The Lamb Idol burns the same as a Campfire.

[YourWorstNightm]

Why does the Lamb Idol have the same burn efficiency as a regular campfire?

Shouldn't it be more aligned with a Fire Pit's burn timer?

 

[gaymime]

i was pretty sure it burned faster than a campfire. it does that to compensate for its sanity aura.

[RexySeven]

On 1/4/2025 at 8:44 AM, gaymime said:

i was pretty sure it burned faster than a campfire. it does that to compensate for its sanity aura.

The amount of resources you have to spend and how fuel inefficient it is (with added bonus of comically big collision box) makes me gauge my eyes out.

Tiny wee sanity aura and range is so bad it makes no sense to have such overwhelming downsides, you have to stick your face in it to even notice any sanity gain.

 

[Dwight34]

4 hours ago, RexySeven said:

The amount of resources you have to spend and how fuel inefficient it is (with added bonus of comically big collision box) makes me gauge my eyes out.

Tiny wee sanity aura and range is so bad it makes no sense to have such overwhelming downsides, you have to stick your face in it to even notice any sanity gain.

 

It's pretty useful in the caves with the sanity aura for little resources once built, but I agree with how many upfront resources you have to give and the fact you can only get it via the Oasis, it should be buffed to fire pit's efficiency.

[BezKa]

It's mostly decoration, it doesn't need to be super powerful or anything. If anything, it's wonderful at producing charcoal

[Violet Desiree]

i only ever use it for my ritual cross on my base its kinda cute at max power tho

[DaDa_waw]

On 1/4/2025 at 1:44 PM, gaymime said:

i was pretty sure it burned faster than a campfire. it does that to compensate for its sanity aura.

This kind of balancing mindset is quite inferior. You put in more effort and materials, and it's only natural that you should get a better experience. The Meep Meep Statue is much more expensive than the Stone Fire Pit. There's no reason to engage in a balancing cut. Such behavior is really boring.

[Evelo]

10 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

This kind of balancing mindset is quite inferior.

It might be because it is cross over content and Klei might have intentionally balanced it in such a way as to not make cross over content strictly the best of the best but more flavorful and cute.

[gaymime]

1 hour ago, DaDa_waw said:

This kind of balancing mindset is quite inferior. You put in more effort and materials, and it's only natural that you should get a better experience. The Meep Meep Statue is much more expensive than the Stone Fire Pit. There's no reason to engage in a balancing cut. Such behavior is really boring.

it was a cute little thing for a crossover micro update. it doesnt need to be game-changing ^^;

[DaDa_waw]

1 hour ago, Evelo said:

It might be because it is cross over content and Klei might have intentionally balanced it in such a way as to not make cross over content strictly the best of the best but more flavorful and cute.

That's very frustrating, after all, the current definition of this object should first be a DST item, and then on this basis it should be a linkage prop. If it cannot make people feel useful even after consuming a high amount of materials, it means that updating this object in DST does not have practical gameplay extensions.

[Evelo]

12 hours ago, DaDa_waw said:

t means that updating this object in DST does not have practical gameplay extensions.

That's because it isn't meant to be practical but fancy and neat...

[Mike23Ua]

2 minutes ago, Evelo said:

That's because it isn't meant to be practical but fancy and neat...

Yes but, a fully upgraded lamb idol firepit costs way more resources then a campfire and firepit combined and even if it is crossover content: usefulness should probably match the effort required to fully upgrade it.

Besides: Newer players to DST aren’t going to know that the Eye of Terror isn’t one of DSTs own bosses unless they’ve also played Terraria and know it’s a Crossover boss- Because the content just blends so well into everything else in DST.

Same with the CoTL firepit, people who have played CoTL will notice the iconic lamb character, and people who have not: Are just going to see a far more expensive version of a less effective campfire.

And dont even give me that standing near it gives sanity so it can’t be a good firepit excuse- Walter drives me INSANE IRL anytime he’s near a campfire.. to regain his & anyone can switch to Wendy to build Sisturns before switching to someone else for the free sanity Aurora they provide.

