Why nobody wants to Charlie as a character?

[Silentdarkness1]

I don't think a Charlie character would be much good in Don't Starve via dev, but i'd certainly be happy if the mod took off.

[Doomfan64]

In all honesty I kinda like the idea of Charlie being playable and having a more dangerous entity take her place as the night monster. But I personally think that, as far as in-game quotes, there's too thin a line between "Giving away too much of the story" and "Being a huge letdown story-wise". This could be adapted for another character though.

[NikMik]

And if charlie is within the grue and is what makes the sound before you attack to help you know when you hit the dark?

I want tests that the darkness is a fat charlie.

Charlie *is* the Grue, there's no way you can deny it! Even Kevin called the "Grue" Charlie (Or so I hear). If you look in the morgue after being killed be her as Maxwell, it says the cause of death was Charlie. In the coding itself, the grue is called Charlie sometimes. 

 

Here's a snippet from the sound files. These are the sounds you hear before dying in the dark:

Name            : /charlie/warnIndex           : /EVENTGROUP_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE/EVENT_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_WARNId              : EVENTID_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_WARN = 128GUID            : EVENTGUID_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_WARN = {0cd2dedb-10bc-4611-a4f8-ee11ea4a6c4b}Notes           : Max. playbacks  : 1DSP Effects     : noneCategory        : master/set_sfx/sfxName            : /charlie/attackIndex           : /EVENTGROUP_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE/EVENT_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_ATTACKId              : EVENTID_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_ATTACK = 129GUID            : EVENTGUID_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_ATTACK = {0c209438-545c-4726-b6bf-d5719de92570}Notes           : Max. playbacks  : 1DSP Effects     : noneCategory        : master/set_sfx/sfx

 

[Brianman27]

 

Charlie *is* the Grue, there's no way you can deny it! Even Kevin called the "Grue" Charlie (Or so I hear). If you look in the morgue after being killed be her as Maxwell, it says the cause of death was Charlie. In the coding itself, the grue is called Charlie sometimes. 

 

Here's a snippet from the sound files. These are the sounds you hear before dying in the dark:

Name            : /charlie/warnIndex           : /EVENTGROUP_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE/EVENT_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_WARNId              : EVENTID_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_WARN = 128GUID            : EVENTGUID_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_WARN = {0cd2dedb-10bc-4611-a4f8-ee11ea4a6c4b}Notes           : Max. playbacks  : 1DSP Effects     : noneCategory        : master/set_sfx/sfxName            : /charlie/attackIndex           : /EVENTGROUP_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE/EVENT_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_ATTACKId              : EVENTID_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_ATTACK = 129GUID            : EVENTGUID_DONTSTARVE_CHARLIE_ATTACK = {0c209438-545c-4726-b6bf-d5719de92570}Notes           : Max. playbacks  : 1DSP Effects     : noneCategory        : master/set_sfx/sfx

 

 

I just say that that makes sound can be Charlie to help the player, and as the morgue with Maxwell says "Charlie", it may be a hallucination, since in the history of Maxwell, was because of he that Charlie "disappeared"

 

[oCrapaCreeper]

I just say that that makes sound can be Charlie to help the player, and as the morgue with Maxwell says "Charlie", it may be a hallucination, since in the history of Maxwell, was because of he that Charlie "disappeared"

 

You're literally pulling stuff out of thin air at this point that is making no sense at all. There are 3 different points that prove the grue is indeed Charlie. I'm sure Maxwell is not hallucinating. Maxwell and Charlie were taken at the same time during their last magic show, so I'm sure Maxwell would know what actually happened to her. 

 

This is why Charlie as a character would not work lore-wise by itself, there are currently too many holes and secrets in the story for it to even remotely make sense, and that's only scratching the surface before balance issues.

[23rd]

As much as I think it would be neat to have Charlie playable, you run into the issue of balance. If Charlie, the grue, no longer is haunting the nights, then what danger is there leaving the safe haven of your campfire at night? That's a pretty huge game mechanic that's just simply not there anymore.

 

I mean you could work around it. Maybe it works like the Nightmare Throne in the sense that freeing Charlie causes the person who took pity on her to take her place.

 

Maybe an even more terrifying shadow creature takes Charlie's place now that she's no longer the grue, I don't know, but you'd definitely need to keep the mechanic intact.

In all honesty I kinda like the idea of Charlie being playable and having a more dangerous entity take her place as the night monster. But I personally think that, as far as in-game quotes, there's too thin a line between "Giving away too much of the story" and "Being a huge letdown story-wise". This could be adapted for another character though.

Can't be too hard to come up with some lore-friendly stuff while still keeping the darkness a mysterious and frightening entity. Some ideas for how a playable Charlie would fit into the world of Don't Starve.

