Can Klei add a speed-boosting dish to Warly?

[rain grass]

Similar to the effect of coffee in the past

[DegenerateFurry]

I'd be in favor of this. Lunar Woby is faster than normal or shadow Woby, so maybe Warly gets a lunar affinity perk that allows him to brew a Brightshade Expresso? Get it? Espresso, but express because fast. 

[Tranoze]

1 minute ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Brightshade Expresso? Get it? Espresso, but express because fast. 

Bright Expresshade

[Cheggf]

A speed boosting dish would be good, but not like coffee. Do not make it similar to coffee. Nothing like coffee.

[DegenerateFurry]

1 minute ago, Cheggf said:

A speed boosting dish would be good, but not like coffee. Do not make it similar to coffee. Nothing like coffee.

Actually, yeah - coffee is pretty stupidly overpowered, giving an 83% speed boost according to the wiki. I think it being some kind of brightshade husk tea would be the perfect recipe, though - just maybe with a 25% speed boost instead.

[Cheggf]

15 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Actually, yeah - coffee is pretty stupidly overpowered, giving an 83% speed boost according to the wiki. I think it being some kind of brightshade husk tea would be the perfect recipe, though - just maybe with a 25% speed boost instead.

I'm not 100% positive, but I believe that 83% boost is applied to your base speed which other speed boosts then multiply. So in addition to making you move 83% faster, it makes all other speed boosts 83% more effective. A walking cane's +25% would look more like a +46%.

[gaymime]

if it was something only warly could drink i would be all for this, otherwise there is 0 reason to have it be warly exclusive as people would do what they currently do and just swap, make a bundle of it then swap back

[Guille6785]

38 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

I'm not 100% positive, but I believe that 83% boost is applied to your base speed which other speed boosts then multiply. So in addition to making you move 83% faster, it makes all other speed boosts 83% more effective. A walking cane's +25% would look more like a +46%.

speed boosts in DS are really weird, some are additive, some are multiplicative, I could probably find a console command that displays speed accurately to test this and get accurate numbers myself sometime but atm I've no idea if this is the case for any or all speed mults

[Cheggf]

6 minutes ago, Guille6785 said:

speed boosts in DS are really weird, some are additive, some are multiplicative, I could probably find a console command that displays speed accurately to test this and get accurate numbers myself sometime but atm I've no idea if this is the case for any or all speed mults

I just checked the wiki and it claims that in DSA most multipliers are additively put together, but there are a few things that affect base speed (Wimpy, wereforms, wilbur, bloom, WX, Wilba, Wurt's marsh bonus, coffee, boats), which is then multiplied by the sum of the multipliers, so coffee would make everything else 83% more effective (unless you're also stacking something like overcharge, which would combine with coffee's base speed increase and be even more crazy). It says in DST there are no flat additions, and everything is a multiplier.

So I think that means the wiki is claiming that a cane (+25%) and magi (+20%) would be +45% in DSA and +50% in DST, or if you also add Wormwood's blooming it would be +74% in DSA since bloom affects your base speed according to the page, and +80% in DST since that's three things being multiplied together making them considerably better than the +65% they'd be if it was additive. 

[loopuleasa]

2 hours ago, rain grass said:

Similar to coffee

hell nah

coffee is the most broken thing in all of the game versions

it only works for shipwrecked because the SW world is huge and there the boats are inheriting your speed

heck... it even works on beefalo riding...

[Creatorofswamps]

How about French onion soup? If Warly eats it, he will run faster. At the same time, if someone else tries to eat it, he will refuse, because this dish is too "Too many onions" for others

*(this picture was found inside the game and taken from the wiki)*

[Cheggf]

Just now, Creatorofswamps said:

How about French onion soup? If Warly eats it, he will run faster. At the same time, if someone else tries to eat it, he will refuse, because this dish is too French for others (this picture was found inside the game and taken from the wiki)

Too French? Is everyone just like racist or something? 

[Creatorofswamps]

1 hour ago, Cheggf said:

Too French? Is everyone just like racist or something? 

I mean, there are TOO many onions in this dish. In reality, not everyone likes this dish for this reason (and by too French, it means that in every country there are some dishes that only residents of this country like, I didn't mean anything racist or strange. In any case, I mean, there are too many onions and others are unlikely to like it.)

[WilsonHiggs]

2 hours ago, gaymime said:

if it was something only warly could drink i would be all for this, otherwise there is 0 reason to have it be warly exclusive as people would do what they currently do and just swap, make a bundle of it then swap back

And why do you care? I play warly but i dont care if others only use him for his dishes and swap. I dont get what is good about reducing the cooperative component of the game

[Tranoze]

1 hour ago, loopuleasa said:

coffee is the most broken thing in all of the game versions

2 hours ago, DegenerateFurry said:

coffee is pretty stupidly overpowered, giving an 83% speed boost according to the wiki.

2 hours ago, Cheggf said:

boost is applied to your base speed which other speed boosts then multiply. 

Walking is for peasants. Just teleport straight to destination instead. 83% heck even 830% you wont be faster than teleport.

Coffee is not even that op when compare to all dst stuffs.

[Edible Coal]

10 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Walking is for peasants. Just teleport straight to destination instead. 83% heck even 830% you wont be faster than teleport.