[Evelo]

27 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Yes but...

If everything that is crossover is balanced in such a way that makes it viable, Don't Starve will lose its identity and just become a jumble of cross over content. It's a slippery slope. I don't want the soul of the game to be washed away by crossover stuffs. Super Smash Bros, Mortal Kombat, Dead Cells, etc etc all feel soulless because of all the crossovers.

[Well-met]

14 hours ago, DaDa_waw said:

This kind of balancing mindset is quite inferior. You put in more effort and materials, and it's only natural that you should get a better experience. The Meep Meep Statue is much more expensive than the Stone Fire Pit. There's no reason to engage in a balancing cut. Such behavior is really boring.

nope

what's really inferior and boring is when klei adds straight upgrades for free that make older items or mechanics completely obsolete.

 

[DegenerateFurry]

1 hour ago, Well-met said:

nope

what's really inferior and boring is when klei adds straight upgrades for free that make older items or mechanics completely obsolete.

 

Campfire: 2 logs, 3 grass. Available from the very start of the game. Least efficient option, can't be refueled once it goes out. Burns for four minutes and thirty seconds after being fully fueled. No sanity aura if you're not Willow. 

Fire pit: 12 rocks and 2 logs. Available from the very start of the game. Greater efficiency than the campfire, can be refueled once it goes out. Burns for six minutes after being fully fueled and has doubled fuel efficiency. No sanity aura if you're not Willow.

Humble Lamb Idol: Must survive until summer, fish extensively in the oasis unless you get really lucky, and give a gift to Antlion.
  Stage 1: 10 rocks and 2 logs (cheaper initial build cost) for a +4/min sanity aura that you don't even get all of unless you're really hugging it. Burns for a mere two minutes after being fully fueled (worse than half a campfire). 
  Stage 2: 5 cut stone (15 rocks) and 1 log. Stone cost is now just over double that of a fire pit. +6/min sanity aura (still not all that high for a structure that's starting to be expensive). Burns for four minutes after being fully fueled (worse than a campfire still). 
  Stage 3: 10 gold nuggets, 10 cut stone (30 rocks), and 1 log. Now costs 4.5x as much stone to make as a fire pit. +16/min (the wiki isn't accurate) sanity aura (which is actually decent). Burns for 8 minutes, but it's still not even half as fuel efficient as a fire pit. 
Also, worth noting is that the sanity aura is so tiny that how much you get depends on what side of it you're touching. Like, you have to be pixel perfect to get the full effect.

The Humble Lamb Idol should be a straight upgrade over the fire pit. It's much later in the game and it's also way more expensive (costing a total of 55 rocks, 10 gold, and 3 logs just to build). You have to work to get it and to build it. Instead, it's objectively worse than the fire pit for fire purposes, with only the final stage having any advantage (a longer burn time from fully fueled, and only by two minutes). It should be a viable option to replace fire pits entirely in the mid-to-late-game, but instead, its only use is a niche one for sanity stations.

I've gotten these figures through in-game testing using the Insight mod to see exact burn times and fuel efficiencies.

[GimplyGoose]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind if the idol had better fuel efficiency when fully upgraded. Personally, I was kind of bummed out when I went through the effort of creating one and afterwards realized that the cheaper firepit is generally better because of the fuel efficiency difference.

I also get the argument that crossover content shouldn't be straight up better than DST original content...

[BezKa]

13 hours ago, DegenerateFurry said:

The Humble Lamb Idol should be a straight upgrade over the fire pit.

What for? To make every base have one?

It's only so expensive because it mimics the Lamb statue upgrade cycle from CotL. Like a: wink, remember doing this in the other game?

You already have an upgrade over the fire pit, it's called scaled furnace.

Let decor be decor.

[Evelo]

6 hours ago, Well-met said:

what's really inferior and boring is when klei adds straight upgrades for free that make older items or mechanics completely obsolete.

I do agree with that. the suite of new items since the Wilson "refresh" with the Dreadstone Armor has really soured the utility of other items.

[DegenerateFurry]

1 hour ago, BezKa said:

What for? To make every base have one?

