Wilbur the Vegetarian

[HeilerderWelten]

Hi fellow Forum Members and demigods of Klei and Capy. ^__^

As we all know Wilbur is the king of the Prime Apes in SW and he pretty much acts like them.

- he can poop like them

- he can throw poop like them

- he can run like them

- he has the same health like them (125)

- he loves bananas like them

- he "talks" like them

..but there is 1 major problem! Wilbur doesn't eat like the Prime Apes.

The Prime Apes eat only fruits and vegetables, but no meat, Wilbur on the other hand can eat everything, like almost all characters in DS.

In my opinion that would be a great opportunity to get finally a Vegetarian character and a counterpart to Wigfrid in Don't Starve.

 

I played Wilbur now for 141 days as a Vegetarian

(I just fed my monster meat, eggs, fish, crabs, morsel, etc. to my Pig, I call him Mister Moe...and I really love him ^__^)

and it was quiet a challenge, but really really fun, I actually almost starved 3 or 4 times in ages! (I couldn't get a Dragon Fruit until day 40)

 

Because of his ablility to poop and his special relationship to the pooping Prime Apes, he is an incredible potent farmer.

He can also catch a living bird for his birdcage, after he has thrown poop at it. (so he doesn't need silk or a birdtrap to catch a bird)

 

What do you guys and ladys think about that?

I know apes and monkeys eat meat in real life, but the Don't Starve Prime Apes and Monkeys don't eat any meat,

I would find it quiet fitting if there king, would also be a Vegetarian, that would give him a diffrent playstyle,

than most of the other DS chars, with the exception of Wigfrid. (that beeing said almost all DS players only feed there characters: meatballs, bacon and eggs, honey ham and meaty stew, so pretty much all meat food items)

 

Let me know what do you think. (please do it for Winnie ^__^)

 

Edit 1:

Don't forget that crops grow faster when it rains (like in hurricane and monsoon season) and we can grow crops in all 4 seasons now!

We can also use the Dripple Pipes to make it rain, even in calm- and dry season!

So a Vegetarian character is even more suited for SW.

 

Edit 2:

If we are all honest, he pretty much plays like Wilson now or, Willow or Walani.

From a gameplay perspective there is not much difference in him beeing a monkey/prime ape at the moment.

He has the perk that prime apes throw items to him (like everyone else has, if they use just 1 banana), he can craft a Prime Ape Hut like every other character can, he has the same damage mulitplier, he can use all items, science and magic like humans and he eats the same stuff like everyone else.

In which way plays Wilbur unique?

Because of the 10 sanity when he eats a banana?

Because he runs slower and after 3 seconds he runs a bit faster than Wilson?

I just want to know why do you think Wilbur is an unique non human character like:

Webber - is a monster (pigs, catcoons, etc hate him), he can eat monster meat without penalty, spiders like him, he can craft a spider den

WX - gets damaged by rain, can eat spoiled food (robots don't care), he heals and upgrades with gears, he attracts lightning strikes

Woody - has to eat logs in his beaver form, can't eat normal food, has nightvision, chops trees faster, can't wear items as a beaver

Wilbur - ?

Diversity is a very important thing for a character.

Diversity make the game more fun to play and we talk about a Vegetarian character since we heard about Winnie.

In Wilburs case we could get a natural Vegetarian, not because he dislikes meat, (like Wigfrid dislikes fruits and vegetables, because of her warrior status) because the apes and monkeys in the Don't Starve world don't eat meat.

Like the Rocklobsters and Moleworms only eat minerals, like the Merms only eat vegetables and fruits, like the Dragonfly only eats ash.

There is no reason why we should judge a creature (monkey, ape) like we would in reality, if the creature doesn't eat meat in the Don't Starve lore, no part of that species (Wilbur) should eat meat either.

That keeps the game lore consistent, that brings diversity to the game and that brings natural challenge.

