Gestalt Abigail solos Toadstool, Armored Bearger, Dragonfly and much more!

[Picklesaurus]

 

Wendy doesn't like getting her hands dirty, Gestalt Abigail supremacy 

[Peasant]

I feel there would be people screaming "NERF!" here in no time…

Though I cant say I'm all that against them this time…

[Steorra]

I still won't use this. 

This is more like an easy cheating for casual players... Then if they want this they have to sacrifice abi AOE ability, which is same important for casual players.

 

I think this may be the balancing point. (if you think abi 0 day AOE is strong for casual players, then to use gestalt abi would cause a great sacrifice.)

[Koomin]

Yea this is a bit much.   There seems to be a consensus that Maxwell is overturned as a summoner and even he has to do something and not just stand there afk and watch.  These are supposed to be the new endgame postrift bosses and are looking like a bit of a joke now. 

[QuitePositiveGC]

Are ya'll impressed by this? These kills are really slow. kekw

[Ridepod]

Judging by the dfly kill, if it actually managed to hold agro on Abigail for longer than a second, she would melt like butter

[WenericMember]

Since Lunar Abi tries to stay at a safe range, I'd say giver her a shorter attention span - If Wendy hasn't attacked a giant in a short period of time, Abigail loses interest.

Her damage could also be toned back slightly.

[Tranoze]

44 minutes ago, Koomin said:

stand there afk and watch. 

Wait you think wendy are just there afk and watch? So you missed the part she use escape command on abi at the right moment then.

[Mike23Ua]

Yeah… this breaks the entire original design concept of Wendy  

But dev logic is in order to get it is you have to kill a bunch of other bosses first so it’s allowed to be that broken.

But that’s not exactly true… you only need to be in a server with and help someone kill the two respective bosses and then these abilities are unlocked permanently and forever across every play session you start.

Plz Nerf. <3

[Koomin]

9 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Wait you think wendy are just there afk and watch? So you missed the part she use escape command on abi at the right moment then.

Yes clicking the escape command sometimes being the "difficulty" to defeat postrift bosses and raidbosses is ridiculous. 

[Tranoze]

3 minutes ago, Koomin said:

Yes clicking the escape command sometimes being the "difficulty" to defeat postrift bosses and raidbosses is ridiculous. 

probably more difficult than maxwell who just summon duelist and cage and literally can solo every single boss, especially after bone helm. And maxwell dont even have skill tree yet.
If wendy decide to use abigail 1 v 1 boss, she will have to spend time use command to abigail. If she fight along with abi, she wont be able to sooth/escape command on abi. What ever you choose, it still require user input.

Bernie can already do the same with few sewing kit. That is true afk and watch.

[Steorra]

3 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

probably more difficult than maxwell who just summon duelist and cage and literally can solo every single boss, especially after bone helm. And maxwell dont even have skill tree yet.
If wendy decide to use abigail 1 v 1 boss, she will have to spend time use command to abigail. If she fight along with abi, she wont be able to sooth/escape command on abi. What ever you choose, it still require user input.

Bernie can already do the same with few sewing kit. That is true afk and watch.

It's more like some ppls used to play Maxwell but not sure how to play Wendy in endgame, and for these ppls they think Maxwell is "skill needed" but Wendy is "OP and braindead"

To let gestalt abi to solo endgame bosses is just "seems like" impactful but just like they said: it is slow.

1 hour ago, QuitePositiveGC said:

Are ya'll impressed by this? These kills are really slow. kekw

I have to say only for those who can't manage abi with Wendy for fight together, Gestalt abi would be OP.

If someone has ability to fight a boss with Abi and themselves why they have to just stand and waste 200% time to wait a boss die?

[Koomin]

6 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

probably more difficult than maxwell who just summon duelist and cage and literally can solo every single boss, especially after bone helm. And maxwell dont even have skill tree yet.
If wendy decide to use abigail 1 v 1 boss, she will have to spend time use command to abigail. If she fight along with abi, she wont be able to sooth/escape command on abi. What ever you choose, it still require user input.

Bernie can already do the same with few sewing kit. That is true afk and watch.

"Requiring user input" being the bar for something being not overpowered is a very odd opinion.  This is clearly too strong, and pretty obviously so.  I've said my piece here though, and hopefully it is taken into account in the final release.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Koomin said:

"Requiring user input" being the bar for something being not overpowered is a very odd opinion.  This is clearly too strong, and pretty obviously so.  I've said my piece here though, and hopefully it is taken into account in the final release.

whatever if gestalt abi is OP or not, there's one thing I want to make clear - before Maxwell who have no skill tree get nerfed, all skill treed characters who are not stronger as Maxwell level should not get more nerf.

