[Game Update] - 643115

[arubaro]

Just now, Soul7k said:

sounds like an unintended side effect when it was supposed to be shared damage, not healing, but does she not already have ways to heal anyways?

Linking their hp fits more than giving abigail armor...

[Soul7k]

1 minute ago, arubaro said:

Linking their hp fits more than giving abigail armor...

that doesn't change what I said tho

[Cheggf]

1 minute ago, Soul7k said:

sounds like an unintended side effect when it was supposed to be shared damage, not healing, but does she not already have ways to heal anyways?

From both a gameplay and thematic sense their health pools being linked together is way better than exclusively transferring damage over and not healing. 

5 minutes ago, Soul7k said:

I don't get it. unless you are actively facetanking Abigail in general should expire way before you got the benefit of sharing damage with her thus rendering the skill moot. unless you are facetanking which you probably shouldn't be since bosses do aoe and are gonna hit you both which would then result in her dying twice as fast.

You had so much freedom with the old armor. Because healing was linked and Abigail was healed with potions, you now share the same healthbar which can be refilled by both things that heal Wendy (food, items, weapons) and things that heal Abigail (potions), greatly enhancing durability of the both of you. You could use it to protect yourself and mitigate the damage to Abigail. You could use it to increase the healing that Abigail is able to receive. You could keep it in your inventory without actually wearing it and only put it on when you want to heal Abigail.

Now you can do none of that. There is no depth. There is no complexity. There is no choice. There is no creativity. There is no originality. There is no freedom. Now Abigail wears armor just like literally everyone else does. The armor works exactly the same as it does with everyone else. 

[arubaro]

10 minutes ago, Soul7k said:

that doesn't change what I said tho

I dont think they sharing Wendy's regeneration is a bug since you will need to code it as far as i know and, while you're right about abi having their ways of healing, the interesting thing was to also use food which is more expensive than the huge healing from the elixirs

[Digi62BR]

How long does each enemy kill buff Abigail for?
Can anyone tell me how I'm really enjoying this skill?

[Bumber64]

4 hours ago, Cheggf said:

And just like that, the mad trolls brigading this site with unconstructive spam have made the most interesting & complicated part of her skill tree completely vanish. I guess they were right about the designers not knowing what Wendy is supposed to be: a brainless character for noobs who hate thinking. She's not allowed to have depth. 

You can't really assume it would've remained in that state. Wurt's water armor got nerfed to only absorb hits rather than hunger, etc. Even if it can be reasoned to make sense for the shroud, it's not clear they'd let you just ignore all survival mechanics with a single item.

Then we'd just be stuck with an item that forces you to stand there eating health food to keep Abi alive instead of just sharing armor as you fight.

Edited November 24, 2024 by Bumber64

[thefourthprogenitor]

On 11/23/2024 at 12:24 AM, wunaoli said:

Let Abigail possess some dead animal or plant, like the Shadow Weaver, etc？

This seems like it has potential, maybe she can possess a boss and stop the next attack, and then she gets kicked out, and give it like a 30-45 second cooldown, or something like, she can possess the enemy during her gestalt form and it will make them drowsy so they're next attack will come out slower or something.

Edited November 24, 2024 by thefourthprogenitor

[Mr.Oshiro]

This is great! I like it when you share the design logic with people, which is very helpful for players to provide testing and suggestions.
Regarding the Dark PetalⅠskill: Due to the ability of ghosts to haunt flowers, and the upcoming haunted feature of Abigail, obtaining Dark Petals is very easy. Using nightmare fuel to convert petals is still a very uneconomical choice.
So I want Wendy not only to purify the petals, but also to give them vitality again, allowing players to plant them on the ground again, and freely choose the shape of the flowers from this pile of petals to meet their decorative needs. The same goes for evil flowers. If possible, I hope these flowers have a more beautiful appearance to show that this is unique to Wendy.
Players do not lack methods to obtain petals/dark petals, but they do not have the ability to choose flowers. This modification can make the skill truly useful.

[arubaro]

2 hours ago, Fitzee said:

@arubaro I made a suggestion here very early on that maybe Wendy could craft a different type of floral shroud that functions what it does currently, or Abigail could Haunt the new floral shroud to transform it into the old one; this is assuming the old floral shroud is tweaked slightly in a way that doesn't make it as busted as it is now. 