 

Edit: 3

Possible changes to Wilburs perks to make him more unique:

1. He is like his Prime Ape subjects a Vegetarian and can't eat meat items. (he can't eat everything that Wigfrid CAN eat)

2. He gets a plus 10 sanity bonus from Banana Pop, like he does from normal and cooked bananas now.

3. His frequency to produce poop gets increased (maybe every 1-2 days or every time his stomach is full enough)

4. He can speak very simple words, if he wears the Brain of Thought. (like: "danger", "hunger", "wet", "hurt")

5. He starts with 1-2 bananas. (he could befriend Prime Apes very early on to fight for him, like webber can with his spiders or he just eats the bananas like Wigfrid can eat her starting meat, to make the start a little bit easier, if you are very unlucky with your first few islands)

6. He can craft a Prime Ape Hut right from the start, he shouldn't need an Alchemy Engine for that.

7. At the moment every other character can also use Wilburs "special "Prime Ape friendship perk,

that all apes throw picked up items to them.

Just feed 1 single banana to 1 random Prime Ape and all other 20 Primes Apes throw there complete inventory to Wilson, Willow, Walani, etc.

It would be enough, if only the Prime Ape that got the banana throws his inventory to you,

there is no reason why anybody can "steal" Wilburs perk, that would also give King Wilbur a bigger advantage with his Prime Ape subjects, compared to all non ape/monkey characters.

[DeputyDeath]

Wilbur's perks aren't based around being a vegetarian though. They're based around being a monkey. 

Making him a vegetarian would be too much of a nerf in my opinion, for a character that can't kite enemies very effectively.

[GiddyGuy]

I think this would be a great downside to Wilbur because in shipwrecked since all of the seasons let gardens work(just need a flingo in dry season)

and honestly would not be that bad of a downside in my opinion cause I'll always have meat for a hambat, and dragonfruit for dragon pies is pretty easy to produce.

Edit: Wilbur x Winnie art pls.

[HeilerderWelten]

2 hours ago, DeputyDeath said:

Wilbur's perks aren't based around being a vegetarian though. They're based around being a monkey. 

Making him a vegetarian would be too much of a nerf in my opinion, for a character that can't kite enemies very effectively.

Raising the poop rate would be an option, that beeing said, even as he is now he works good enough to survive over 100 days as a vegetarian.

[Machine Reaper]

making someone a vegetarian is very dangerous...I recommend Wes as the candidate...he won't mime about it...

[HeilerderWelten]

5 minutes ago, SepiaPaper said:

making someone a vegetarian is very dangerous...I recommend Wes as the candidate...he won't mime about it...

hehe ^__^

[stl1234]

Don't forget that the prime apes that he depends on will pick and eat all fruits and vegetables, including those grown on farms. So this won't only add more challenge, but also limits some benefits as well.

[HeilerderWelten]

43 minutes ago, stl1234 said:

Don't forget that the prime apes that he depends on will pick and eat all fruits and vegetables, including those grown on farms. So this won't only add more challenge, but also limits some benefits as well.

I have a chest with a silly monkey ball in it. (the prime apes never leave the chest and they fight against my hound waves)

And I have a twig and gras farm with walled in prime apes. (they also never leave there stone wall prison)

So I actually have never seen a monkey steal my crops, that beeing said, I see no reason to have "free" prime apes on my island.

A good point stl123, but it doesn't changes that much for me.

If you want free prime apes on your island, you could just wall in your farms and berry bushes...

so there would be another decent use for walls.

[DeputyDeath]

This is like saying that Wickerbottom can only eat fish sticks because that's her favourite food. Or Webber has 100 health, can be stunlocked by basically anything and has a lower movement speed because he's part spider. 

What I'm trying to say is, this suggestion is based on an arbitrary character trait and basically suggests that Wilbur should just be unnecessarily crap. Not crap like Wes, as he's supposed to be used for a challenge only, but crap like Woodie in Shipwrecked.

Didn't you learn from Jurassic Park, guys? You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could make Wilbur a vegetarian that you didn't stop to think if you should!

