S0m3Dud3 Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 is because of mods and then I just found out that you can't pick the character mod you wanted til the server admin allowed the "specific mod".. -_- I hope they implemented it to be "general mod" in the future :v "edit so people can understand and people would not be rude and rage like a kid." this is only for server who allow mods and not in general. a mod option for specific or general mode would be nice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparagus Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 ... No... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0m3Dud3 Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 uh... no what? how can I understand your point with just posting no -_-. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparagus Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 17 minutes ago, S0m3Dud3 said: uh... no what? how can I understand your point with just posting no -_-. I could barely even understand your original post... from what I got from it, you want a mod character of yours to be pickable in a server regardless if the server has it installed or not. If what you said were to be implemented, just imagine the chaos that would create: Make a hyper-OP mod character (1-Punchman for example). Install it client-side... Spawn as Saitama and people die in 1 punch... If that's not what you meant, please expand on your original post... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0m3Dud3 Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 so player can kill another player? sorry I'm a noob. but admin can just kick the troll right? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainChaotica Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Uh, no. If people could have whatever modded characters they want on whatever server they want, people could play as SUPER overpowered, completely unbalanced, theme inappropriate (or even children inappropriate) characters on every server, ever. Regardless of whether or not the person running that server--or the other players--is okay with that. You could totally ruin and take over anyone's game. So...no. Recently on my own server, I had someone who wanted to play a modded character who could 2-hit a tentacle AND had _500 freaking HP_ and NOTHING even _resembling_ a big disadvantage to balance all this, such as an even bigger hunger drain modified than Mighty Wolfgang! There is no freaking way I'm allowing that into my game. I absolutely hate Mary Sues/Gary Stus in stories, let alone in games, and on top of that the character was futuristic, didn't fit the style of the game and the name didn't even begin with W. (No, it wasn't One Punch Man. It looked kind of like a character out of Halo or something?) I said no. I am very, very GLAD I was able to say no. You want to put that kind of thing on everybody's server? Absolutely not! You want to play with a specific mod, you host your own server! That's why I keep playing on MY own server, these days--because I want Willow back as her own self and not everybody has the "Willow the Unnerfed" mod, nor should they be required to. If I want all of my mods exactly as they are, I have to play on my server. What you want would completely bypass everybody's rules. The server admin is in charge, and if they say no, no. That's the way it works for everyone and that's the way it works for you. ...Notorious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0m3Dud3 Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 well if you want your game to be balance just disable the mod in the setting before creating a server :v what do you expect about mods created by random people? it's supposed to be imbalance and that's what makes it fun. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainChaotica Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Uh...you do realise you just contradicted yourself, right? "I want this to be a general mod", meaning every server would let you play that character no matter what the server's rules were, and then you say that the admin can "just disable the mod in the settings". So, which is it? If it's a client-side mod, then you can play that character and the only thing the admin can do about it is kick/ban you. If it's a server-side mod, they can disable it and the "I want to be able to play this character anywhere" thing no longer works. And yes, that's what mods created by random people are like, that's why I DON'T download every single random mod I see! Imbalanced _within reason_ is one thing. If you want to pick a character who is SLIGHTLY tougher or weaker than the others, sure. But one who can kick everyone's butt as soon as look at them is awful. They will take over and own everything, and nobody else will have any chance. That's not fun _for the OTHER players_. It's not fun at all. In PvE you'd wipe out every enemy and take away any sense of challenge or suspense. In PvP...WOW, no. GOD no. You'd just kill everyone instantly. You want that level of easiness? Total power with NO paying for it, no balance, no problem? To be way more powerful than everyone else, to the point where they have no chance? Just friggin' open the console and CHEAT already. Because that's what that kind of character is. Cheating. Sure, if other people want to play the same character and you're all on the same level, fine...but what about those who want to play the normal ones? ...Notorious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0m3Dud3 Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 15 hours ago, CaptainChaotica said: meaning every server would let you play that character no matter what the server's rules were I see! so you didn't understand my post. so that is why you are being furious about it :v. my thread is only about server who allow mods! chill dude no need to be unfriendly :s Spoiler Spoiler Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0m3Dud3 Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 i edited my post a bit. now I would like to hear a related opinion. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 On 08/03/2016 at 11:17 AM, S0m3Dud3 said: I see! so you didn't understand my post. so that is why you are being furious about it :v. my thread is only about server who allow mods! chill dude no need to be unfriendly :s Hide contents Hide contents Notorious is not unfriendly. Your post is confusing, rephrase rather than get defensive. Speaking from a regular host's point of view, while I am perfectly fine with lore-friendly, balanced mods - and my players tend to request them from time to time - having the client pick any mod from the workshop would be madness. Allow me to elaborate. As a host, I have three things to worry about: 1) my players. I want the game to be fun for them. I often play with experienced people and we like more challenge. So mods or LUA editing are both here to provide that. 2) my servers. Mods - like any new code - are prone to bugs. Every time I consider a mod to be added, I carry out extensive tests. I need to control that collection so that mods do not interfere. 3) my resources. Nobody has the great fountain of free bandwidth around. Or hard drive space. Mods eat up both. I need to ensure what is added actually benefits the most if not all of my players. Why am I against client-side character mods? I will call upon the three previous points. 1) An overpowered character is boring and/or unfair to others. The case is ever worse in PVP. Few mods can sensibly be added in that mode. 2) Mods from untrustworthy sources can interfere with or completely break the server if not the entire game. I run multiple popular servers which need to be as close to crash-proof as possible. Imagine anyone could enter as one of the Shipwrecked ports. I have Portable Crockpot added to modded servers as a high-tier, late-game item. And virtually every other port of anything from Shipwrecked crashes with it. 3) My hosting stations would require much more power, bandwith and hard drive space if anyone could just add more characters (and if more characters as client mods, why not make everything client-side? I am purposefully proposing a fallacious offer). Lastly... My age and tastes do matter. I would not like anime kids running around, Donald Trump building walls everywhere (that mod gives sanity buffs from proximity to walls), Gabe Newell, possums, narwhals... All those are actual examples from the workshop. I host for others, but we all need to reach a consensus. I take responsibility for what happens on my servers - to me and to the players. Notorious is the last person to act in an unfriendly manner towards anyone. I do understand her point. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0m3Dud3 Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 finally, a mature post. this is why I edited my post to have a mod option instead.. also I didn't know there is a pvp in this game. I only know the objective is to survive. Quote Notorious is not unfriendly. uhh lol that's not what I see. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparagus Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 4 hours ago, S0m3Dud3 said: "edit so people can understand and people would not be rude and rage like a kid." this is only for server who allow mods and not in general. a mod option for specific or general mode would be nice. ... Still not clear I'm afraid... 4 hours ago, S0m3Dud3 said: is because of mods and then I just found out that you can't pick the character mod you wanted til the server admin allowed the "specific mod".. -_- When you have a mod on a server... it's like you're adding stuff into the game. If the server was created without the mod installed, then the server wouldn't load it. Now, you said "can't pick the character mod you wanted till the server allowed the specific mod". Are you saying you, the client, would like to install a mod in the host server so you can use a character? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0m3Dud3 Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 I apologize if I'm hard to understand. english is not my native language. Quote Are you saying you, the client, would like to install a mod in the host server so you can use a character? yes, but only if the option to do it is enabled. since mods are uploaded in the workshop I think there is a way to do them. just don't ask me how xD. the purpose is just to mess around, show mods that you created, and just have fun and not being serious with the game. I'm sure some people would enjoy that as well. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanAzej Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, S0m3Dud3 said: I apologize if I'm hard to understand. english is not my native language. yes, but only if the option to do it is enabled. since mods are uploaded in the workshop I think there is a way to do them. just don't ask me how xD. the purpose is just to mess around, show mods that you created, and just have fun and not being serious with the game. I'm sure some people would enjoy that as well. [A person joined the game] Everybody lags~ Also there's a load of mods that can't be really loaded without a restart. Your option would have to be really specific. And what about people who install 100+ mods, lol. "Host crashed, because there's no enough disk space" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0m3Dud3 Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 well like I said its just for messing around and having fun when you got bored of being serious with the game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanAzej Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 7 minutes ago, S0m3Dud3 said: well like I said its just for messing around and having fun when you got bored of being serious with the game. Wouldn't it be easier to just find a few guys that want to play with you, talk about what mods you want to install and then, well, make a server yourself and play with them? Way better and easier than developing a brand new function to the game... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparagus Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 8 minutes ago, S0m3Dud3 said: well like I said its just for messing around and having fun when you got bored of being serious with the game. and also, again, we are stating that having that would be disadvantageous as it would-- wait... 21 minutes ago, S0m3Dud3 said: yes, but only if the option to do it is enabled. So what you're saying is that there would be an option that would allow the host to enable clients to download, and install the mods that they want into the server? You see, this would be risky... in certain ways... what if the mod is buggy and the player who had it installed was trolling... the moment the server loaded it, it crashed the server and could have even corrupted the save-file/sever or something to that effect... [new post by PanAzej] ... Yeah, what he said... tee hee... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0m3Dud3 Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 15 hours ago, PanAzej said: Wouldn't it be easier to just find a few guys that want to play with you, talk about what mods you want to install and then, well, make a server yourself and play with them? Way better and easier than developing a brand new function to the game... well sadly my friends is not interested in this game nor would buy it. they are the type of people who play mainstream games. e.g: dota2, csgo, league of legends etc. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparagus Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, S0m3Dud3 said: well sadly my friends is not interested in this game nor would buy it. they are the type of people who play mainstream games. e.g: dota2, csgo, league of legends etc. I feel your pain... one friend even had me use his steam account, put some steam money in his steam account so he could level up and add friends to play dota with... I gifted myself the games I spent on that account anyway... wanted to gift him DST but nope... Dota :T (I had him change his password and I used steam wallet codes so it's fine...) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanAzej Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 13 minutes ago, Asparagus said: and also, again, we are stating that having that would be disadvantageous as it would-- wait... So what you're saying is that there would be an option that would allow the host to enable clients to download, and install the mods that they want into the server? You see, this would be risky... in certain ways... what if the mod is buggy and the player who had it installed was trolling... the moment the server loaded it, it crashed the server and could have even corrupted the save-file/sever or something to that effect... [new post by PanAzej] ... Yeah, what he said... tee hee... Yup, also that. Anybody can make a mod. I could just make a mod that gives everybody a huge sanity drain. I can force you to download it this way. I can even kill you while joining using that, lol. Also buggy mods. I could simply crash your game. Of course we could make an 'approved' list of mods in the workshop, make a new function for the game that supports client-server mod downloads, make lots of workarounds... And it would be just an option in the menu that isn't even enabled by default. What's the point? 10 minutes ago, S0m3Dud3 said: well sadly my friends is not interested in this game nor would buy it. they are the type of people who play mainstream games. e.g: dota2, csgo, league of legends etc. Go to public servers, join some people's private (not that private, I mean, the ones that can be joined but aren't dedicated) servers. You can make friends in this game. I made a lot at least. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparagus Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, PanAzej said: Go to public servers, join some people's private servers. You can make friends in this game. I made a lot at least. yep... 95% of my steam friends are from the forums and people I meet in public DST servers <3 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Run your own server and install any mod you want. Click on "Host Game", enable the mods you want and start the game! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0m3Dud3 Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 well I would love to join your servers guys and make friends there instead xD Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparagus Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, S0m3Dud3 said: well I would love to join your servers too guys daww... :3 ... Go join Klei's Public Servers O__O Your first challenge: Survive the Lag O__O Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/69313-the-reason-why-im-i-bought-dst/#findComment-800092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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