Would something like this satisfy you?

Tbh would be pointless. 1.9 without effort is stronger than needing to farm healing and paying attention

[Sapientis]

For now Wendy+Abi+Beefalo = 1.6 Wilson+Beefalo, Wendy+Abi = 1.2 Wilson, but Wendy = 0.8 Wilson.

So lowering Wendy+Abi+Beefalo damage to something more like 1.2 Wilson+Beefalo seems better.

So: Wendy on the Beefalo shouldn't have the 40% increased damage but only the usual 10%

The main reason Wendy beefalo meta is a thing is the fact that Beefalo with Wendy on top is calculated as Wendy, but when Wigfrid sits on the Beefalo it doesn't benefit from her higher damage!

 

Secondly, as Abi is the most crucial factor in fights and she dies extremely easy in some boss fights (and losing Abigail is quite meaningful for the rest of the fight and for a day or so after that), I recently came up with the idea that:

The filled Sisturn should lower Abigail's level by 1 upon reaching 0 health points and unsummon her instead of Abi completely dying.

This way level 2 Abigail can be healed and maybe assist to a lower degree in the fight, or wait some time to reach level 3 again while unsummoned

This would encourage using Sisturn before bigger fights and losing Abigail wouldn't hurt as much as it does currently.

I suggest it could be part of Blessed Sisturn skills (also yes, max health from Blessed Sisturn III is still lost upon losing level, Abigail needs to recover from that).

Edited November 24, 2024 by Sapientis

[hearing2]

The sisturn needs to be changed to be able to put different kinds of petals and items to get different buffs (Abigail/two people), Wendy can add several elixirs that need to buff herself, and Abigail's flower can be placed in the elixir carrying container to get the buff effect of the elixir inside.

[WenericMember]

"Of Course it Won't work for Abigail" - Wendy's inspection quote for the twintailed hart.

If Don't Starve ever ever ends its story, she better get Abigail back fully, because this is getting depressing.

The amount of different revives in the game, none of which work for Abigail is to the point of comedy. It might be nice if they introduce one that Works, but Abigail refuses to be revived for the time being as she can better protect Wendy as a ghost.

Edit; tbh a skill that involves giving abigail a telltale heart would be cool too.

Edited November 25, 2024 by WenericMember

[WenericMember]

1 minute ago, Fitzee said:

I did make this suggestion below, unknowing that the beta was right around the corner, so I doubt it could be implemented anywhere at this point; still, I think I'd be cool.

 

I think that would be too gameplay changing to implement behind a single skill, but I think they should do something, bc the status quo of "Revive doesn't work on abigail" is getting kinda tiring.

[Mike23Ua]

8 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

"Of Course it Won't work for Abigail" - Wendy's inspection quote for the twintailed hart.

If Don't Starve ever ever ends its story, she better get Abigail back fully, because this is getting depressing.

Alternatively the plot twist could be that Wendy herself has double or Multiple personalities and her parents (& family) just rolled along with… hence the Willam Carter letter “Have You met the *Twins* Yet?” Which would also explain how Wendy ended up being lured into the constant in the first place with promises of actually being able to play with and connect with her sister.

The new skill tree seems to bring with it some lore inconsistencies, such as Abigail being able to be Terraformed into a Gashalt Mutant by the influence of the Lunar Side… MEANWHILE Wendys Quote when using the Moon powered up Celestial Portal makes it clear she can no longer see Abigail anymore.

Soo my personal head canon is that Abigail, was a figment of Wendy’s Imagination and was turned into a real entity with Shadow Magic & Trickery.

Which May in the long run explain Charlie’s concern over Abby getting eaten by the Catcoon she off’d in one of the recentish animated shorts.

If Abigail is in indeed already considered a figment action of the constant created by Dark Magic, this explains why she has no Shadow side Transformation, she’s created via the Shadow side.

But if Klei is going to start adding Lunar Mutated Abby’s then maybe they should consider also changing Wendy’s quote for using the Lunar powered Celestial Portal?

Either way.. the game franchise has always been morbidly twisted…

(Apparently WX78’s human body is buried in the floorboards of Wilson’s shack)

So the concept while bizarre, fits the theme of this weird game.