• Perhaps some sort of ritual could be performed in a guaranteed setpiece that would split the Grue into two parts. Charlie, and the Intimidating Shadow. Charlie, in a daze, would escape off screen after catching a look at the Intimidating Shadow (which, through some graphical creativity, we wouldn't catch a good look of) and getting worked into a terrified frenzy. From that point on she would be selectable, and characters in the world would gain new dialogue when walking out into the dark to address the new thing that's following them around. The change would persist throughout Teleportato uses on a save, or any save started with Charlie.
• As a playable character, Charlie's quotes would reveal she couldn't remember anything that happened since being absorbed into the Codex Umbra. Select items would trigger vague lines hinting at subconscious memories. For example, examining a purple gem could make her say something like "I think.. I used to eat these. They tasted bitter."
• Her powers could be indicative of her still dealing with the lingering effects of being the Grue. Besides the obvious ideas of reversing dusk and night's effect on sanity I don't have many ideas. Perhaps a way for her to make Crawling Horrors and Terrorbeaks friendly? Like Maxwell before he got the Codex; she could have difficulty staying at low sanity, where the "hallucinations" would be able to protect her from the dangers of the world around her. This is all conjecture, really.

Theoretical lore-crafting is the best.

[Brianman27]

You're literally pulling stuff out of thin air at this point that is making no sense at all. There are 3 different points that prove the grue is indeed Charlie. I'm sure Maxwell is not hallucinating. Maxwell and Charlie were taken at the same time during their last magic show, so I'm sure Maxwell would know what actually happened to her. 

 

You know that Maxwell is just a character in a game and not is real?

Because you're talking a lot of Maxwell instead of Klei, they are the ones who created the character

You can not be "sure" of something that Klei never been verified, if you say in theory as I talk about charlie, you can be less .. strange ..

[Strangerdanger101]

You know that Maxwell is just a character in a game and not is real?

Because you're talking a lot of Maxwell instead of Klei, they are the ones who created the character

You can not be "sure" of something that Klei never been verified, if you say in theory as I talk about charlie, you can be less .. strange ..

No offense but...

*facepalm*

[oCrapaCreeper]

You know that Maxwell is just a character in a game and not is real?

Because you're talking a lot of Maxwell instead of Klei, they are the ones who created the character

You can not be "sure" of something that Klei never been verified, if you say in theory as I talk about charlie, you can be less .. strange ..

I'm under the realization this is a videogame, you do not need to remind me. The entire point is you can't just throw in Charlie as a character when there are currently too many holes and secrets in the game's story, and then balance problems such as the fact that a grue would not exist.

[Brianman27]

Can't be too hard to come up with some lore-friendly stuff while still keeping the darkness a mysterious and frightening entity. Some ideas for how a playable Charlie would fit into the world of Don't Starve.

• Perhaps some sort of ritual could be performed in a guaranteed setpiece that would split the Grue into two parts. Charlie, and the Intimidating Shadow. Charlie, in a daze, would escape off screen after catching a look at the Intimidating Shadow (which, through some graphical creativity, we wouldn't catch a good look of) and getting worked into a terrified frenzy. From that point on she would be selectable, and characters in the world would gain new dialogue when walking out into the dark to address the new thing that's following them around. The change would persist throughout Teleportato uses on a save, or any save started with Charlie.
• As a playable character, Charlie's quotes would reveal she couldn't remember anything that happened since being absorbed into the Codex Umbra. Select items would trigger vague lines hinting at subconscious memories. For example, examining a purple gem could make her say something like "I think.. I used to eat these. They tasted bitter."
• Her powers could be indicative of her still dealing with the lingering effects of being the Grue. Besides the obvious ideas of reversing dusk and night's effect on sanity I don't have many ideas. Perhaps a way for her to make Crawling Horrors and Terrorbeaks friendly? Like Maxwell before he got the Codex; she could have difficulty staying at low sanity, where the "hallucinations" would be able to protect her from the dangers of the world around her. This is all conjecture, really.

Theoretical lore-crafting is the best.

 

Wow, that's amazing idea to unlock Charlie!

But on their dialogues, I prefer comments such as:

Flower: They look much better in the dark

Food: I really missed eat this

Creatures of the Night: My little babies

In the dark: you dont  remember me?

like a pretty charismatic character, like Wilson ^_^

[23rd]

Wow, that's amazing idea to unlock Charlie!

But on their dialogues, I prefer comments such as:

Flower: They look much better in the dark

Food: I really missed eat this

Creatures of the Night: My little babies

In the dark: you dont  remember me?

like a pretty charismatic character, like Wilson ^_^

Aside from the food one, those all sound like things that would be well suited to Wendy. I wouldn't want any two characters to have personalities so similar.

[Brianman27]

I'm under the realization this is a videogame, you do not need to remind me. The entire point is you can't just throw in Charlie as a character when there are currently too many holes and secrets in the game's story, and then balance problems such as the fact that a grue would not exist.

 

Please, call an employee from Klei to tell me if the grue and charlie are the same person,If this is never checked, i can say that the grue is a lost brother of Wilson

Sorry if the word "strange" was offensive

[Brianman27]

Aside from the food one, those all sound like things that would be well suited to Wendy. I wouldn't want any two characters to have personalities so similar.

