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[Evelo]

I'm not seeing much hate, outside of a few individuals. I had to go back and look at some posts when Wormwood was getting his skillset and remind myself that people are passionate and want what's best for their favorite character much like me, @HowlVoid, @Ohan, (those are the two that I remembered off the top of the dome) and many many many more that were very vocal much to many fourmites' dismay.

I want what's best for Wendy too, and Walter, and Wortox. Because of how important these characters are to people, it matters what people are upset by. Even while I disagree with many aspects of people's disappointment, I want the most amount of people to be happy. I think the current iteration of Wendy's skillset is great and needs no change aside from the armor. However based on the vast amount of feedback I am clearly wrong.

I genuinely hope that Wendy can get to a point that people are content. I still have some issues with Wormwood's skillset but I am content with what we have. Contentment is much better than disappointment or resentment.

[Mike23Ua]

2 hours ago, Fitzee said:

The chances of them nerfing a character at base just to give the power back in the skilltree is unlikely, even it would make sense; it'll just cause another outcry, though probably not to the extent of this beta. 

However, Wortox's naughty/nice inclinations have proven that they're willing to introduce downsides when you invest enough into a skilltree, so it's possible that same route could be taken for Maxwell; it would also fit the shadows' theme of "gaining more power at a price".

They actually have Nerfed previous characters base kits and given that power back to them in skill trees before lmao.

Wolfgangs Speed Boost would probably be the most well known one.

I was HOPING they would’ve restored the Longer Cooldown time waiting for Abigail’s Flower to Bloom but allowed Skill points to, should the player choose to invest: Restore it back to normal again.

Which for people like myself who actually MISS the downtime without Abby, I could opt to not invest skill points into getting that power back, and instead invest my points elsewhere (likely on cool new toys and abilities)

I did not invest a skill point into Wolfgang’s Speeeeeeddddd because Skill trees are meant to give the player the power of choice over what they can & can’t live without investing in.

Wormwoods the same way, I care nothing about his ability to craft certain decorative bushes or the Poop Syrup but I’d gladly take those new combat perks.

[Szczuku]

I say the devs are just reaping what they've sown

Should've never started skill trees 

I wonder if the devs have come to regret that yet

[Mike23Ua]

2 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

That is an incorrect example. 

They removed Mighty Wolfgang's movement speed in his REFRESH. Since then, Mighty Wolfgang PRE-SKILLTREE had no movement speed, and still doesn't. Then, POST-SKILLTREE, you have the option to give him movement speed again, but only for his normal form.

What you said would have been correct if Normal Wolfgang had movement speed from the start, it was removed from base-kit when his skilltree was introduced, and you only got it back if you invested a skill or two for it; but alas, that is not the case.

So yes, a character's abilities has yet to be stripped from them to then cost skill points to get back.

Oh really? I bet Maxwells ability to read all of Wickerbottoms books will then.

[Paxtonnnn]

3 hours ago, Szczuku said:

I say the devs are just reaping what they've sown

Should've never started skill trees 

It’s a really immature mindset to think the devs deserve people rushing into the forums to insult them without providing any constructive criticism just because you don’t like the direction the game is going, especially coming from someone who has ‘left’ the forums before after being called out on their attitude

[cyjs]

17 minutes ago, Paxtonnnn said:

仅仅因为你不喜欢游戏的发展方向，就认为开发者应该让人们冲进论坛侮辱他们而不提供任何建设性的批评，这是一种非常不成熟的心态，尤其是来自那些之前已经“离开”论坛的人因他们的态度而受到批评

First of all, we put forward a lot of constructive suggestions. Unfortunately, some gentlemen just can’t see them. You can see them everywhere, in the entire forum.

[Reiko24]

1 minute ago, cyjs said:

First of all, we put forward a lot of constructive suggestions. Unfortunately, some gentlemen just can’t see them. You can see them everywhere, in the entire forum.

Constructive suggestions do not make you not responsible for hate

Writing some suggestions and some hate is still negative.

[cyjs]

9 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

建设性的建议并不会让你不为仇恨负责

写一些建议和一些仇恨仍然是负面的。

I have a different perspective on hate than you do. First of all, we don't hate the game, we just want to make it better. Otherwise we wouldn't be here

We also don’t think negative information is a bad thing. Sometimes developers need a louder voice to hold them accountable for their actions.

 

[Peasant]

5 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

Constructive suggestions do not make you not responsible for hate

Writing some suggestions and some hate is still negative.

First you said that "chinese giving no constructive suggestions, only brings hate", now you say that "though the chinese made constructive suggestions, they are still responsible for the hate". So what do you want? You said we dont produce constructive suggestion and that's not good, ok, we agree, we made constructive suggestions, and now? Still regarded as bad guys? Then what should we do? Rush to the houses where the posters of negative posts live and hang them? How about you give a solution that can make all happy?

7 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

Constructive suggestions do not make you not responsible for hate

Writing some suggestions and some hate is still negative.

