizer?....Oh nvm.  Polluted water.  Crisis.

[heckubis]

yah sorry I caught that after and figured mehhh