[Rant / Opinion Posts] PS Self-Entitlement

[HoveringOnions]

[I don't say I don't like people, I wouldn't play on public servers either, read through this so you understand where I am coming from. Also post your opinions on this if this has happened to you.]

 

So - No one on this server, good, easy start for me day 1 to quickly gather resources. Day 4 comes around, a player joins as Abigail. No big deal, she's actually nice, she doesn't bother me. I find Pig King and build a base near glommer around day 5, and day 6, there is probably 4 more people on the server. I want to make honey for taffy for winter, with Glommer since Deerclops would come for me since I had the most days alive.

 

I come back to my base a few days after day 6 and find the Abigail and one of the next players, who was a WX-78 building chests and putting their loot down and trying to destroy and move my machines.

"This is my base you know"

"oh, it is a really good base"

Thats all I got from them, they just started spurting chests up everywhere, and suddenly I had 2 uninvited guests smashing down my bee boxes because "this isn't a good place to put them"

 

I don't DISLIKE Public Servers, but I hate people who entitled themselves to someone elses base without asking them first. I don't mind someone asking me, I will probably say I'm not sure right now or no. (Most of the time I invite them in if its late autumn since what can they really do for themselves?)

I understand Public Servers are probably revolving around the server working together, but there is a difference between teamwork and players hopping onto the closest base they see to change the owners plans of their base into their own.

I died to a Pig Fortress trying to steal some loot, I couldn't make an umbrella from Pig Skins since they took my last 2 and made football hats. I died of insanity because of the constant rain.

"Could one of you please revive me?"

"i don't know you left base so i don't think i can"

I left shortly after looking around for a Touchstone, couldn't deal with it anymore.

 

My question really is, Do you accept people that randomly join the server early on, and just try getting it easy whilst you put in the work in the beginning? Friends or Friends of Friends as different. They don't "Ask", asking is different. Worse Case Scenario, like with a Willow from 3 days ago, saw me and constantly followed me around going into my Chester and Hutch (an Admin gave me Hutch) and took my tentacle spikes I collected from Merms killing Tentacles day prior. I had to constantly jump in and out of wormholes to get away from her and went insane doing so, for her to then die and ask me to give her a Telltale Heart.

I made friends with a Wigfrid Main because it was Late Autumn and we managed to survive until Day 33 before we both had to leave and someone died on the server later that night.

[HoveringOnions]

[About the bee-boxes, I went out that day also to find some more stone, I wanted to do a typical walled off 3 bee boxes with a small doorway and a lightning rod in front of it, so when Autumn comes if we survived that long, they don't come flying towards me being right next to the campfire, which I learned the hard way]

 

EDIT / RANTING ON

 

Adding more fuel onto the fire, (If name dropping isn't allowed I'll fix it), a Wilson player by WhatTheFussy does a robin hood, but for himself. He joins just before winter, and raids iceboxes and eats all the food for himself so people can't survive through winter. I scavenged enough food on the day he was out to survive and because of slower spoilage, I sat there as he tried rummaging to find more stuff to steal whilst going insane because of him not looking after himself.

 

AVOID THIS PLAYER, i'm going to see if the owner of said server can ban him about griefing, there is 2 witnesses and I play that server alot. I don't want to get to winter and have some random eat all my food, then play like he did nothing when people catch on.

 

"Who smashed down my wall and ate out my fridge?" "They dropped marble and broke a wall.. Left one eggplant."

"I don't want to play the blame game, i had a sign saying just ask for food and I would say yes, don't steal"

"WhatTheFussy you're the only one holding a hammer did you break down my wall?"

no response

"I'll take the silence as a yes"

"oh look you are holding a spear now"

a girl on the server

"what the f*ck dude why are you eating all my food"

he says "I didn't know it was yours"

she replies "its my base bud"

 

Griefers and trolls have to act so stupid on purpose which is more annoying then the theft itself. I can recover from the theft, but when they have to act like they don't know what they're doing wrong it just annoys the hell out of me.

 

[Arlesienne]

On 23.09.2016 at 4:32 PM, HoveringOnions said:

My question really is, Do you accept people that randomly join the server early on, and just try getting it easy whilst you put in the work in the beginning?

Short or long answer?

Short, yeah.

Long, I had the good fortune to have been introduced into the game by my friend, her fiance and our common friend. Many go into DST with nobody to show them around. YES, I did spend some time perusing the wiki, memorising the cleverest recipes, reading some guides (like the swamp guide and the panic room), but that's just my personal quirk. I like to have more of an in-depth idea of what I'm playing. I assume others just hop right in and then are overwhelmed.

