Warly OP

[EmilioEstevez]

Now this is coming from somebody whose new favorite character is Warly. He is BASED.

BUT, I think he's a little too OP right now. I think his chef pouch shouldn't be 8 slots but back to 6 instead. Right now his pouch is pretty much better than two backpack items (one new) that function the same way, but are way more difficult to get as you need boss items.

What do you guys think?

[SapphireBullets]

As is, Warly needs more inventory space to carry a variety of ingredients/crock pot foods to compensate for his need for variety.

Before his pouch upgrade I would normally just make a backpack instead, since I'm a hoarder.

Maybe his hunger drain could be greater or his variety penaly could be more pronounced.

[Serph]

I also think his pouch is too good but let's be honest, there is no way to make it balanced. If it's 4 slots, everyone would rather pick a normal backpack, if it's 6+ losts then it makes Insulated Pack useless. I still think they should give it 4 or 6 slots but make it a hat instead. That way it's not competing directly with other backpacks.


 

[NotStarvnMarvn]

2 minutes ago, Serph said:

I also think his pouch is too good but let's be honest, there is no way to make it balanced. If it's 4 slots, everyone would rather pick a normal backpack, if it's 6+ losts then it makes Insulated Pack useless. I still think they should give it 4 or 6 slots but make it a hat instead. That way it's not competing directly with other backpacks.


 

Then you would have backpacks AND pouches, thus making Warly even more OP.

[Serph]

Just now, Dylan738 said:

Then you would have backpacks AND pouches, thus making Warly even more OP.

Even more OP how? Warly is not overpowered, he is convenient. Unlike other characters he is forced to carry multiple food items, and the head slot will be competing with a bunch of other utility hats that people already use to not give up their backpack (Top Hat, Football, Tam, etc)

[NotStarvnMarvn]

Just now, Serph said:

Even more OP how? Warly is not overpowered, he is convenient. Unlike other characters he is forced to carry multiple food items, and the head slot will be competing with a bunch of other utility hats that people already use to not give up their backpack (Top Hat, Football, Tam, etc)

8 backpack slots + 6 pouch spots (along with your inventory in general) is OP. Warly is fine right now, in my opinion. And when I said "even more OP" I ment: Then he would be OP.

[Serph]

That's not what overpowered means. Carrying 4-6 more things won't suddendly make Warly superior than everyone at combat / stats / perks. Anyone can manage hunger easily, Warly only real advantage over the others is the convenience of cooking anywhere. If he had more slots, he would be a much better nomad and still even close to good as max upgrade WX, Wicker books or Wigfrid bonus atk/def/drain. 

[NotStarvnMarvn]

51 minutes ago, Serph said:

That's not what overpowered means. Carrying 4-6 more things won't suddendly make Warly superior than everyone at combat / stats / perks. Anyone can manage hunger easily, Warly only real advantage over the others is the convenience of cooking anywhere. If he had more slots, he would be a much better nomad and still even close to good as max upgrade WX, Wicker books or Wigfrid bonus atk/def/drain.

Well, I can't change your mind on this topic then, Warly is a character that is kind of a preference rather than a important one. Some people think he is really good, some people think "meh".

[Toroic]

On March 1, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Dylan738 said:

Well, I can't change your mind on this topic then, Warly is a character that is kind of a preference rather than a important one. Some people think he is really good, some people think "meh".

It's really quite simple:

 

If you believe Warly is OP, then you are wrong.

 

There is not really room for discussion on it, because in terms of unique utility and ease of survival he is worse than wilson.  He has a crockpot which is nice until you get a crockpot and his spice pack which is nice until you get a fridge.

 

After that point, he just eats more food than other people, has no unique skills that help survival, and his custom recipes aren't competitive with the standard ones.

 

WX, Wickerbottom, Wolfgang, Woodlegs, Wilbur, Wigfrid, and Webber are better than Warly, objectively, in their ability to survive in RoG or SW.

 

How can a character who is worse than wilson possibly be OP, let alone one that is worse than at least half the cast?

[mitboy]

8 hours ago, Toros said:

It's really quite simple:

 

If you believe Warly is OP, then you are wrong.