Besides, even Wolfgang could survive being a vegetarian. You just eat honey, dragon pie and berries. Omnivores in general are supposed to eat mostly plant matter too, because meat is a much less efficient source of energy. Which is why there are many, many rabbits and comparatively few foxes around.

[HeilerderWelten]

26 minutes ago, DeputyDeath said:

This suggestion is based on an arbitrary character trait and basically suggests that Wilbur should just be unnecessarily crap. Not crap like Wes, as he's supposed to be used for a challenge only, but crap like Woodie in Shipwrecked.

Webber is a boy in a spider, he can eat monster meat without a penalty, like spiders can.

Woody is a Werebeaver, that eats logs, like a "were"beaver.

WX is a robot and heals himself with gears, like broken clockworks do.

How is that an arbitary character trait? It is lore consistency!

Merms don't eat meat in DS, Moleworms don't eat meat in DS and

Apes also don't eat meat in DS...why should Wilbur eat meat, there is no reason for that?

It is like a Beefalo Character that can eat monster meat or a Hound Character that can eat gras.

 

Besides of that, I don't see how he becomes crap by not eating meat, there are so much fruits and vegetables in the game, it will bring more food diversity to the character, especially in the first 20 days.

There would be an actual reason for a character to not eat meatballs, bacon and eggs, honey ham or meaty stew. There are a ton of diffrent crockpot recipes that no one cooks and pretty much all of them are fruit and vegetable recipes.

[Serph]

2 minutes ago, HeilerderWelten said:

Webber is a boy in a spider, he can eat monster meat without a penalty, like spiders can.

WX is a robot and can eat gears, like broken clockworks can.

How is that an arbitary character trait? It is lore consistency!

Merms don't eat meat in DS, Moleworms don't eat meat in DS and Apes also don't eat meat in DS...why should Wilbur eat meat?

Besides of that, I don't see how he becomes crap by not eating meat, there are so much fruits and vegetables in the game, it will bring more diversity to the diffrent character playstyles and that is a nice thing.

Because Wilbur isn't a prime ape, he is just a normal monkey. All of your examples are magical creatures that follow their own biological rules. You even said:

9 hours ago, HeilerderWelten said:

 

 

 

I know apes and monkeys eat meat in real life, but the Don't Starve Prime Apes don't eat any meat,

 

monkeys in real life =/= prime apes

[AnonymousKoala]

Wilbur originally wasn't a prime ape. But in SW when he left development(hell), he became the Monkey King. what monkeys, specifically? Prime Apes.

If that doesn't mean he's one of them, I don't know what does.

IMO vegaterian isnt such a huge disadventage though. You pretty much just miss on some good crock pot recipes. Thaaat's it. 

[Serph]

He was never a prime ape, he is a normal spider monkey and becoming king of primapes didn't change his species (he looks nothing like them unlike Webber with spiders). They don't help Wilbur because he "became the Monkey King", they help because Wilbur is wearing a plastic crown and prime apes are dumb enough to think that makes him special.

I get the idea of vegetarianism but Wilbur is already a funny and balanced character, there is no need to give him a weakness like this.

[mitboy]

Being vegetarian is a huge downside not only in balance, but also in gameplay. Such limitations is using game's content would make (At least me) completelly hate such character. For the same reason I hate Wigfrid. 

[voyager156]

Wilbur is one of my favourite characters. If he would became vegetarian - I don't think, I would play with him much...

[HeilerderWelten]

2 hours ago, voyager156 said:

Wilbur is one of my favourite characters. If he would became vegetarian - I don't think, I would play with him much...

Would it be such a horrible game changer for you to not eat meat balls, bacon and eggs or honey ham?

I personally played him for a long time as a vegetarian and it was a lot of fun, to rethink his playstyle.

If we are all honest, he pretty much plays like Wilson now or, Willow or Walani.

From a gameplay perspective there is not much diffrence in him beeing a monkey/prime ape at the moment. He has the perk that prime apes throw items to him (like everyone else has, if they use just 1 banana), he can craft an ape den like every other char, he has the same damage mulitplier, he can use all items, science and magic like humans and he eats the same stuff like everyone else.