It's only so expensive because it mimics the Lamb statue upgrade cycle from CotL. Like a: wink, remember doing this in the other game?

You already have an upgrade over the fire pit, it's called scaled furnace.

Let decor be decor.

 

The scaled furnace isn't an upgrade, it has a different purpose, and it does that different purpose very well. It trades its light radius for extreme and infinite heat and (now) the ability to destroy unwanted items. 

If the Lamb Idol is meant to be an expensive alternative to the fire pit and not a replacement, I say it needs to have its sanity aura doubled to be worth it. 

[Evelo]

3 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

If the Lamb Idol is meant to be an expensive alternative to the fire pit and not a replacement, I say it needs to have its sanity aura doubled to be worth it.

I don't think it is "meant" for anything besides a crossover item. It just functions like a campfire and provides a sanity aura because Cult of the Lamb has a Lamb Idol Pyre where the town meets.
So klei probably went > Pyre? - Campfire.   > Town Meeting? - uhhh Sanity sure.

But idk, just guessing. Don't think it's that in depth just a cute thing.

[DegenerateFurry]

3 minutes ago, Evelo said:

I don't think it is "meant" for anything besides a crossover item. It just functions like a campfire and provides a sanity aura because Cult of the Lamb has a Lamb Idol Pyre where the town meets.
So klei probably went > Pyre? - Campfire.   > Town Meeting? - uhhh Sanity sure.

But idk, just guessing. Don't think it's that in depth just a cute thing.

I really don't understand this logic. Why does crossover content have to be useless? Shouldn't they want to make it really good so that people check out the game they're doing a crossover with and both development studios benefit? Cult of the Lamb made Webber immune to starving. Like, he's the only follower who literally cannot starve to death, no matter how much you suck at feeding your cult. It might not be the biggest deal (feeding a cult's not hard), but it's still an actual noteworthy advantage to the crossover.

Whereas what DST did with that crossover was give us a suckier fire pit that has a worse sanity radius than a sisturn and costs way more than both combined.

[Evelo]

5 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

I really don't understand this logic. Why does crossover content have to be useless? Shouldn't they want to make it really good so that people check out the game they're doing a crossover with and both development studios benefit?

6 hours ago, Evelo said:

If everything that is crossover is balanced in such a way that makes it viable, Don't Starve will lose its identity and just become a jumble of cross over content. It's a slippery slope. I don't want the soul of the game to be washed away by crossover stuffs. Super Smash Bros, Mortal Kombat, Dead Cells, etc etc all feel soulless because of all the crossovers.

Just my opinion though. Fork Knife is popular and that game is crossover vomit. So f*** if I know.

 

Oh I remembered the term. Immersion Breaking. Crossovers are very immersion breaking imo. It's why I always disable the Terraria Crossover. Can't stand it because it just takes me straight out of the Don't Starve universe Klei has created.

[DegenerateFurry]

9 minutes ago, Evelo said:

Just my opinion though. Fork Knife is popular and that game is crossover vomit. So f*** if I know.

The thing is, the Klei devs have done two (2) crossovers. They're really picky about who they do them with. One was with Cult of the Lamb and the other was with Terraria. 

I'd get it if they did crossovers as frequently as Team Fortress 2, but Klei's done only two.

Also, nobody complains about how the eye mask is just a better football helmet (due to being repairable for monster meat). Most players still use football helmets instead. It's a good side-grade - you have to be more careful not to break it, but if you are, you never have to worry about replacing it. 

[DaDa_waw]

7 hours ago, Evelo said:

That's because it isn't meant to be practical but fancy and neat...

I actually don't like endless arguments. The viewpoint I hope to establish has already been explained very clearly. Let me reiterate it in the end. Linked items have no obligation to become worse, they are DST's items first, and then linked items. If you can't understand this relationship, then everything is meaningless. A constantly upgrading bonfire, ultimately just an impractical item, is inherently unreasonable and will not become reasonable just because it is a linked item.

[loopuleasa]

It is worth the burn time

You get 2 sanity per sec with this setup