Babysitting newbies can be annoying, but I placate myself thinking this was what my friends did for me and now I'm paying them back. That those noobs making monster lasagna, dying to beefalos and going insane will soon turn into decent, then good, then fantastic players. And I will have fun with them nuking the toadstool. So yes, I think there's a method in this.

Just the day before yesterday, I had May Contain Toads created (yes, Sherlock, you guessed it: to fight Bob the Mycotoad). But the forum folks were not available and the world quickly filled in with randoms. One of whom admitted to being twelve. Another torched a setpiece during DUSK, because they remembered dying to darkness and were scared to death (a bit over nine hours of gameplay on Steam). Then, obviously, the rest accused them of griefing and chanted BAN! BAN! BAN! like the freaking "Lord of the Flies". It took a lot of composure NOT to yield, but my servers are reputable enough BECAUSE I don't ban without proof.

It turned out it wasn't a griefer, but a kid first scared of dying to darkness and THEN actually terrified of the reaction of others. Ignoring my plans to spelunk, I took my time to show them how to actually play the game. And, honest, I swear there have been more stupid things I did in DST than it's needed to fill a phone book. So yeah, allowing newbies on servers takes your mind away from what you originally wanted to do, but it's a decent thing which eventually pays the fandom back.

The others came to admire the fact I didn't listen to their emotional response and took the time to collect evidence. I call this a victory.

[MrFurphie]

3 hours ago, Arlesienne said:

Short or long answer?

Short, yeah.

Long, I had the good fortune to have been introduced into the game by my friend, her fiance and our common friend. Many go into DST with nobody to show them around. YES, I did spend some time perusing the wiki, memorising the cleverest recipes, reading some guides (like the swamp guide and the panic room), but that's just my personal quirk. I like to have more of an in-depth idea of what I'm playing. I assume others just hop right in and then are overwhelmed.

Babysitting newbies can be annoying, but I placate myself thinking this was what my friends did for me and now I'm paying them back. That those noobs making monster lasagna, dying to beefalos and going insane will soon turn into decent, then good, then fantastic players. And I will have fun with them nuking the toadstool. So yes, I think there's a method in this.

Just the day before yesterday, I had May Contain Toads created (yes, Sherlock, you guessed it: to fight Bob the Mycotoad). But the forum folks were not available and the world quickly filled in with randoms. One of whom admitted to being twelve. Another torched a setpiece during DUSK, because they remembered dying to darkness and were scared to death (a bit over nine hours of gameplay on Steam). Then, obviously, the rest accused them of griefing and chanted BAN! BAN! BAN! like the freaking "Lord of the Flies". It took a lot of composure NOT to yield, but my servers are reputable enough BECAUSE I don't ban without proof.

It turned out it wasn't a griefer, but a kid first scared of dying to darkness and THEN actually terrified of the reaction of others. Ignoring my plans to spelunk, I took my time to show them how to actually play the game. And, honest, I swear there have been more stupid things I did in DST than it's needed to fill a phone book. So yeah, allowing newbies on servers takes your mind away from what you originally wanted to do, but it's a decent thing which eventually pays the fandom back.

The others came to admire the fact I didn't listen to their emotional response and took the time to collect evidence. I call this a victory.

 

 

On 9/23/2016 at 10:34 AM, HoveringOnions said:

[About the bee-boxes, I went out that day also to find some more stone, I wanted to do a typical walled off 3 bee boxes with a small doorway and a lightning rod in front of it, so when Autumn comes if we survived that long, they don't come flying towards me being right next to the campfire, which I learned the hard way]

 

EDIT / RANTING ON

 

Adding more fuel onto the fire, (If name dropping isn't allowed I'll fix it), a Wilson player by WhatTheFussy does a robin hood, but for himself. He joins just before winter, and raids iceboxes and eats all the food for himself so people can't survive through winter. I scavenged enough food on the day he was out to survive and because of slower spoilage, I sat there as he tried rummaging to find more stuff to steal whilst going insane because of him not looking after himself.

 

AVOID THIS PLAYER, i'm going to see if the owner of said server can ban him about griefing, there is 2 witnesses and I play that server alot. I don't want to get to winter and have some random eat all my food, then play like he did nothing when people catch on.

 

"Who smashed down my wall and ate out my fridge?" "They dropped marble and broke a wall.. Left one eggplant."

"I don't want to play the blame game, i had a sign saying just ask for food and I would say yes, don't steal"

"WhatTheFussy you're the only one holding a hammer did you break down my wall?"

no response

"I'll take the silence as a yes"

"oh look you are holding a spear now"

a girl on the server

"what the f*ck dude why are you eating all my food"

he says "I didn't know it was yours"

she replies "its my base bud"

 

Griefers and trolls have to act so stupid on purpose which is more annoying then the theft itself. I can recover from the theft, but when they have to act like they don't know what they're doing wrong it just annoys the hell out of me.