This. Even Walani has ability to dry off quickly, which is still useful in lategame.

[YumoS]

how on earth is he op? i mean he has no special ability in combat. he is totally normal and his poach is perfectly fitting for a mobile crock pot.

[NoQuitting]

Warly should remember every single unique recipe he eats instead of just the last recipe forcing you to make every possible recipe in the game. For every new recipe he eats it should permanently add 1 to all of his stats.

[voyager156]

4 minutes ago, NoQuitting said:

For every new recipe he eats it should permanently add 1 to all of his stats.

Hmm interesting - but I liked more unique-food-that-gives-buff idea

[NoQuitting]

Just now, voyager156 said:

Hmm interesting - but I liked more unique-food-that-gives-buff idea

Why not both. Every single new recipe he eats acts like gears for WX-78 so he gets the buff but of course only a permanent 1 stat boost per unique recipe. This will make him a Chef who is determined to try everything.

[DeputyDeath]

20 hours ago, Toros said:

It's really quite simple:

 

If you believe Warly is OP, then you are wrong.

 

There is not really room for discussion on it, because in terms of unique utility and ease of survival he is worse than wilson.  He has a crockpot which is nice until you get a crockpot and his spice pack which is nice until you get a fridge.

 

After that point, he just eats more food than other people, has no unique skills that help survival, and his custom recipes aren't competitive with the standard ones.

 

WX, Wickerbottom, Wolfgang, Woodlegs, Wilbur, Wigfrid, and Webber are better than Warly, objectively, in their ability to survive in RoG or SW.

 

How can a character who is worse than wilson possibly be OP, let alone one that is worse than at least half the cast?

Although I always heavily disagree with people who seem to say that Wilson is better than everyone, this is a well reasoned argument.

The point of Wilson is that he has no special abilities to aid his survival (except a tad extra insulation) BUT can recover from death easily. That's not particularly amazing, because you shouldn't even be dying if you played as Wolfgang or WX-78 instead.

I must agree that Warly is only realistically effective in early game. But, that can be said for pretty much any character except WX-78, Wolfgang and arguably Wilbur, Wigfrid and Webber. Most of the characters' traits become an inconvenience - or at least not worth the character's weaknesses - with no real benefit late game (e.g. werebeaver, Abigail) when you have enough resources to deal with the problems without. This is why Lucy the axe sat in my chest for a good 80 days or so on my Woodie world, and why Maxwell seems useless once you have pigs and a tam-o-shanter.

So having a portable crock pot is pretty cool in my opinion. It allows you to live like a true nomad without having to eat a ton of raw ingredients every day. Sure, it's never going to be as good as a base. But I really don't think that living in a base was the point of Warly in the first place, as they would've given him more passive buffs - rather than a portable replacement for an otherwise static and practically essential structure - if that was the case. At least the portable crock pot could actually be useful late-game when exploring, which is the polar opposite of werebeaver mode and pigs automatically being aggressive towards you.

 

[voyager156]

I wasn't posting my opinions on this topic earlier, because I wasn't playing Warly much. Since then I played him few times and in my opinion he definitely isn't OP.

His backpack is really good, crockpot is useful yes - but he needs them not to be weaker than other characters! In fact, I think he is underpowered... This items just cover his vices - nothing more.

They should make his special recipes give him buffs, as was suggested on this forum earlier.

[PhelsarusBeel]

After reading the Title this is my first reaction

Really you think Warly is OP? Sorry but that's just plain wrong.

What does he got for upsides? A protable Crockpot, a decendly sized Backpack with Icebox function and a slightly increased statgain from eating Crockpot foods.

What are his downsides? He looses Hunger faster then most chars heck the only one who looses hunger faster is Wolfgang a character meant to need a lot of food to sustain his special ability. Also he gains less stats from non crockpot foods what is pretty bad in other circumstances.

As others said Warlys perks only mitigtate his downsides all you really have is a selfsustaining character that has to collect a bunch of food to just not starve. And if you think that not being asble to easily starve is OP then you good sir haven't played enought of the game. Despite the title you will almost never die of starvation because if you know how to you can amass so much food you'r barely have to lift a finger to get feed for a day.