And I dont even want to mention the mistake that you looks fail to correct every time. SOME of the chinese players posted negative contents, OTHERS DIDN'T, and you here choose to BLAME someone who DIDN'T post any negative contents rather than those who ACTUALLY DID, How just is that!

[Reiko24]

5 minutes ago, YXukun said:

First you said that "chinese giving no constructive suggestions, only brings hate", now you say that "though the chinese made constructive suggestions, they are still responsible for the hate". So what do you want? You said we dont produce constructive suggestion and that's not good, ok, we agree, we made constructive suggestions, and now? Still regarded as bad guys? Then what should we do? Rush to the houses where the posters of negative posts live and hang them? How about you give a solution that can make all happy?

And I dont even want to mention the mistake that you looks fail to correct every time. SOME of the chinese players posted negative contents, OTHERS DIDN'T, and you here choose to BLAME someone who DIDN'T post any negative contents rather than those who ACTUALLY DID, How just is that!

Suuuure bro, I have never said you don't give any suggestions.

Live in your victimhood bubble. 

[Crimson Hollow]

All I would ask for is a filter option. I would gladly filter out all wendy related threads for the time being.

I'm only here for Walter and his skill tree anyways.

[Peasant]

3 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

Suuuure bro, I have never said you don't give any suggestions.

Live in your victimhood bubble. 

It's a plural you, just like the 'you' you used blaming someone who NEVER posted anything about hate for negative contents posted by others.

[Szczuku]

1 hour ago, Paxtonnnn said:

It’s a really immature mindset to think the devs deserve people rushing into the forums to insult them without providing any constructive criticism just because you don’t like the direction the game is going, especially coming from someone who has ‘left’ the forums before after being called out on their attitude

Oh, I'm sorry, did someone on Klei team really think that this wouldn't be happening when they decided to start making controversial changes for the game. Did the devs really think that there would be a big, sparkly rainbow over the forums after they decided to rework characters, once again, after many people were openly talking in 2022/2023 that they are tired of character updates. And since Wendy is apparently a fan-favourite over in China, which I'm sure is available in some statistics that devs check monthly, then they were also expecting that forums would turn into this as soon as the beta launches.

Like I said, these are just the consequences, which the devs were most likely expecting anyways.

[Peasant]

7 minutes ago, Szczuku said:

which the devs were most likely expecting anyways.

I kinda doubt that if anyone is actually expecting this

[Y0sH]

Considering that Wendy is the MOST played character globally by a huge chunk I'm pretty sure they expected some pushback when it came to her skilltree. However, they are people first and don't deserve the insults and entitlement they've received that has come with this Beta.

The silver lining with this though is that this is probably the biggest pushback they'll receive character wise so once it's over they can relax and enjoy their holidays.

[Dingle]

5 hours ago, Crimson Hollow said:

All I would ask for is a filter option. I would gladly filter out all wendy related threads for the time being.

I'm only here for Walter and his skill tree anyways.

I mostly just want a filter for the "Well, Wendy isn't THAT strong! Prove to me that she is, in fact, 'strong'!" threads. Those are obnoxious.

Otherwise, I understand the motivations from Wendy players.

[gaymime]

13 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Considering that Wendy is the MOST played character globally by a huge chunk I'm pretty sure they expected some pushback when it came to her skilltree. However, they are people first and don't deserve the insults and entitlement they've received that has come with this Beta.

The silver lining with this though is that this is probably the biggest pushback they'll receive character wise so once it's over they can't relax and enjoy their holidays.

i feel super lucky that my three favourites are wes, wortox and walter. walter is missing a lot of the rudeness and ire he would have otherwise gotten because wendy is a huge target right now for all of the scorn people have over skilltrees and wortox is not widely played so he is being treated fairly normally by people and wes has like me and 5 other guys who play him so he will get a maxwell memes post or two and be otherwise ignored when his time comes. i don't envy wendy players right now who are lurking quietly in the forums and watching a small revolt happen over her skillset and i imagine other contentious characters like warly and wanda are going to also start fires(though none as big as this i am sure) when their time comes

[Dingle]

1 minute ago, gaymime said:

i feel super lucky that my three favourites are wes, wortox and walter. walter is missing a lot of the rudeness and ire he would have otherwise gotten because wendy is a huge target right now for all of the scorn people have over skilltrees and wortox is not widely played so he is being treated fairly normally by people and wes has like me and 5 other guys who play him so he will get a maxwell memes post or two and be otherwise ignored when his time comes. i don't envy wendy players right now who are lurking quietly in the forums and watching a small revolt happen over her skillset and i imagine other contentious characters like warly and wanda are going to also start fires(though none as big as this i am sure) when their time comes

I get the feeling the forum really hates Wanda. I figure whatever she gets for perks, however meager, it will be threads of non-wanda players calling for nerfs out of spite.