[cropo]

You gotta remember that an actual fight is going to involve more than just AFKing with Abigail. So if you think this is fine, just remember that this is like the bare minimum of effort and aiding Abigail at all in any way is going to drastically improve the performance of these videos.

[Steorra]

1 minute ago, cropo said:

You gotta remember that an actual fight is going to involve more than just AFKing with Abigail. So if you think this is fine, just remember that this is like the bare minimum of effort and aiding Abigail at all in any way is going to drastically improve the performance of these videos.

fighting boss with Abi together is not a "everyone could do" thing tbh.

Also maybe fight these bosses with gestalt abi is not faster than pre-skill tree?

At least before the newest beta, someone has test that gestalt abi brings no DPS bonus than original one when you fight with Abi together.

[cropo]

7 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Also maybe fight these bosses with gestalt abi is not faster than pre-skill tree?

I don't really measure it based on Time to Kill or DPS. What I see as problematic in this fight is that a player is standing there and barely doing anything other than I-framing Abigail for certain attacks while an NPC takes down some late-game bosses. You could play as Wolfgang and do 2x damage and have more "dps" but what sets Wendy apart from others is that she just plops Abigail down, does some basic maintenence on her throughout the fight, and has free contributing damage that takes care of itself and mostly heals itself. 

It's always been about that sense of "free stuff" Wendy gets. I could put a lot of effort into Wanda and learn to not get hit at all, keep her an inch from death and reap the benefits of the super godly clock whip but I'm just not good enough nor willing to learn how to fight bosses without getting hit once so Wanda is not an option for me in terms of max DPS. With Wendy though? I just have to play normally, and a constant wandering spirit that bombs the boss for 400 damage a pop and knows how to dodge most attacks(I can easily help her with the undodgeable ones) with barely any input on my end.

I can endlessly kite bosses, keep Abigail slightly in my mind as I make her dodge attacks, and they'll just die. I don't need better DPS because I'd have a companion that will flat out win with a fraction of the skill required. Maybe I just have an easier time playing defensively in games but this looks far far easier than fighting them legit even with Wolfgang.

I think it's a littleeeee bit overpowered. The survivability is great, the 400 damage is what should be looked at.

[arubaro]

41 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

probably more difficult than maxwell who just summon duelist and cage and literally can solo every single boss, especially after bone helm. And maxwell dont even have skill tree yet.
If wendy decide to use abigail 1 v 1 boss, she will have to spend time use command to abigail. If she fight along with abi, she wont be able to sooth/escape command on abi. What ever you choose, it still require user input.

Bernie can already do the same with few sewing kit. That is true afk and watch.

Except maxwell is using fuel, losing sanity and the duelist have a timer

Maxwell is op but you are defending such dumb thing by ignoring his costs and skill required which i don't see with wendy

27 minutes ago, Koomin said:

"Requiring user input" being the bar for something being not overpowered is a very odd opinion.  This is clearly too strong, and pretty obviously so.  I've said my piece here though, and hopefully it is taken into account in the final release.

Well, is wendy so needing imput seems like an odd thing apparently 

[Steorra]

6 minutes ago, cropo said:

I don't really measure it based on Time to Kill or DPS. What I see as problematic in this fight is that a player is standing there and barely doing anything other than I-framing Abigail for certain attacks while an NPC takes down some late-game bosses. You could play as Wolfgang and do 2x damage and have more "dps" but what sets Wendy apart from others is that she just plops Abigail down, does some basic maintenence on her throughout the fight, and has free contributing damage that takes care of itself and mostly heals itself. 

It's always been about that sense of "free stuff" Wendy gets. I could put a lot of effort into Wanda and learn to not get hit at all, keep her an inch from death and reap the benefits of the super godly clock whip but I'm just not good enough nor willing to learn how to fight bosses without getting hit once so Wanda is not an option for me in terms of max DPS. With Wendy though? I just have to play normally, and a constant wandering spirit that bombs the boss for 400 damage a pop and knows how to dodge most attacks(I can easily help her with the undodgeable ones) with barely any input on my end.