[WenericMember]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Alternatively the plot twist could be that Wendy herself has double or Multiple personalities and her parents (& family) just rolled along with… hence the Willam Carter letter “Have You met the *Twins* Yet?” Which would also explain how Wendy ended up being lured into the constant in the first place with promises of actually being able to play with and connect with her sister.

The new skill tree seems to bring with it some lore inconsistencies, such as Abigail being able to be Terraformed into a Gashalt Mutant by the influence of the Lunar Side… MEANWHILE Wendys Quote when using the Moon powered up Celestial Portal makes it clear she can no longer see Abigail anymore.

Soo my personal head canon is that Abigail, was a figment of Wendy’s Imagination and was turned into a real entity with Shadow Magic & Trickery.

Which May in the long run explain Charlie’s concern over Abby getting eaten by the Catcoon she off’d in one of the recentish animated shorts.

If Abigail is in indeed already considered a figment action of the constant created by Dark Magic, this explains why she has no Shadow side Transformation, she’s created via the Shadow side.

But if Klei is going to start adding Lunar Mutated Abby’s then maybe they should consider also changing Wendy’s quote for using the Lunar powered Celestial Portal?

Either way.. the game franchise has always been morbidly twisted…

(Apparently WX78’s human body is buried in the floorboards of Wilson’s shack)

So the concept while bizarre, fits the theme of this weird game.

The split personality thing seems like a bit of a stretch, as wish you were here implied Abigail was a ghost prior to manifesting physically. The shadow creature theory seems more in line with what we know (although i believe its the celestial crown, not the portal with the quote). It would also line up with her shadow alignment skill. The sacrificial ritual she presumably went to the constant for provided by Maxwell/the shadows to first summon abigail, became obsolete as Wendy and Abigail's spiritual connection deepened, and now only gives Abigail short bursts of additional power. The lunar side transformation is Abigail being summoned by a different method, and thus taking a different form, like how in folklore depending how ghosts died altered how they manifested.

It is weird though because her argument with Wendy in Hide & Seek clearly shows she keeps autonomous thought unlike other shadow creatures. Was probably part of the original deal though..

But yes, I do hope now that the rifts are finally changing the status quo we can move on from "there's no found method to revive abigail" into a different rationale for preventing her revival.

As an aside, I find Wendy interesting because she's unique amongst her character archetype by being the only one I know of where her commitment to Abi isn't viewed as an unhealthy habit. Usually it's all "No you have to let go," but W&A is described as "A bond so powerful it transcends death." It's what maker her character so appealing (along with her rare moments where she gets to be happy & normal," but also makes it Jarring they refuse to give Abigail any hope of being permanently revived.

[Kondr_]

does shadow creatures still camp you while you are sleeping in tent. it is annoying for Walter because how hard it may be to get him sane again.

mb fix this or let him go to sleep at day too (via skilltree)

[Fufuji]

seriously, is Wendy transmitting damage to Abigail by wearing that flower suit out-of-character? Does Wendy herself really want to harm her sister?

[mima_]

Just now, Fufuji said:

seriously, is Wendy transmitting damage to Abigail by wearing that flower suit out-of-character? Does Wendy herself really want to harm her sister?

there is line in the post that they will change that 
this :

On 11/23/2024 at 9:44 AM, Jason said:

The Flower Shroud currently redirects Wendy's damage onto Abigail. It will change so that Abigail will benefit from Wendy's head gear armor instead. 

 

[lio516]

于 2024 年 11 月 24 日晚上 9：46，arubaro 说：

因为中国的一些菜鸟

你一定是沃尔夫冈，你说得对，但这是沃尔夫冈，两次攻击高二杀影怪，一秒杀蜘蛛，打boss只需要按住F键不松手，It's so manipulative

Edited November 25, 2024 by lio516

[Mike23Ua]

Guys what does the ability for other players to temporarily wreck havoc on the world of the living do?? This sounds like a very vague description and since  I can’t play in betas…

I do have ONE good suggestion for that, Wendy the spooky little ghost girl character who’s always connected to the supernatural.. it would be cool as heck (& also appropriately fitting of a “Team” based perk) if other players could “Haunt” a still living Wendy during this “temporarily wreck havoc” period they receive.

This will buff Wendy’s Damages by having another actual living human controlled ghost, buff her strength significantly for the few moments of its otherworldly havoc it is able to create on the living.