In which way do you think he plays unique?

Because of the 10 sanity when he eats a banana?

Because he runs slower and after 3 seconds he runs a bit faster than Wilson?

I don't try to bash you here voyager156, I just want to know why you think he is an unique non human character like:

Webber - is a monster (pigs, catcoons, etc hate him), he can eat monster meat without penalty, spiders like him, he can craft a spider den

WX - gets damaged by rain, can eat spoiled food (robots don't care), he heals and upgrades with gears, he attracts lightning strikes

Woody - has to eat logs in his beaver form, can't eat normal food, has nightvision, chops trees faster, can't wear items as a beaver

Wilbur - ?

[DeputyDeath]

6 hours ago, AnonymousKoala said:

Wilbur originally wasn't a prime ape. But in SW when he left development(hell), he became the Monkey King. what monkeys, specifically? Prime Apes.

If that doesn't mean he's one of them, I don't know what does.

IMO vegaterian isnt such a huge disadventage though. You pretty much just miss on some good crock pot recipes. Thaaat's it. 

Maybe the prime apes are too stupid to notice the difference.

Hell, Wilbur and prime apes don't even look the same.

[HeilerderWelten]

18 minutes ago, DeputyDeath said:

Maybe the prime apes are too stupid to notice the difference.

Hell, Wilbur and prime apes don't even look the same.

Webber and spiders don't look the same,

WX and clock works don't look the same either,

but they share a lot of there traits and that makes them interesting and unique characters.

At the moment there is not much to Wilbur that makes him unique, the only thing is his running speed

(even Wolfgang has diffrent running speeds when wimpy and mighty)

all of his other perks are so minor at the moment, that he is basicly Wilson with less sanity and without his magnifecent beard.

[ThaumicParrot]

But if Wilbur is a prime ape, shouldn't he evolve from mankey and be able to use vital spirit?

[AnonymousKoala]

18 minutes ago, HeilerderWelten said:

Webber and spiders don't look the same,

WX and clock works don't look the same either,

but they share a lot of there traits and that makes them interesting and unique characters.

At the moment there is not much to Wilbur that makes him unique, the only thing is his running speed

(even Wolfgang has diffrent running speeds when wimpy and mighty)

all of his other perks are so minor at the moment, that he is basicly Wilson with less sanity and without his magnifecent beard.

Webber is accepted by the spiders because he shares enough similarity, so as long as he doesn't attack anyone, they're ready to not notice the fact he's bipedal(There's also how their queen is much larger than him, so maybe they see his size as if it was normal?).

WX is not exactly a clockwork, but I think its because he has a sentient will and isn't there to protect something.

Woodie is a beaver physically(despite not swimming in SW :/), and his gameplay shows that.

Wilbur is the Prime Ape King, they don't steal from him, they're neutral to him, and they throw **** at him as if they were praising him. The problem is...WX requires gears and lightnings(Like a clockwork. Makes sense). Webber requires spiders(He is a spider after all). Woodie requires wood(Beaver. Again, makes sense).

Wilbur doesn't require anything. Prime Apes are just a benefit, not a requirement. Bananas? As a monkey, its ironic that bananas are still not that useful for him.

When a supposedly unique character doesn't require anything, doesn't spice up the playstyle that much...Its not unique. I'm not a fan of Warly or Walani, but as you can hear from people who are, Warly has to find food and keep traveling, not just stay in one comfortable place. Walani's surfing allows you to explore much more much earlier than others. All the base game characters change your playstyle too.

 

[Machine Reaper]

meanwhile:

[HeilerderWelten]

11 minutes ago, AnonymousKoala said:

Webber is accepted by the spiders because he shares enough similarity, so as long as he doesn't attack anyone, they're ready to not notice the fact he's bipedal(There's also how their queen is much larger than him, so maybe they see his size as if it was normal?).

WX is not exactly a clockwork, but I think its because he has a sentient will and isn't there to protect something.