I can endlessly kite bosses, keep Abigail slightly in my mind as I make her dodge attacks, and they'll just die. I don't need better DPS because I'd have a companion that will flat out win with a fraction of the skill required. Maybe I just have an easier time playing defensively in games but this looks far far easier than fighting them legit even with Wolfgang.

I think it's a littleeeee bit overpowered. The survivability is great, the 400 damage is what should be looked at.

the things you said seems work for Maxwell as well.

I'm not really care about gestalt abi since I won't use that - It has lower boss killing efficiency than shadow one (only need shadow sisterhood II).

but there's a thing I just wonder, even Wendy and Maxwell has real ability to "free farm but wasting more time", why ppls would be so much care about this?

As I think DST is a video game, which when there have more accessibility options would be more good for those who can hardly to enjoy the game. Wendy seems one option like this. When ppl have high enough skills those accessibility options won't break the balance for them. Why it does matter?

[Tranoze]

14 minutes ago, cropo said:

standing there and barely doing anything other than I-framing Abigail for certain attacks

Dude you overestimated bosses.  Press F was never, and should never be the only way to defeat bosses.
Let bosses fight bosses is very easy way to kill them for example.

14 minutes ago, cropo said:

the 400 damage is what should be looked at.

True, it could be 200ish planar damage instead 400 flat. The 400 damage will be reduced a lot vs planar mob while being too OP vs pre-rift bosses.

14 minutes ago, cropo said:

 she just plops Abigail down, does some basic maintenence on her throughout the fight

That sound more like how Berny fight.

8 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Except maxwell is using fuel, losing sanity and the duelist have a timer 

Wendy lost hunger. For fighting this slow-ass way. And maxwell losing sanity is just a way for him to farm more fuels.

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Except maxwell is using fuel, losing sanity and the duelist have a timer

Maxwell is op but you are defending such dumb thing by ignoring his costs and skill required which i don't see with wendy

I don't think fuel is more expensive than elixirs tbh. especially when game goes into post-rift part, ick is a much cheap fuel source than abi's elixirs.

same reason, the timer is just about "summon and unsummon" in endgame, not about "cost".

[cropo]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

the things you said seems work for Maxwell as well.

And who among you, proverbial people of the court, thinks Maxwell ISN'T op? I think we all agree Maxwell is incredibly overpowered, so to compare this new Wendy to Maxwell feels like you're just emphasizing my point.

[Steorra]

Just now, cropo said:

And who among you, proverbial people of the court, thinks Maxwell ISN'T op? I think we all agree Maxwell is incredibly overpowered, so to compare this new Wendy to Maxwell feels like you're just emphasizing my point.

whatever if gestalt abi is OP or not, there's one thing I want to make clear - before Maxwell who have no skill tree get nerfed, all skill treed characters who are not stronger as Maxwell level should not get more nerf.

 

maybe I have to paste this for you.

Or also to add Winona and Wurt as well?

 

[arubaro]

6 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Wendy lost hunger. For fighting this slow-ass way. And maxwell losing sanity is just a way for him to farm more fuels.

I wanna see you farming fuel during a boss fight

5 minutes ago, Steorra said:

don't think fuel is more expensive than elixirs tbh. especially when game goes into post-rift part, ick is a much cheap fuel source than abi's elixirs.

same reason, the timer is just about "summon and unsummon" in endgame, not about "cost".

You only need elixirs for max power and became cheap

Max needs to stop to refuel

Again, comparing wendy with the most broken character just shows how imba she become

[cropo]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

before Maxwell who have no skill tree get nerfed, all skill treed characters who are not stronger as Maxwell level should not get more nerf.

I'd say Maxwell could definitely use some nerfs, and that his example should not be followed.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

That sound more like how Berny fight.

Bernie is able to last a few extra seconds in tough fights thanks to getting planar protection with affinity but there is a lot of complications about Bernie that make him a slight distraction at best. Bernie also doesn't sew himself back together unless he is currently out and active, and he is only out and active when shadow creatures are eligible to attack him. In order for him to passively heal as Abigail does, one would have to continuously run away from shadow creatures to get Bernie to follow you. Other than that, you have to use sewing kits to repair Bernie, a cheap but not insignificant investment of inventory space. Bernie is not going to solo bosses for you.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Wendy lost hunger. For fighting this slow-ass way. And maxwell losing sanity is just a way for him to farm more fuels.

A Wendy player who has unlocked their alignments(we need to assume they did this naturally) is already at a stage of knowledge that would prevent them from ever having issues with starvation.