Gestalt Abigail solos Toadstool, Armored Bearger, Dragonfly and much more!

[Tranoze]

3 minutes ago, cropo said:

A Wendy player who has unlocked their alignments(we need to assume they did this naturally) is already at a stage of knowledge that would prevent them from ever having issues with starvation. 

It took 2 points to reach there.

5 minutes ago, cropo said:

Bernie also doesn't sew himself back together unless he is currently out and active,

Do you know willow can carry 15 bernies in her inventory? and even more if she has backpack?

[cropo]

Just now, Tranoze said:

Do you know willow can carry 15 bernies in her inventory? and even more if she has backpack?

That is the most asinine and pointless endeavor to embark on imagineable. You would be better off farming 15 stacks of embers and spamming fire spells.


Tell you what, keep Lunar gestalt the way it is but immediately disable 15 inventory slots on Wendy.

[Lee Sy]

I have seen some video of lunar Abi solos Celestial Champion, Armored Bearger, Crystal Deerclops and more. It seems to be strong because Wendy could kill almost all the bosses without a scratch.

The fact is that experienced players could even do better (in term of time) with Wes, so Wes is too strong that needs nerf?

It's another way to combat, by controlling Abi instead of preparing weapons and armors. Just like Wilson could craft gunpowder to kill great monster in several seconds, which doesn't mean Wilson is the strongest character.

You have to use escape skill to protect Abi from deadly damage, but I also admit it's easier than other fight style. After all, Wendy could be away from danger. But nothing is perfect, Wendy could keep safe all time but spend more time. If you want to combat with Abi to save time, there is no more hands controlling Abi to escape, and Wendy also needs to escape at the same time. Maybe you can balance it after much practices, but I don't think it's easy.

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我也看过一些月灵阿比单挑天体，月熊，月鹿的视频，温蒂几乎可以毫发无伤地杀死所有boss，这看起来很强。

事实上，大佬们也可以用韦斯毫发无伤地击杀这些怪，甚至更快，难道韦斯也太强，需要削弱吗？

这只是另一种战斗方式，通过指挥召唤物而不是准备武器护甲，就像威尔逊可以制作很多火药瞬间炸死巨怪，难道威尔逊是最强的角色？

你必须使用躲避技能来保护阿比免受致命伤害，但我也承认这比其他的战斗方式简单，毕竟温蒂可以远离危险。但没什么是完美的，温蒂可以保持安全，但必须花更长的时间战斗，而不是像土豆人一样按住F不松手。如果你想和姐姐一起战斗来节省时间，那就没工夫控制阿比了，因为温蒂也需要在同一时间走位。也许在大量练习后可以做到这点，但我觉得这不简单。

[Steorra]

7 minutes ago, arubaro said:

I wanna see you farming fuel during a boss fight

Seriously?
Here's an example for fighting dragonfly:

 裸装老麦5分钟无伤龙蝇_手机游戏热门视频

If you DO think this is hard I would do it for you myself later (when I have spare time to play DST)

 

I can not understand why "click for summon, click for prison, fight against low sanity shadow" would be hard.

 

Also here's another example for fighting bee queen

裸装老麦0燃料全程0san无补给杀峰后，打完多出一组燃料_饥荒联机版

Have to admit that to use Maxwell fight bee queen like this is hard and skill-needed, I can't do this for current stage.

16 minutes ago, cropo said:

I'd say Maxwell could definitely use some nerfs, and that his example should not be followed.

I would insist two point about this.

1st, Maxwell is a high skill-needed character when you have to deal with some hard fightings, which like bee queen. It's not "auto-win" like some ppls think. He has good basic survival ability yes, but that is just useful for newbie (to Max himself). Any experienced Max mainly players would not get benefit from those things which seems "OP". The true OP things need high skill which should be considering when we talking about balance.

 

2nd, then you should make your efforts for nerfing Maxwell, Winona and Wurt first, before you trying to make other character become far more weak than them. (It's a fact that sometimes a thing you think OP is just because you have not enough experience for those characters.)