Woodie is a beaver physically(despite not swimming in SW :/), and his gameplay shows that.

Wilbur is the Prime Ape King, they don't steal from him, they're neutral to him, and they throw **** at him as if they were praising him. The problem is...WX requires gears and lightnings(Like a clockwork. Makes sense). Webber requires spiders(He is a spider after all). Woodie requires wood(Beaver. Again, makes sense).

Wilbur doesn't require anything. Prime Apes are just a benefit, not a requirement. Bananas? As a monkey, its ironic that bananas are still not that useful for him.

When a supposedly unique character doesn't require anything, doesn't spice up the playstyle that much...Its not unique. I'm not a fan of Warly or Walani, but as you can hear from people who are, Warly has to find food and keep traveling, not just stay in one comfortable place. Walani's surfing allows you to explore much more much earlier than others. All the base game characters change your playstyle too.

 

Possible changes to Wilburs perks to make him more unique:

1. He is like his Prime Ape subjects a Vegetarian and can't eat meat items. (he can't eat everything that Wigfrid CAN eat)

2. He gets a plus 10 sanity bonus from Banana Pop, like he does from normal and cooked bananas now.

3. His frequency to produce poop gets increased (maybe every 1-2 days or every time his stomach is full enough)

4. He can speak very simple words, if he wears the Brain of Thought. (like: "danger", "hunger", "wet", "hurt")

5. He starts with 1-2 bananas. (he could befriend Prime Apes very early on to fight for him, like webber can with his spiders or he just eats the bananas like Wigfrid can eat her starting meat, to make the start a little bit easier, if you are very unlucky with your first few islands)

Also, in my opinion it is way to good for a character to get all of your stolen items back (from all prime apes),

just by feeding 1 banana to 1 random prime ape.

It would make more sense if only the prime ape that got the banana gives you all your stuff back and not all 20 of them.

That would also make Wilburs constant prime ape friendship way more useful, than it is at the moment. (because now all other characters just use Wilburs "special" perk with just 1 banana)

[AnonymousKoala]

1 minute ago, HeilerderWelten said:

Possible changes to Wilburs perks to make him more unique:

1. He is like his Prime Ape subjects a Vegetarian and can't eat meat items. (he can't eat everything that Wigfrid CAN eat)

2. He gets a plus 10 sanity bonus from Banana Pop, like he does from normal and cooked bananas now.

3. His frequency to produce poop gets increased (maybe every 1-2 days or every time his stomach is full enough)

4. He can speak very simple words, if he wears the Brain of Thought. (like: "danger", "hunger", "wet", "hurt")

5. He starts with 1-2 bananas. (he could befriend Prime Apes very early on to fight for him, like webber can with his spiders or he just eats the bananas like Wigfrid can eat her starting meat, to make the start a little bit easier, if you are very unlucky with your first few islands)

Also, in my opinion it is way to good for a character to get all of your stolen items back (from all prime apes),

just by feeding 1 banana to 1 random prime ape.

It would make more sense if only the prime ape that got the banana gives you all your stuff back and not all 20 of them.

That would also make Wilburs constant prime ape friendship way more useful, than it is at the moment.

I find being a vegeterian not that game changing though. Because non meat food is just more abundant. You're essentially just missing out on good Crock Pot stuff like Meatballs and Pierogi, etc. Nothing more.

2. Bananas need to help him even more though I think. Maybe even just an increase to 15 or something like that.

3. btw how much damage does his poop does when thrown?

4. Maybe even without the brain of thought? He can sort of say  "Bananas"(Nanas! his only real line), so he might be able to say some words? (I do like the brain of thought idea though. Wish it would have increased the intelligence of the others too though).

Getting all your stuff back makes sense(Prime Apes just want food, so when you bribe one they instantly think "hey this guy gives bananas to the ones he likes. Lets be nice to him"), but they should "praise" Wilbur more. As in, protect him when he's attacked, give him everything they find, attack whoever he attacks, etc.

As an added disadventage though, if you harm a monkey he can lose some sanity, making bananas even more needed.