Not is nothing compared a little emo psychopath was probably the one who killed his sister with a charismatic girl, by the look of the photos, charlie looks exited and sympathetic, she could talk about the dark comically, until now the only comic character is Wilson, give a good face to being locked in an island

[oCrapaCreeper]

Please, call an employee from Klei to tell me if the grue and charlie are the same person,If this is never checked, i can say that the grue is a lost brother of Wilson

Sorry if the word "strange" was offensive

You're missing 3 critical points here:

 

1. Kevin, one of the developers at Klei, has referred to the grue as Charlie and revealed the fact that she was a woman and a friend of Maxwell, before any of Maxwell's backstory was even revealed through those puzzles

2. The game files refer to the grue as Charlie, and have long before Maxwell was playable

3. Maxwell dying by darkness is listed as Charlie in the morgue

 

 

#1 is probably the answer you're looking for since you seemed pretty serious about that.

[Brianman27]

You're missing 3 critical points here:

 

1. Kevin, one of the developers at Klei, has referred to the grue as Charlie and revealed the fact that she was a woman and a friend of Maxwell, before any of Maxwell's backstory was even revealed through those puzzles

2. The game files refer to the grue as Charlie, and have long before Maxwell was playable

3. Maxwell dying by darkness is listed as Charlie in the morgue

 

 

#1 is probably the answer you're looking for since you seemed pretty serious about that.

 

You ruined my illusion

[Sindex]

I'm still wondering when Klei is going to finish up the back story of Charlie becoming the night monster. Considering it's been a rather long intermission between now and when we got the first part of that particular story-arc. I guessing they will conclude the narrative either when the RotG DLC is finished, or if they add more content beyond the DLC.

[Doomfan64]

I'm still wondering when Klei is going to finish up the back story of Charlie becoming the night monster. Considering it's been a rather long intermission between now and when we got the first part of that particular story-arc. I guessing they will conclude the narrative either when the RotG DLC is finished, or if they add more content beyond the DLC.

I have to wonder if Klei really cares about the story anymore, honestly. It might seem harsh, but the final William Carter puzzle was a massive letdown.

 

Can't be too hard to come up with some lore-friendly stuff while still keeping the darkness a mysterious and frightening entity. Some ideas for how a playable Charlie would fit into the world of Don't Starve.

• Perhaps some sort of ritual could be performed in a guaranteed setpiece that would split the Grue into two parts. Charlie, and the Intimidating Shadow. Charlie, in a daze, would escape off screen after catching a look at the Intimidating Shadow (which, through some graphical creativity, we wouldn't catch a good look of) and getting worked into a terrified frenzy. From that point on she would be selectable, and characters in the world would gain new dialogue when walking out into the dark to address the new thing that's following them around. The change would persist throughout Teleportato uses on a save, or any save started with Charlie.
• As a playable character, Charlie's quotes would reveal she couldn't remember anything that happened since being absorbed into the Codex Umbra. Select items would trigger vague lines hinting at subconscious memories. For example, examining a purple gem could make her say something like "I think.. I used to eat these. They tasted bitter."
• Her powers could be indicative of her still dealing with the lingering effects of being the Grue. Besides the obvious ideas of reversing dusk and night's effect on sanity I don't have many ideas. Perhaps a way for her to make Crawling Horrors and Terrorbeaks friendly? Like Maxwell before he got the Codex; she could have difficulty staying at low sanity, where the "hallucinations" would be able to protect her from the dangers of the world around her. This is all conjecture, really.

Theoretical lore-crafting is the best.

The powers work for me, but I think that the setpiece should be like some kind of huge fight. Maybe they can reuse the "Lost Fragment" code for it or something.

[Snob]

I have to wonder if Klei really cares about the story anymore, honestly. It might seem harsh, but the final William Carter puzzle was a massive letdown.

Why was it a massive letdown? I honestly want to know your reasoning.

 

Was it because it was too.. Predictable? Or not graphic enough?

 

I would love to see Charlie turn into the grue.. The shadows could rip her apart, and infest her with darkness.. It would be interesting.

[Doomfan64]

Why was it a massive letdown? I honestly want to know your reasoning.

 

Was it because it was too.. Predictable? Or not graphic enough?

 

I would love to see Charlie turn into the grue.. The shadows could rip her apart, and infest her with darkness.. It would be interesting.

Well, the ending was "Maxwell accidentally did some magic BS to get trapped into the DS world with Charlie", from what I remember of it. This was a letdown because:

 

1. This was basically assumed at this point. Whenever someone opened a "(update name) Puzzle Thread", some guy would come up with his "grand" theory that was basically what I just said above.

 

2. This was really the massive climax? No details on what happened AFTER Maxwell ended up there? How he ended up in the Nightmare Throne? His interactions with Them? How Charlie became the Grue? I would have assumed this would all get explained in the trailers for the DLC, but that doesn't seem to be the case so far. 

[The Letter W]

It's still on Intermission so I think they've got plans to continue it at some point, or at least I hope so. It may have been the final act but I'd like to think there was an Encore. 

 

As for Charlie being a playable character it... would be interesting but there would have to be still something killing you at night, even if its literally her shadow.