[Y0sH]

2 minutes ago, gaymime said:

i feel super lucky that my three favorites are wes, wortox and walter. walter is missing a lot of the rudeness and ire he would have otherwise gotten because wendy is a huge target right now for all of the scorn people have over skilltrees and wortox is not widely played so he is being treated fairly normally by people and wes has like me and 5 other guys who play him so he will get a maxwell memes post or two and be otherwise ignored when his time comes. i don't envy wendy players right now who are lurking quietly in the forums and watching a small revolt happen over her skillset and i imagine other contentious characters like warly and wanda are going to also start fires(though none as big as this i am sure ) when their time comes

My two Mains are Wortox and Wanda. So far Wortox is going pretty smoothly just a few things might need to be ironed out. As for Wanda I'm almost certain they'll just add a few things that just make her already strong kit have a little planar perks and that's all.

I'm definitely happy that I belong to the small groups of people that play my mains so it's less likely not gunna start a revolution over a skilltree lol.

4 minutes ago, Dingle said:

I get the feeling the forum really hates Wanda. I figure whatever she gets for perks, however meager, it will be threads of non-wanda players calling for nerfs out of spite.

They do it now. Anytime when they're character isn't an OP 1hit kill machine they bring up Wanda for comparison. It's annoying lol.

[gaymime]

8 minutes ago, Dingle said:

I get the feeling the forum really hates Wanda. I figure whatever she gets for perks, however meager, it will be threads of non-wanda players calling for nerfs out of spite.

yeah but golly does twitch adore wanda. she is well loved by the people who spend all their time playing and none of their time in forums X''D

 

5 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

My two Mains are Wortox and Wanda. So far Wortox is going pretty smoothly just a few things might need to be ironed out. As for Wanda I'm almost certain they'll just add a few things that just make her already strong kit have a little planar perks and that's all.

I'm definitely happy that I belong to the small groups of people that play my mains so it's less likely not gunna start a revolution over a skilltree lol.

They do it now. Anytime when they're character isn't an OP 1hit kill machine they bring up Wanda for comparison. It's annoying lol.

funny my mains are wes and maxwell. when maxwell's skilltree came out he usurped poor wortox simply because i was already struggling with accidental teleporting and i am a simp for spellcasting classes of all stripes. i was actually waiting patiently for wortox's update to see if i wanted to switch back. honestly (for a few hours at least) i was excited to see him AND walter were both getting theirs this go around but now i am just grateful they aren't getting pilloried and hoping klei will be able to see what people are hoping to get for/from them before the beta finishes

[Y0sH]

8 minutes ago, gaymime said:

Funny my mains are wes and maxwell. when maxwell's skilltree came out he usurped poor wortox simply because i was already struggling with accidental teleporting and i am a simp for spellcasting classes of all stripes. i was actually waiting patiently for wortox's update to see if i wanted to switch back. honestly (for a few hours at least) i was excited to see him AND walter were both getting theirs this go around but now i am just grateful they aren't getting pilloried and hoping klei will be able to see what people are hoping to get for/from them before the beta finishes

Oddly enough, I REALLY want them to lean into the meme but secretly strong niche route for Wes's skilltree. Like a skill that increases his Aggro with all mobs, and a balloon weapon with super high damage and cost but 1 use lol. The Day Maxwell tree gets released there will either be chaos or happiness, I doubt it'll be anything in-between.

[mima_]

2 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

I REALLY want them to lean into the meme but secretly strong niche route for Wes's skilltree

make wes able to make floaties from balloon but it will pop at rng timer and u cant equip new one so you will drown if tried to swim too long or trying to cross the ocean lol (OOT) forgive me

but u can cross small gap so its strong right

[Y0sH]

9 minutes ago, mima_ said:

make wes able to make floaties from balloon but it will pop at rng timer and u cant equip new one so you will drown if tried to swim too long or trying to cross the ocean lol (OOT) forgive me

but u can cross small gap so its strong right

This would be perfect because it can be strong (make the gap larger than what Winona can bridge across) but on the other hand it's extremely niche in its strength and comes with a huge downside lol.

[gaymime]

12 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Oddly enough, I REALLY want them to lean into the meme but secretly strong niche route for Wes's skilltree. Like a skill that increases his Aggro with all mobs, and a balloon weapon with super high damage and cost but 1 use lol. The Day Maxwell tree gets released there will either be chaos or happiness, I doubt it'll be anything in-between.

dude, i was so disappointed that his aggro was super tiny and only for hounds. i might be a masochist but i love the idea of having a designated bait character for that kind of thing and it would suit his lore if he was the one to get it(also i actually am fond of running circles to aggro hounds then lead them into a mob that is hostile to hounds for the free loot)

also i am dumb, i said "maxwell's skilltree" i meant maxwell's rework! you can definitely tell i have been up for a full entire day with only gingerale and insomnia as my friends x''D

[Y0sH]

4 minutes ago, gaymime said:

dude, i was so disappointed that his aggro was super tiny and only for hounds. i might be a masochist but i love the idea of having a designated bait character for that kind of thing and it would suit his lore if he was the one to get it(also i actually am fond of running circles to aggro hounds then lead them into a mob that is hostile to hounds for the free loot)

I hope they word his skilltree as:

Annoying I and Annoying II

" The Mime Attracts Hostile Mobs not because he's noisy but because seeing him invokes irritation to creatures of the constant." Lol