Giving dead ghost players the choice to do whatever they currently do.. or to directly buff the Wendy player herself (which would probably be useful in a boss fight when your teammates drop like flies around you..)

[mima_]

15 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Guys what does the ability for other players to temporarily wreck havoc on the world of the living do?? This sounds like a very vague description and since  I can’t play in betas…

it make fallen teammate ghost having this abigail attack animation for couple of seconds
which is kinda useless to be honest . doesnt really worth your points 

[WenericMember]

17 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

I can see some potential in it honestly, even solo. If you were to die and drop a life-giving amulet on the ground, but you are near mobs that can't be put to sleep, you could attempt to take them out first. Even in a team or solo setting, if you take advantage of the fact that revival methods are common, you could come up with some neat tricks or tactics. 

Still, I respect your opinion on it; heck, I haven't even used the skill myself yet.

It deals roughly 200-400 damage IIrc, based on similar time of day mechanics as abigail so if you die facing a non-boss mob, it allows you to kill it for free to a) safely revive and b) prevent your teammates from having to deal with it.

There's also probably funny cheese strats against bosses by running in,  dying, dealing 300+ damage as a ghost, reviving & repeating.

Edited November 25, 2024 by WenericMember

[Mike23Ua]

5 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

It deals roughly 200-400 damage IIrc, based on similar time of day mechanics as abigail so if you die facing a non-boss mob, it allows you to kill it for free to a) safely revive and b) prevent your teammtes from having to deal with it.

There's also probably funny cheese strats against bosses by running it,  dying, dealing 300+ damage as a ghost, reviving & repeating.

Wait… so you’re telling me if the noob Wilson who keeps dying continuously in a boss fight each time I revived him and he died again …. Dude, don’t get my hopes up for something actually useful to come from playing with newbies.  

Doesn’t the player playing as Wendy still have to be Alive to use this though?? So it would require at least running around in circles preventing the boss from killing you off in the process.

1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said:

, Also I’ve used this same tactic before while playing as Wanda, I just let noobs fight a boss, die repeatedly and I’d revive them with no costs to keep fighting…So it wouldn’t be as broken or OP for Wendy as people will cry out and make it out to be… WANDA can literally do it.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Mike23Ua

[WenericMember]

19 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wait… so you’re telling me if the noob Wilson who keeps dying continuously in a boss fight each time I revived him and he died again …. Dude, don’t get my hopes up for something actually useful to come from playing with newbies.  

Doesn’t the player playing as Wendy still have to be Alive to use this though?? So it would require at least running around in circles preventing the boss from killing you off in the process.

I've only used it in single player, but it affects Wendy too while dead (Still with the 0.75x multiplier lol, even in death she cannot escape her noodle arms), so there shouldn't be any particular reason why it shouldn't work.

 

19 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wait… so you’re telling me if the noob Wilson who keeps dying continuously in a boss fight each time I revived him and he died again …. Dude, don’t get my hopes up for something actually useful to come from playing with newbies.

 

20 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

Reminiscent of a strategy for an MMO raid boss, that's funny. 

Just checked, there is no cooldown between uses. Deals at least 300 damage, though the boss was moving so I didn't get max damage in afternoon, and should be further boosted at night/ in caves. This skill is VERY funny. Obviously not viable as a legit strat due to the frankly absurd number of revival items needed to kill things, but I wouldn't change the ability for the world.

Edited November 25, 2024 by WenericMember

[Mysterious box]

9 hours ago, Kondr_ said:

does shadow creatures still camp you while you are sleeping in tent. it is annoying for Walter because how hard it may be to get him sane again.

mb fix this or let him go to sleep at day too (via skilltree)

They fixed this some time back thankfully they'll deaggro after a bit.

 

32 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

I've only used it in single player, but it affects Wendy too while dead (Still with the 0.75x multiplier lol, even in death she cannot escape her noodle arms), so there shouldn't be any particular reason why it shouldn't work.

 

 

Just checked, there is no cooldown between uses. Deals at least 300 damage, though the boss was moving so I didn't get max damage in afternoon, and should be further boosted at night/ in caves. This skill is VERY funny. Obviously not viable as a legit strat due to the frankly absurd number of revival items needed to kill things, but I wouldn't change the ability for the world.

Yea I gotta admit I love that ghost ability it's so fun even if not too useful it reminds me of the mosquito bombs really.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Mysterious box