 

 

 

On 9/23/2016 at 10:32 AM, HoveringOnions said:

[I don't say I don't like people, I wouldn't play on public servers either, read through this so you understand where I am coming from. Also post your opinions on this if this has happened to you.]

 

So - No one on this server, good, easy start for me day 1 to quickly gather resources. Day 4 comes around, a player joins as Abigail. No big deal, she's actually nice, she doesn't bother me. I find Pig King and build a base near glommer around day 5, and day 6, there is probably 4 more people on the server. I want to make honey for taffy for winter, with Glommer since Deerclops would come for me since I had the most days alive.

 

I come back to my base a few days after day 6 and find the Abigail and one of the next players, who was a WX-78 building chests and putting their loot down and trying to destroy and move my machines.

"This is my base you know"

"oh, it is a really good base"

Thats all I got from them, they just started spurting chests up everywhere, and suddenly I had 2 uninvited guests smashing down my bee boxes because "this isn't a good place to put them"

 

I don't DISLIKE Public Servers, but I hate people who entitled themselves to someone elses base without asking them first. I don't mind someone asking me, I will probably say I'm not sure right now or no. (Most of the time I invite them in if its late autumn since what can they really do for themselves?)

I understand Public Servers are probably revolving around the server working together, but there is a difference between teamwork and players hopping onto the closest base they see to change the owners plans of their base into their own.

I died to a Pig Fortress trying to steal some loot, I couldn't make an umbrella from Pig Skins since they took my last 2 and made football hats. I died of insanity because of the constant rain.

"Could one of you please revive me?"

"i don't know you left base so i don't think i can"

I left shortly after looking around for a Touchstone, couldn't deal with it anymore.

 

My question really is, Do you accept people that randomly join the server early on, and just try getting it easy whilst you put in the work in the beginning? Friends or Friends of Friends as different. They don't "Ask", asking is different. Worse Case Scenario, like with a Willow from 3 days ago, saw me and constantly followed me around going into my Chester and Hutch (an Admin gave me Hutch) and took my tentacle spikes I collected from Merms killing Tentacles day prior. I had to constantly jump in and out of wormholes to get away from her and went insane doing so, for her to then die and ask me to give her a Telltale Heart.

I made friends with a Wigfrid Main because it was Late Autumn and we managed to survive until Day 33 before we both had to leave and someone died on the server later that night.

 

wow... Well, unlike most DST players, I came from the original game, so I know what I was doing. However, there have been countless times where some guy would come on and start pissing me off. He would be following me and dying and using resources and asking for revives. I eventually got sick of it and refused to revive him. Then, out of nowhere, someone random revives him with me shouting not to. He comes back in and it's winter now, great he's stuck at my base. A day later I come back to a burned base, I asked why he burnt it, and he said it was because I was being poisonous. I knew that he meant toxic, as he corrected himself after I was having my rant at him. He then said that people like me shouldn't be playing the game. I was frantically calling for admins, no one came. He got off without any punishment, and I lost my **** (literally and figuratively). So yea, that's my story.

[Tainted-Petals]

Wow, sh*t like this is why I never play (not even once) on public servers.  I will happily just play DST alone or with my spouse rather than deal with these sorts of people.

Honestly I wouldn't even know a 'friendly' server anymore, the way I hear about severe griefers.  Makes playing Halo and other xbox online games a cakewalk.

[Arlesienne]

11 minutes ago, Tainted-Petals said:

Wow, sh*t like this is why I never play (not even once) on public servers.  I will happily just play DST alone or with my spouse rather than deal with these sorts of people.

Honestly I wouldn't even know a 'friendly' server anymore, the way I hear about severe griefers.  Makes playing Halo and other xbox online games a cakewalk.

And now you know what sort of thing I have to put up with: griefers on my servers have become occasional, but explaining to some players why I need evidence of bad behaviour instead of gratuitously hitting BAN is tedious.

[cezarica]

Haven't read all the posts above, but OP you are wrong. Deerclops is by it's nature a boss that prefers to smash your stuff first then kill you, so with this info in mind he will spawn closer to the player that has been last close to multiple structures rather than the player with most days on the server.

[HoveringOnions]

58 minutes ago, cezarica said:

Haven't read all the posts above, but OP you are wrong. Deerclops is by it's nature a boss that prefers to smash your stuff first then kill you, so with this info in mind he will spawn closer to the player that has been last close to multiple structures rather than the player with most days on the server.

I normally join servers on Day 1 autumn and when day 29 comes about, if someone wants to call deerclops (I'd have the most days), they'd ask me to come to the postal to set up a tiny base so we can fight it off. 