Coffee is not even that op when compare to all dst stuffs.

for day to day travel, yes no amount of speed boost will outclass teleport, however in battle, having more speed boost can easily make a hard fight into a very easy one

[Tranoze]

Just now, Edible Coal said:

battle, having more speed boost can easily make a hard fight into a very easy one

Having too much speed can also make easy fight become hard one. There a sweetsport that after you dodge enemy still in your target range. If you move too fast, after you dodge, press F or ctr F will simply found noone to attack.

You can try effect of coffee easily by just play wx78 with cane and magi. Is he fast? Yes. Does it feel good running fast? Yes. Is it completely OP in battle? nah.

[Cheggf]

17 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Walking is for peasants. Just teleport straight to destination instead. 83% heck even 830% you wont be faster than teleport.

Coffee is not even that op when compare to all dst stuffs.

DST having one character with ridiculous garbage balancing does not mean every character needs ridiculous garbage balancing. If anything it shows that one character should be nerfed. 

[Tranoze]

1 minute ago, Cheggf said:

DST having one character with ridiculous garbage balancing does not mean every character needs ridiculous garbage balancing. If anything it shows that one character should be nerfed. 

In DS, the only method you can use to travel from point a to point b is walking, with teleport too expensive to use. In DST, you can travel in multiple way with help of other people.

That why in ds coffee is always good, you can say it overpowered there. But it nolonger the case in DST. Other can teleport you via deserter (all character can use), or socket telelocator when you arent there so you can teleport when you wanted to.

[gaymime]

54 minutes ago, WilsonHiggs said:

And why do you care? I play warly but i dont care if others only use him for his dishes and swap. I dont get what is good about reducing the cooperative component of the game

if you had actually read what i wrote you would have seen that i had said unless it was warly exclusive there is no point in making it tied to his cooking skill exclusively. at that point it makes much more sense to have it just be something all players can make & use.

 

i think you are missing the point of making something character-exclusive if the only conclusion you came to is that is is a bad thing to have stuff be character-exclusive.

 

1 hour ago, Creatorofswamps said:

How about French onion soup? If Warly eats it, he will run faster. At the same time, if someone else tries to eat it, he will refuse, because this dish is too French for others(Too many onions)

*(this picture was found inside the game and taken from the wiki)*

might not be a good idea to say "too french" since that isn't really representative of the reason people sometimes struggle with it(also wes is french). saying it gives them an upset stomach would be more in-line with reality and wouldnt have any negative social connotations attached. when i was thinking about coffee as the speed dish i had considered something similar; the others would refuse it(like fruitcake) because to them it is extremely bitter(dark roast black coffee). many people like medium and light roast coffees because they are much milder and add things like creme, sugar, cocoa and cinnamon to negate the acidity

[_mylilsunshine_]

52 minutes ago, WilsonHiggs said:

And why do you care? I play warly but i dont care if others only use him for his dishes and swap. I dont get what is good about reducing the cooperative component of the game

and why do you not care? i don't get what is good about reducing a character to just a swap-and-produce buff factory.

you see how this argument and redundant question can go both ways, right? and swap-and-produce issue also covers single, not just multiplayer.

anyway. citing this thread since it has covered this "swap-and-produce" vs. "cooperative" issue with many good suggestions

[Creatorofswamps]

18 minutes ago, gaymime said:

might not be a good idea to say "too french" since that isn't really representative of the reason people sometimes struggle with it(also wes is french). saying it gives them an upset stomach would be more in-line with reality and wouldnt have any negative social connotations attached

I didn't say this out of anger or mockery, rather because I speak a different language and sometimes it's more difficult for me to express my thoughts correctly in English. Anyway, I'll keep this in mind for the future, thank you ^^

18 minutes ago, gaymime said:

also wes is french

Well noted! it would be funny if Wes could also eat it, you could say it would be an indirect buff Wes

[gaymime]

4 minutes ago, Creatorofswamps said:

I didn't say this out of anger or mockery, rather because I speak a different language and sometimes it's more difficult for me to express my thoughts correctly in English. Anyway, I'll keep this in mind for the future, thank you

Well noted! it would be funny if Wes could also eat it, you could say it would be an indirect buff Wes

i figured as much ^^ you have not been the sort of person to make those kinds of posts in the past so i figured it wasn't meant to be anything derisive. regardless though a lot of people have been cavalier with equating nationality with things that are not nationally exclusive recently so it is still good practice to say it

 

lololol, that would be funny but i fear people would throw all sorts of tantrums in the forums over that x''D please spare my poor boy!

[Tranoze]

14 minutes ago, _mylilsunshine_ said:

and swap-and-produce issue also covers single, not just multiplayer.

I'd say swap and produce mostly cover single, and doesnt effect that much on multiplayer.
Only single players in dst use the term swap-and-produce, while we multipler player just ask our warly too cook dishes for us.
If there are no warly we wont have any buff dishes. Even if people try to swap-and-produce, all production got completely wipe in matter of minutes, no matter how much stacks of buff food you try to make.

[Cheggf]

33 minutes ago, gaymime said:

if you had actually read what i wrote you would have seen that i had said unless it was warly exclusive there is no point in making it tied to his cooking skill exclusively. at that point it makes much more sense to have it just be something all players can make & use.

 

i think you are missing the point of making something character-exclusive if the only conclusion you came to is that is is a bad thing to have stuff be character-exclusive.

Should all of Wigfrid's crafts be removed from her and given to everyone so all she does is sing songs and nobody ever makes football helmets ever again? Saying character specific crafts being pointless if others can use them is a ridiculous notion.