 

[OMEGASCRUFF]

Call this overpowered or whatever you want, and keep comparing characters to Maxwell if it makes you feel better, but this... Is this fun? Does this really look like fun gameplay to anybody?

I dunno, man. I think we need less characters that don't engage enough in combat. There's already too many.

[Steorra]

3 minutes ago, OMEGASCRUFF said:

There's already too many.

Nerf them first, or it would be unfair

[Tranoze]

33 minutes ago, cropo said:

That is the most asinine and pointless endeavor to embark on imagineable.

Carry extra bernies is already a legit strat. Willow players have been using it, im just giving the limit on what willow can do. All of them only cost the original crafting materials once, after that, the cost is just one use of sewing kits.
The cost of 2000 hp planar ally that constantly deal damage to bosses is just 1 use of sewing kit. 

Being gesatl abi remove her ability to deal aoe damage for her daily farms, so she should be that much to fight bosses.

 

You know what else can solo bosses? Spitter spider on a boat.

[Steorra]

8 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Carry extra bernies is already a legit strat. Willow players have been using it, im just giving the limit on what willow can do. All of them only cost the original crafting materials once, after that, the cost is just one use of sewing kits.
The cost of 2000 hp planar ally that constantly deal damage to bosses is just 1 use of sewing kit. 

Being gesatl abi remove her ability to deal aoe damage for her daily farms, so she should be that much to fight bosses.

 

You know what else can solo bosses? Spitter spider on a boat.

Oh, "webber is OP" is coming : P

[Mike23Ua]

49 minutes ago, arubaro said:

I wanna see you farming fuel during a boss fight

You only need elixirs for max power and became cheap

Max needs to stop to refuel

Again, comparing wendy with the most broken character just shows how imba she become

I personally blame the “we demand Wendy must become stronger, we own you, you must obey our commands” crowd.

But personally I just wanted her to have some fun “Out of Combat” things she could do, I feel like now though she’s became overkill.

[OMEGASCRUFF]

10 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Nerf them first, or it would be unfair

I wasn't talking about power; there's nothing to nerf. It's got nothing to do with that. I just want to see Wendy be fun and engaging, and I don't think this kind of gameplay helps that manifest. I'm getting concerned that it's rapidly becoming too late in the beta to reconsider some of the poor design choices that have been made (and not even just for Wendy, either, but I'd prefer to stay on topic here.)

[Steorra]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

personally I just wanted her to have some fun “Out of Combat” things she could do

agree with this, let us wait and see what klei would give to us about Mourning Glory and Graves

[arubaro]

15 bernies, using max as justification, suggesting to nerf bosses despite all this powercreep.... what is going on in this topic??

[Tranoze]

1 hour ago, cropo said:

the 400 damage is what should be looked at.

Oh i forgot to mention something. Gesatl abi deal x10 abi's damage, so to have 400 damage you have to either be at cave or fight at night. If night end your damage goes back to 150, which is clearly much less than 400.
In the video Pickle used nightshade potions on all the fight so abi damage stay at 400. If you use heal she will lose the 400 damage and you will have to waste another potions to increase her damage back up.

[ShadowDuelist]

Honest question, is this what the Wendy fans that have been complaining for days want?

[usagiP]

13 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

But personally I just wanted her to have some fun “Out of Combat” things she could do

Agreed! I really want to give Wendy some interesting skills！

(((PS:I often avoid fighting bosses in games, but I know there are players who are different from me and face bosses head-on.

So~I won't oppose their request to adjust Wendy's combat abilities~:3

[Tranoze]

5 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Honest question, is this what the Wendy fans that have been complaining for days want?

This is what we want:

Current skill tree is just an temporary update/fix to existing issues with previous skill tree. Which is nothing much.

[Jakepeng99]

Nerf nerf nerf

4 hours ago, Steorra said:

I still won't use this. 

This is more like an easy cheating for casual players... Then if they want this they have to sacrifice abi AOE ability, which is same important for casual players.

 

I think this may be the balancing point. (if you think abi 0 day AOE is strong for casual players, then to use gestalt abi would cause a great sacrifice.)