I know how the Deerclops operates, hence why I leave my base by day 29 since I havent never experienced him on 1st winter come any earlier, so I'll set up a base away or if someone asks to fight him I'll go to a location to fight him with them. (I always start in Autumn, nor do I set Giants to More since I like enjoying my time playing the game).

 

Logically if you have spent 20 more days on a server than someone else, you're going to have more structures so people would go under the impression that he will always spawn by you because you have the most days, which would typically imply you have a decent base or how would you have survived 20 days longer.. I guess if you can spawn in Touchstones you could die every night to Charlie and have 29 Touchstones ready.. Don't see why you would though.

 

Days have a play in the public server aspect of when someone wants to fight Deerclops, they'd most of the time always call on the person with the most days since they either do think it is days, which I have been now told it isn't, thinks I will have a big base by day 29. I typically have a big base by Day 29 regardless.

[HoveringOnions]

I have always been really nervous to join DST Public Servers, so I'd only play and beg my brother to open up his world for me to play since I had no idea what to experience and didn't want to get banned like 5 minutes in because I did something gamebreaking..

 

I've spent only 70 hours in this game now and I enjoy public servers, and @Arlesienne has also invited me to a very cool server with some nice people, there was a bumpy bit where we were all in panic but he is a very good server owner who doesn't hit the ban hammer when something goes wrong like some server owners would, I love your server and I really like that I met you

 

Regardless, I have broken out of my Don't Starve Together Public Server Anxiety Shell (DSTPSAS, sounds like a bot account name), and enjoy playing them alot now. I try to invite people in for Winter for who joins in Winter, they do I don't know why, but I hate when I get backlashed so hard for trying to be nice.

 

I am a nice person, I wouldn't claim that I am "down to earth", I was always someone who wouldn't even be too nervous to say "No" to someone in an online game because I was so anxious of making them upset with me, I am learning to be more brutally honest and well-spoken towards people about my thoughts, I'm just hoping I don't go too far to a point of no return. I may talk too much or type too much but thats because I try too hard to be friendly and try not go give people the wrong impression about me.

 

imma looving sp00der mun dat lieks 2 weer tup hets

 

[Rellimarual]

The public servers are fine as long as you don't get too attached to anything you do there. They tend to get reset every day as it is. I don't have a ton of experience there, but I've only seen a couple of true griefers. Seems like the real tension is between fairly self-sufficient experienced players and new players who are mostly just screwing around or who treat the more experienced players as their helicopter parents and expect to be provided for in every respect. Those spats remind me so much of how my siblings and I would try to get out of doing our own laundry by whining to our poor mom that we were completely helpless because we "didn't know how"! (I'm assuming a lot of these people are kids who've never had to pay a utility bill.)

I think it's great that some experienced players go on public servers to teach new players about the game. If that's your motivation, then I think it's much easier not to be bothered by their mishaps. If you have some grander scheme, or want to build something ambitious, public servers are just going to aggravate you.

[GentlemanFridge]

Similarly to what Rellimarual said, I don't really mind newbies. As long as they don't leech, which tends to happen fairly often.

Griefers on the other hand... I have no words for how annoying they are. That is one of the main reasons I prefer the solo game over DST.

I do think there should be a system that bans a griefer, if banned from seperate servers multiple times, from the game for, say, a day. That way, the griefer can't do their 'business' one server after the other, while giving them a chance to better themself afterwards. I do see problems with this myself as well, but this is the best I can think of.

 

 

Sorry to be nit-picky, but you said Abigail instead of Wendy... That just annoyed me a bit...

[cezarica]

Like Rellimarual said, sadly if you play in public servers or non-managed (or not that often) then just don't take things on a personal note when you see your stuff taken and base burned. It's just how some people know to pay back for your kindness. Sadly there's not much you can do about it apart reporting them to server admin if he/she reads logs.

Like Arlesienne, I manage my own server and I'm always open to letting new people in, even if that means i see them rummaging our chest, taking food from ice box or see the base base pillaged and burned. Nothing a roll back and a ban can't fix.

[Arlesienne]

4 hours ago, cezarica said:

Like Rellimarual said, sadly if you play in public servers or non-managed (or not that often) then just don't take things on a personal note when you see your stuff taken and base burned. It's just how some people know to pay back for your kindness. Sadly there's not much you can do about it apart reporting them to server admin if he/she reads logs.

Like Arlesienne, I manage my own server and I'm always open to letting new people in, even if that means i see them rummaging our chest, taking food from ice box or see the base base pillaged and burned. Nothing a roll back and a ban can't fix.

Ditto. I actually store logs, especially those from sessions where there were problems, and of course there's the rule that whatever a griefer destroys, if the people agree, we spawn back (if it's something very rare and it's stolen).