Otherwise he's just boring he has to deal with combat the same way that Wilson has to deal with it. He still has to collect food and other ressources like everyone else. He has nothing that otherwise helps him actually survive the actually challenging stuff and those are Monsters and Giants and Warly basicly has to deal with them in the same vein Wilson has to.

[orangepie86]

definitely not OP. I absolutely hated playing warly due to the 133% hunger drain. It's a matter of time and efficiency. Warly has to spend more time getting food than other characters, and he can't just spam meatballs with monster meat+ice machines. If anything he needs to be buffed in that his special recipes should be able to be made in any crock pot, not just his own. Despite the portable crock pot, I had to devote so much time to food that I crafted way less than other characters at the 20 day mark.

[BlindGunner]

 

On 3/19/2016 at 2:11 PM, Mr.P said:

What does he got for upsides? A protable Crockpot, a decendly sized Backpack with Icebox function and a slightly increased statgain from eating Crockpot foods.

Warlys perks only mitigtate his downside

His increased hunger drain (which we all know doesnt mean much because of how abundant food is in SW..) is in tern converted into increased ability to heal both health and sanity like you said, but 20% isnt that "slight." (not that those are very difficult to deal with either... but maybe thats coming from someone whos played too much). His backpack is pretty much a portable fridge (one less slot) that can also hold other items. Pretty good. Portable crockpot, meh, but doesnt hurt me to sacrifice one slot to always have crockpot meals available. I feel Warly is a little strong, maybe not OP but in my opinion much better than wilson

[Scrimbles]

"Overpowered" doesn't exist.

Some characters are strictly better than others, and only one is worse, which is Wes.

Warly is pretty good compared to other characters, but so what? He has his unique style and that difficulty level is your choice to take. As long as the game is still challenging to people who aren't masters then overpowered doesn't exist.

[mitboy]

1 hour ago, BlindGunner said:

 I feel Warly is a little strong, maybe not OP but in my opinion much better than wilson

He isn't

Other than that, with other characters, you don't need portable freezer because you don't need so much food and you don't need portable crock pot with other characters because you don't need cooking that much. He also wastes a lot of time with having to cook and carrying portable cookware.

[voyager156]

6 hours ago, mitboy said:

Other than that, with other characters, you don't need portable freezer because you don't need so much food and you don't need portable crock pot with other characters because you don't need cooking that much. He also wastes a lot of time with having to cook and carrying portable cookware.

+ The fact, that he needs a few different ingredients in backpack for his crockpot recipes --> the backpack has always less space available than other characters...

[Romcyn]

I don't think he's OP. He's Wilson if Wilson were a Jamaican food nut. The perks he has are pretty minimal, the best one being his chef's pouch. 

[TalZahn]

I think making his food/recipes more battle oriented would bring him more up to speed with other characters. Forcing him to use his crockpot to make them.

 

Could start with basic status stuff like poison (Food poisoning?) and light them on fire (Too spicy of a dish?). Throw in sleepy food (Turkey related?), food that freezes (dry ice cream? haha), and food that slows the enemy down.

Then there's damaging food, but it has to compete with Monster food and red mushrooms in terms of damage. Could make it do more damage.

Then there's the other side of food he could do; temporary stat boosts. Coffee covers speed, but matbe he could make something like... coffee ice cream which will have it last even longer (and still a rare recipe!). Maybe food that boosts defense or attack as well.

How about status buffs? Food that makes hunger drain slower for a little (might be op for him since it negates his weakness...), food that regens health slightly for a brief time or sanity? Lot of possibilities for this chef.

 

I wouldn't recommend ALL of this for Warly, but even just one of these suggestions would bring him up to speed with the other characters. Don't even have to make new recipes, could make existing ones made in HIS crockpot gain additional effects. He needs just a little more unless he's supposed to be considered a Foody-Wilson.

[CheeseburgerCockatoo]

Why not get rid of the pouch but make the Portable Crock Pot have 6 Storage slots for food only, openable in Inventory and when placed and opened is next to the ingredient line.