 

Also be able to make the Prime Ape Hut from the start. 

[HeilerderWelten]

20 minutes ago, AnonymousKoala said:

I find being a vegeterian not that game changing though. Because non meat food is just more abundant. You're essentially just missing out on good Crock Pot stuff like Meatballs and Pierogi, etc. Nothing more.

2. Bananas need to help him even more though I think. Maybe even just an increase to 15 or something like that.

3. btw how much damage does his poop does when thrown?

4. Maybe even without the brain of thought? He can sort of say  "Bananas"(Nanas! his only real line), so he might be able to say some words? (I do like the brain of thought idea though. Wish it would have increased the intelligence of the others too though).

Getting all your stuff back makes sense(Prime Apes just want food, so when you bribe one they instantly think "hey this guy gives bananas to the ones he likes. Lets be nice to him"), but they should "praise" Wilbur more. As in, protect him when he's attacked, give him everything they find, attack whoever he attacks, etc.

As an added disadventage though, if you harm a monkey he can lose some sanity, making bananas even more needed.

 

Also be able to make the Prime Ape Hut from the start. 

1. It does mix things up a bit, like building your base next to a swamp with Fishermerm houses gets way less usefuel (you can't utilize that fish very well) also monster meat from spiders and snakes gets also way less important (you could feed it to pigs, to get material for hambats or football helmets or to chop trees with them) you could also transform the meat to eggs to get rotten eggs for gunpowder, but in my opinion almost completly rely on farms, berry bushes, sea weed and shrooms would change a lot of playstyles. (almost everyone relies on bacon and eggs, honey ham, meatballs or meaty stew to fill there hunger in Don't Starve)

2. Yeah something like that, it is more or less his trait food item.

3. 10 damage, very good to catch birds or aggro creatures that run away. (it is an interesting little perk)

4. It would be a fun little buff to the Brain of Thought lore wise, it would also give Wilbur an extra bonus to wear it (if the player has problems with his surroundings)

I like your idea that he looses sanity if he harms his prime ape subjects directly, that is a good thought.

I also like the Prime Ape Hut idea without an Alchemy Engine.

41 minutes ago, ThaumicParrot said:

But if Wilbur is a prime ape, shouldn't he evolve from mankey and be able to use vital spirit?

That would be to OP. ^^

Just imagine he uses Cross Chop on the Tiger Shark, he would spilt the tiger from the shark part with that move. ^__^

[AnonymousKoala]

Just now, HeilerderWelten said:

1. It does mix things up a bit, like building your base next to a swamp with Fishermerm houses gets way less usefuel (you can't utilize that fish very well) also monster meat from spiders and snakes gets also way less important (you could feed it to pigs, to get material for hambats or football helmets or to chop trees with them) you could also transform the meat to eggs to get rotten eggs for gunpowder, but in my opinion almost completly rely on farms, berry bushes, sea weed and shrooms would change a lot of playstyles. (almost everyone relies on bacon and eggs, honey ham, meatballs or meaty stew to fill there hunger in Don't Starve)

2. Yeah something like that, it is more or less his trait food item.

3. 10 damage, very good to catch birds or aggro creatures that run away. (it is an interesting little perk)

4. It would be a fun little buff to the Brain of Thought lore wise, it would also give Wilbur an extra bonus to wear it (if the player has problems with his surroundings)

I like your idea that he looses sanity if he harms his prime ape subjects directly, that is a good thought.

 

1.Oooh right, good point on that. It also means that withering in summer is gonna be quite the challange for you.

2. Its like how as Webber, being able to eat monster meat is HUGE, as it lets you actually use a food source so abundant, without mixing it with others. Sure it still doesnt restore more than just hunger, and not even that much hunger, but its abundant and easy to get, so its still worth it.

I feel like the prime apes should truly worship/praise him. After all, he's not just another one of them like Webber with spiders. He's their ruler. They already sort of praise him, but it's just so small of an adventage that...it doesn't really matter that much.