Id sacrafice auto killing spiders and bees for auto killing raid bosses any day. Wont you?

[Steorra]

20 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Nerf nerf nerf

Id sacrafice auto killing spiders and bees for auto killing raid bosses any day. Wont you?

I won't. because most bosses is ez and no need to auto-kill.

If I want to auto-kill some bosses, I would go exchange to Winona to do that. Then even I switch back to Wendy I could still use Winona things for auto bosses killing.

Far better than stupid gestalt abi afk.

[Sikers]

Her DMG is okay, on average 60% DMG increase in exchange for AoE is fair, but she's too good at dodginga and imo should rely more on skillful use of commands instead

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Sikers said:

Her DMG is okay, on average 60% DMG increase in exchange for AoE is fair, but she's too good at dodginga and imo should rely more on skillful use of commands instead

I prefer to make abi stop dodging but have same damage cap mechanism like what Maxwell shadow minions have.

[Mysterious box]

2 hours ago, Tranoze said:

That sound more like how Berny fight

Bernie does 50 damage per hit and quite slowly at that he's meant to be a tank not a boss killer and he doesn't even try to dodge high damage bosses will shred him if you try what happened in these vids and you'd probably run out of kits before he did any meaningful damage.

12 minutes ago, Sikers said:

Her DMG is okay, on average 60% DMG increase in exchange for AoE is fair, but she's too good at dodginga and imo should rely more on skillful use of commands instead

I agree the damage doesn't seem unfair when you consider she's only attacking every so often just her a.i. is too good atm.

[kroban]

4 hours ago, QuitePositiveGC said:

Are ya'll impressed by this? These kills are really slow. kekw

Its slow because only Abigail is hitting, if you put Wendy + Ornery + vex (which is how all wendy players would fight) the chunky 52k hp Toadstool wouldnt last more than 3 minutes. Its ridiculous, like atleast the disadvantage on Gestalt Abi was that you lost some duration on the vex, now it last for longer...

[Tranoze]

11 minutes ago, kroban said:

Its slow because only Abigail is hitting, if you put Wendy + Ornery + vex (which is how all wendy players would fight) the chunky 52k hp Toadstool wouldnt last more than 3 minutes. Its ridiculous, like atleast the disadvantage on Gestalt Abi was that you lost some duration on the vex, now it last for longer...

Mathematically correct in term of dps, but, previous abi (abi without skill tree) dps already the same but not better.

Your theorical dps only work if you abuse bug that make abi stun toad and you dont have to dodge a single hit from toad. If you actually dodge, fight toad without cheese/bugs, miss alignment happen when abi havent apply vex yet, or abi wont get in range to attack toad, plus time needed to run around drop shroom.
Still will take a day for wendy to kill toad normally.

[NINA1917]

1 hour ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Honest question, is this what the Wendy fans that have been complaining for days want?

No, this is pretty much only for new players. I need to operate combat mechanics that are directly related to rewards

[kroban]

19 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Mathematically correct in term of dps, but, previous abi (abi without skill tree) dps already the same but not better.

Your theorical dps only work if you abuse bug that make abi stun toad and you dont have to dodge a single hit from toad. If you actually dodge, fight toad without cheese/bugs, miss alignment happen when abi havent apply vex yet, or abi wont get in range to attack toad, plus time needed to run around drop shroom.

You are doing too much mental gimnastics to justify something that is clearly OP. Like come on, atleast Maxwell or Wolfgang players admit that they are playing OP characters, I have seen Wolfgang players laugh at landing 1000 damage hits with volt goat jelly on a wet Celestial Champion, because they know they are breaking the game in half with that **** lmao.

No, my "theorical dps" is just a normal fight of Wendy actually putting an effort rather than just staying afk, Toadstool was just an example based on its HP, 52k wouldnt last these 8 minutes, and that says a lot about the rest of the bosses that have way, WAY less HP than the froggie.

19 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Still will take a day for wendy to kill toad normally.

No it wont, are you really saying that Gestalt Abigail alone would take the exact same time as Gestalt Abigail + vex + Wendy? Even if Wendy were to fight with a fkin spear, by logic it will take less